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[dsl08002]

i dont mind the elves of DA2 at all but bioware must decide what kind of designs they are gonna have and stick to it.

The qunaris shouldn´t be changed back because now they look better and different rather than those that were in origiin, because now you can see them as different creature rather than Several feet humans that were in origin

But back to the elves and i dont mind it, they just wanted everyone to recongnise Felica day in the upcoming dlc

[Never]

I like the new elves a lot better. The ones that they obviously spent time on look great. Of course there are the creepy looking ones, but I think that was probably just because it was rushed.

[Jellyfloater]

GodWood wrote...

The DA2 elves are one of the few changes I actually don't mind, provided they look more like Merril/Orsino/Fenris and less like .... well, all the others.


The Qunari are what need to be changed back.

No thank you. The Qunari in DA:O all looked like they were trying to smuggle cookies back to Par Vollen in their cheeks. They actually look like a distinctive race in DA2, rather than just tall humans with slightly pointy ears and chipmunk DNA.

[Satyricon331]

Zanallen wrote...
I find that people don't like Huon not because he has the new elf look but more because he has a ridiculous hairstyle and those creepy eyes. As for Merrill, her nose might be slightly more human, but other than that she displays all of the new elf characteristics. The issue between Merrill and the other elves is that the developers obviously spent more time on her. Even Orana doesn't look that bad without her horrendous make-up job. ((Though admittedly the pic that gets shown of her the most is at an incredibly unflattering angle.))

It's precisely because Huon is (conventionally) unattractive for other reasons that liking him, his sharply tapering nose and bug eyes all, is such strong evidence of liking the new DA2 elf look.  As for Merrill, I was discussing her face, and in that respect I'm not sure what characterstics you mean?  And besides, even if I agreed for specific chracteristics, the point would remain she's atypically human-looking.  I really don't think "the devs spent more time" is a good explanation in this context; if the devs took that group of three male elves you see copy-pasted everywhere and spent a lot of time improving them graphically w/o changing their artwork at all, their popularity would increase a bit but would still be nowhere near Merrill's or Fenris'.  I'm sure those three, and Huon, and Orana as you say, have their fans, but my previous post acknowleged those true believers and I'm entirely willing to accept you as one.  They, and you, weren't my target.

[Reno_Tarshil]

So you'd rather have short humans with elf ears when with the Alistar haircut make them look like Peter Pan instead of having features which differ them from other races.

No seriously, The only difference between my Human Noble and City elf in Origins was the facial hair and short pointy ears.

So, No I hope Bioware continues to refine their races to make them even more Unique.

[GodWood]

dsl08002 wrote...
The qunaris shouldn´t be changed back because now they look better and different rather than those that were in origiin, because now you can see them as different creature rather than Several feet humans that were in origin

How are elves and dwarves any different?
Elves are just slightly smaller, skinnier humans with pointy ears and dwarves are just small fat humans.

Unless you also advocate for various other animal appendages to be added to elves and dwarves too?

[The Xand]

dsl08002 wrote...

i dont mind the elves of DA2 at all but bioware must decide what kind of designs they are gonna have and stick to it.

The qunaris shouldn´t be changed back because now they look better and different rather than those that were in origiin, because now you can see them as different creature rather than Several feet humans that were in origin

But back to the elves and i dont mind it, they just wanted everyone to recongnise Felica day in the upcoming dlc

It's not that they changed the Qunari but that Sten was born without horns. Pretty sure they said that even in Dragon Age Origins, but it might just have been a DA2 retcon.

GodWood wrote...
How are elves and dwarves any different?
Elves are just slightly smaller, skinnier humans with pointy ears and dwarves are just small fat humans.

Unless you also advocate for various other animal appendages to be added to elves and dwarves too?

Elves should totally be given slit eyes and claws and the dwarves would look just adorable with a fluffy tail.

Modifié par The Xand, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:33 .

[Tainan7509]

Does anyone feel that Elves look like fish? or just me. LOL

[Ausstig]

I don't mind Merril. But every other Elf, urgh preferred the da:o ones.

[Sabotin]

I thought this was a question about design and not quality of execution?

The DA2 elves just need more work put into them. Like this for example:

dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php
dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php
dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

In my opinion beautiful faces, yet still retaining their new elven features prominently.

[Genshie]

Bioware has already stated that they won't be changing the art style a while ago and so your Origins concepts are now a distant memory. Deal with it. They may tweak here and there but that is about it. Heck the new character Tallis in the new dlc actually looks pretty decent for an elf which proves the tweaking bit but don't expect a dramatic change any time soon.

[Dragoonlordz]

Helekanalaith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nauks wrote...

I agree that they nailed the elves in DA2, clearly distinguished from humans, and a great look (according to most DA players)

What magic hat did you pull that from the bit underlined?

When someone, anyone says "most" or "majority" then everything they say after or before that is to be taken with pinch of salt. Simple fact is a huge amount of people do not like the new Elves so where you get this "most" from is mere propaganda made up by yourself.

Probably the same hat you pulled yours from?

There is a world of difference in stating that a lot or huge amount of people do not like something which in this case is true with regards to BSN where it is clear and noticeable since DA2 got released via the responses on BSN since that time, compared to claiming majority. I didn't say majority or minority just a lot of or huge amount of people (which relates to what seen on these forums and every single Elves related thread a great deal of negative responses about them in each), learn the difference.

In the end Bioware likes Donkey people with rubber baby smooth faces and lego, plastic effect hair.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:12 .

[Carmen_Willow]

phaonica wrote...

On the one hand, I liked the social statement made in DAO that elves were treated so badly even though they were basically humans with pointed ears. On the other hand, I like that you can fairly easily tell the difference between DA2 elves and almost any given elf from another game.

I like the faces of the new elves, but their stick arms and legs took some getting used to.

It's the overly large ET eyes that bother me.  Those who have more normal sized eyes look well enough. I just keep waiting for the mother ship to appear.

[Carmen_Willow]

Ausstig wrote...

I don't mind Merril. But every other Elf, urgh preferred the da:o ones.

Merril's eyes bother me. too large. Fenris' eyes do not, they are fine.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

DA:oO graphics were outdated, even for the time. it looked like KotOR. DA2 has a unique, rich environment, with unique, rich in detail characters. I personally love the look of the new elves, but even if I did not, I would argue for keeping it, simply because the characters, as they are, I would not see changed. Merrill is Merrill, and it's that character that I recognize as her, not her namesake in DA:O who looks nothing like her. Have this look, this style, as the standard of the series, to tie them together as a single entity from now on.

[Annarl]

phaonica wrote...

On the one hand, I liked the social statement made in DAO that elves were treated so badly even though they were basically humans with pointed ears. On the other hand, I like that you can fairly easily tell the difference between DA2 elves and almost any given elf from another game.

I like the faces of the new elves, but their stick arms and legs took some getting used to.

The new faces are good but the bodies are what I have a problem with, stick like legs and arms.  

[Dragoonlordz]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

DA:oO graphics were outdated, even for the time. it looked like KotOR. DA2 has a unique, rich environment, with unique, rich in detail characters.

I heavily disagree with rich detail and enviroments. I don't remember seeing any wildlife other than spiders and dogs. I can only think of bland lifeless city when think of Kirkwall where every house and warehouse looks the same all walls yellow and brown and everything is sand and stone. Outside enviroments running into plants and bouncing off them as opposed to simple being able to walk through a bunch of leaves and grass you bounce of them with again all enviroments being a disguised group of narrow corridors and pathways. The entire game felt like that, bit like corridor based shooter only missing the shooting part.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 septembre 2011 - 04:28 .

[Eollodwyn]

Zanallen wrote...

Even Orana doesn't look that bad without her horrendous make-up job. ((Though admittedly the pic that gets shown of her the most is at an incredibly unflattering angle.))

In my opinion, she's downright pretty without that hideous make-up.  Well, that and a more flattering hairstyle.

dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

[csfteeeer]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

DA:oO graphics were outdated, even for the time. it looked like KotOR. DA2 has a unique, rich environment, with unique, rich in detail characters.

yes, this look so detailed.
my body is ready for more richness!/ sarcasm

Origins was had similar amount of detail for it's enviroment and characters in it(with the usual low res texture here and there, like any other game), DA2 says "**** that" and goes for small improvements on character and envirement sdetail while sacrificing Detail for Everything else.

this just goes to show how many limitations do their ****ty outdated engine has, it can't even do real time day and night cycles.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 17 septembre 2011 - 05:39 .

[Vit246]

I do not like the DA2 elves and I never liked the Origins elves much either. What they need now is look like the dragonagenexus mods from Sabotin and a less anorexic body.

[DPSSOC]

The only elf I have a real problem with is Fenris. It's his body design, he just doesn't appear to have the muscle mass to wield the weapon he does. I don't need him to be some mountain of muscle but he's walking around carrying a blade that weighs more than he does with arms and legs that are thinner than the handle.

[AlexXIV]

I think the DA2 style of elves is ok. Seeing how SOME of the elves are actually pretty. But I hope they don't make as many ugly ones as they did in DA2. It's not the style, they were just ugly.

[Nerevar-as]

It´s the nose-forehead line what kills them to me. I noted that Merrill doesn´t really have it, and she´s considered one of the few DA2 attractive elves. Those ears also work much better in anime than in a setting where humans try to look more like in RL.

[Wozearly]

Helekanalaith wrote...

Probably the same hat you pulled yours from?

I don't agree entirely with dragoonlordz, but there has been a visible backlash against the redesigns of elves, qunari and darkspawn on these forums. We could debate back and forth all day which side may or may not be the majority, or how 'huge' each camp is, but the likely truth is going to be that there's a vocal minority which loves all the changes, a vocal minority that hates all the changes, and in the middle a large group who like some and dislike others, or really don't care all that much either way.

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

DA:oO graphics were outdated,
even for the time. it looked like KotOR. DA2 has a unique, rich
environment, with unique, rich in detail characters. I personally love
the look of the new elves, but even if I did not, I would argue for
keeping it, simply because the characters, as they are, I would not see
changed. Merrill is Merrill, and it's that character that I recognize as
her, not her namesake in DA:O who looks nothing like her. Have this
look, this style, as the standard of the series, to tie them together as
a single entity from now on.

I'm honestly struggling to see the logic here. Taking your approach to its logical conclusion, DA2 Merrill is a disaster because a fair chunk of DA:O players remember Merrill - and this odd-looking weepy Welsh woman definitely isn't her!

The logic of tying the series to a standard style would have precluded the graphic redesign between DA:O and DA2. Quite a few people made that argument against the DA2 changes. Personally, as someone who only liked the new Qunari (and sees no reason that there can't be a few more hornless ones), I'd be happy if all of the rest were sent back to the DA:O style and DA2's deviation was airbrushed away as yet another Varric exaggeration.

...doubt that'll be happening, though. :innocent: