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[Satyricon331]

tmp7704 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
It's as correct as the people who originally insisted that Merrill had giant breasts or Carver a derpy face, all from a single screenshot.

That's true, but at the same time consider that saying "Carver on this screenshot has derpy face" when he does actually have derpy face on said screenshot... is not wrong. So in the same sense, when someone says "oh a lovely DA2 elf" and out of many possible pictures presents one on which said "elf" appears very much like regular human, then pointing out this similarity is a fair observation to make, i think.

Her in-game face is considerably different from her scan-- which is as different as elves get from humans, which is not as much as some might think but it's definitely there.

That's pretty much the main point -- that not only the facial differences aren't that large to begin with, but also that the DA2 elves which tend to get mentioned as examples of "hey, the new elves can look pretty too" usually have these features relatively subdued. Speaking specifically about Felicia's character, the trailers allow to get pretty good look of her from all angles, and she looks more to me like middle ground between the regular DA2 elves and humans (face-wise) Which i personally don't mind, but when she gets immediately singled out as example of what an attractive "new elf" looks like i think it does show in a way that the 'original' DA2 redesign was largely a miss, even with (some of) people who claim to love it.

Thanks tmp7704.  Your posts have been completely correct, and it's surprising how many people keep missing this point I've bolded above.  Also, I agree with your comment about Tallis' appearance in the trailer.  Perhaps David Gaider is implying they've elvified her appearance since making the trailer?  Otherwise saying her face "is as different as elves get from humans" makes little sense.  The trailer face looks much like the face in the screenshot people have posted here.

[standardpack]

David Gaider wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...
what do you guys think?

Poor Orana. Getting rolled out as the poster child by anyone who doesn't like the new elves. Personally, I think the worst thing about her appearance is that makeup -- I mean, what's up with the pastels? Gosh.

Beyond that, while our elves may be tweaked in appearance (and, indeed, our face morphing system for all characters is likely to change as we move forward anyhow), we're definitely not going back to humans-with-pointy-ears. So, while pulling up the (1)best elven pictures from DAO and the worst elven pictures from DA2 may be an interesting exercise, it's not going to convince us to suddenly reverse course. Sorry.

I get that you guys wanted a different look between the races... but how about not sucking in their cheeks to the point that it looks like someone drained the blood from their face?  And I don't just mean Orana, I've seen this in almost half of the elves I encountered that weren't main characters or close to it.
*1:And you think DAO's Merrill is the epitome of what some of us miss in the dao elves?  My version of 'the best elven example from DAO' (in this case i'm switching 'picture' with 'example') would be someone like Shianni, or Tamlen or even Ariane.

Modifié par standardpack, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:47 .

[TEWR]

standardpack wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...
what do you guys think?

Poor Orana. Getting rolled out as the poster child by anyone who doesn't like the new elves. Personally, I think the worst thing about her appearance is that makeup -- I mean, what's up with the pastels? Gosh.

Beyond that, while our elves may be tweaked in appearance (and, indeed, our face morphing system for all characters is likely to change as we move forward anyhow), we're definitely not going back to humans-with-pointy-ears. So, while pulling up the (1)best elven pictures from DAO and the worst elven pictures from DA2 may be an interesting exercise, it's not going to convince us to suddenly reverse course. Sorry.

I get that you guys wanted a different look between the races... but how about not sucking in their cheeks to the point that it looks like someone drained the blood from their face?  And I don't just mean Orana, I've seen this in almost half of the elves I encountered that weren't main characters or close to it.
*1:And you think DAO's Merrill is the epitome of what some of us miss in the dao elves?  My version of 'the best elven example from DAO' (in this case i'm switching 'picture' with 'example') would be someone like Shianni, or Tamlen or even Ariane.

I didn't like Tamlen. He wasn't an attractive elf to me.


Shianni, Gheyna, Iona, and the CE's bride-to-be are what I'd call good looking elves in Origins

[standardpack]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

standardpack wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...
what do you guys think?

Poor Orana. Getting rolled out as the poster child by anyone who doesn't like the new elves. Personally, I think the worst thing about her appearance is that makeup -- I mean, what's up with the pastels? Gosh.

Beyond that, while our elves may be tweaked in appearance (and, indeed, our face morphing system for all characters is likely to change as we move forward anyhow), we're definitely not going back to humans-with-pointy-ears. So, while pulling up the (1)best elven pictures from DAO and the worst elven pictures from DA2 may be an interesting exercise, it's not going to convince us to suddenly reverse course. Sorry.

I get that you guys wanted a different look between the races... but how about not sucking in their cheeks to the point that it looks like someone drained the blood from their face?  And I don't just mean Orana, I've seen this in almost half of the elves I encountered that weren't main characters or close to it.
*1:And you think DAO's Merrill is the epitome of what some of us miss in the dao elves?  My version of 'the best elven example from DAO' (in this case i'm switching 'picture' with 'example') would be someone like Shianni, or Tamlen or even Ariane.

I didn't like Tamlen. He wasn't an attractive elf to me.


Shianni, Gheyna, Iona, and the CE's bride-to-be are what I'd call good looking elves in Origins

I wanted to place an example of a male elf to get both points, and also ones that didn't completely look like, as they put it, 'humans with pointy ears.'  Unfortunately most elven males in the game are old people... atleast from what I remember.  Have anyone else in mind?

Modifié par standardpack, 19 septembre 2011 - 07:03 .

[Yuqi]

I don't mind the new elves, but the ears resemble those things from avatar too much. They have done a 'new coke' instead of 'vanilla coke'. I think they need to find a middle ground, with the 'ear issue'.

Zevran, is hands down awful in DA2. His appearance no longer fits his character.

[Quatre]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

*gives the OP a cat hiss*


don't you touch my DA2 style elves!

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[Yuqi]

mousestalker wrote...

Theme song for this thread

Lol

[DoNotIngest]

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[element eater]

they should keep the current style but work on it

imo they should tone down the more prominent features on all the elf designs rather then on just those that need to look good for story purposes

its easy to say the da2 elves can look good(and they can) and simply have wave the uglys. However, as others have said the better looking designs generally have less prominent 'elven' features id like to see all the elves get this treatment rather then just those who were major characters

[LobselVith8]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

As for her story. It seems odd that the Qunari would hire an elf to hunt down a rogue Serebaas. In DAII they seemed to prefer dealing with their affairs personally and the Arishok didn't have a high opinion of those who sell their blades for coin.

I'm more curious as to whether Hawke will have any agency over what to do about the situation, or if we'll get a repeat of Legacy (and "Sheparding Wolves," "Best Served Cold," ect.) and Hawke will simply stand there without having any real choice in the matter.

[Leoroc]

Your elves aren't really distinct though. Pathfinder RPG already beat you to that look 5 years ago. To be fair there isn't a whole lot of new direction to go with elves and have them still be called such.

I just want them to get their shoes back.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

If the developers want a "unique" elf look, fine. Elves now look like insects with Downs Syndrome. That's certainly.......unique. But its not a look for a race that is supposed to be physically attractive to humans. This new Talis character is visually appealing because she lacks the bug-freak extremes that DA2 elves have.

[Giggles_Manically]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

If the developers want a "unique" elf look, fine. Elves now look like insects with Downs Syndrome. That's certainly.......unique. But its not a look for a race that is supposed to be physically attractive to humans. This new Talis character is visually appealing because she lacks the bug-freak extremes that DA2 elves have.

You do realize that what you just said is entierly personal opionion and is in now way a matter a fact right?
Personally I enjoyed that elves dont just look like humans with pointy ears.

But at least I know its my opionion and in no way fact. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

You do realize that what you just said is entierly personal opionion and is in now way a matter a fact right?
Personally I enjoyed that elves dont just look like humans with pointy ears.

But at least I know its my opionion and in no way fact. 

Isn't just about everything in this thread a matter of opinion?

[Giggles_Manically]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

You do realize that what you just said is entierly personal opionion and is in now way a matter a fact right?
Personally I enjoyed that elves dont just look like humans with pointy ears.

But at least I know its my opionion and in no way fact. 

Isn't just about everything in this thread a matter of opinion?

Besides that Batman and Robin is **** everything is up for opionion true. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

You do realize that what you just said is entierly personal opionion and is in now way a matter a fact right?
Personally I enjoyed that elves dont just look like humans with pointy ears.

But at least I know its my opionion and in no way fact. 

Isn't just about everything in this thread a matter of opinion?

Besides that Batman and Robin is **** everything is up for opionion true. 

Precisely. Which is why I did not state "It is in my humble opinion that DA2 elves are unforgivably fugly." Because naturally, since we are discussing artwork and aesthetics, I assumed that this would be taken as granted that i am expressing my opinion.

[Giggles_Manically]

Spent to long on the Escapist then it seems.
Unless you say IMHO before anything prepare to get flamed.

Especially if you say that Deus Ex:HR ripped off Inspector Gadget.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I like the look of some of the elves. Orsino looks terrific.

I still dislike DA2's overall art direction, but I have no complaint with the geometry of elven skulls. I'd happily play an elf. I'm hoping I get to do so soon.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I think 95% of what is stated on these forums is opinion, unless discussing the divinity of Ser Pounce-a-Lot, which is established canonical fact. Otherwise, it's a mix of opinion, speculation, and theorizing.

Especially when we are discussing graphical/art direction. There are people who think DA2 elves are awesome. There are those who feel the urge to grab a flyswatter when encountering them. And there are those who don't care. All of which are opinions.

And I have enough greater Warmth balms to resist any flaming due to construing my opinion as fact.

[jamesp81]

I prefer the DA2 elves. JMO.

Modifié par jamesp81, 23 septembre 2011 - 03:11 .

[Demon Velsper]

David Gaider wrote...

At least some people aren't going to like the change just because it's a change

Don't forget to blame 4chan. Cause, you know, that's always the case when people don't agree with you.

[Alyka]

I don't like DA2's elves as much as DA:O's.Now I'm not saying that I thought DA:O elves were remarkable,but I do prefer them.Although, there are a few exceptions in DA2; Orsino,Fenris and Athenril.I think it's the pronounced bridge of the nose,big eyes and what seems like overuse of the two that adds up to my dislike towards the DA2 elves.Their smaller body size is okay but I don't understand why the males stand hunched over.Is that suppose to reflect the body posture of Shrieks?
Even though the elves are considered "beautiful" in the DA universe, I'm not against some who appear to be "average" or "ugly".I like variation.Maybe it's because I feel bad for the elves that I want them to look attractive.They had their home taken away from them, their language and traditions were almost completely destroyed and they were enslaved.In my opinion,for them to be superior in combat,appearance,intelligence, and survival is like a big triumph over their oppressors.A proverbial "neener ,neener"  if you will.
This just came to mind; what is the epitome of beauty in DA? Is it based on average-looking human's opinions? The codex says that "elves are seen as beautiful by humans".Maybe dwarves view them as being ugly.
I don't think the elves need to be drastically changed, but they could stand a bit of improvement.
But those are just my opinions.

[TEWR]

I wanted to place an example of a male elf to get both points, and also ones that didn't completely look like, as they put it, 'humans with pointy ears.' Unfortunately most elven males in the game are old people... atleast from what I remember. Have anyone else in mind?

Master Ilen? Zevran? I'm not really sure who to say. Remove the pointy ears of an elf in DAO and you have another human.

[jamesp81]

Alyka wrote...

I don't like DA2's elves as much as DA:O's.Now I'm not saying that I thought DA:O elves were remarkable,but I do prefer them.Although, there are a few exceptions in DA2; Orsino,Fenris and Athenril.I think it's the pronounced bridge of the nose,big eyes and what seems like overuse of the two that adds up to my dislike towards the DA2 elves.Their smaller body size is okay but I don't understand why the males stand hunched over.Is that suppose to reflect the body posture of Shrieks?
Even though the elves are considered "beautiful" in the DA universe, I'm not against some who appear to be "average" or "ugly".I like variation.Maybe it's because I feel bad for the elves that I want them to look attractive.They had their home taken away from them, their language and traditions were almost completely destroyed and they were enslaved.In my opinion,for them to be superior in combat,appearance,intelligence, and survival is like a big triumph over their oppressors.A proverbial "neener ,neener"  if you will.
This just came to mind; what is the epitome of beauty in DA? Is it based on average-looking human's opinions? The codex says that "elves are seen as beautiful by humans".Maybe dwarves view them as being ugly.
I don't think the elves need to be drastically changed, but they could stand a bit of improvement.
But those are just my opinions.

The problem with one point is that the elves are not superior in combat.  The fact that they got hammered flat in two wars kind of proves that.  Not that they aren't good warriors, as many of them are.  But when it comes to large scale war and killing, humans, especially Tevinter and Orlais, seem to have a lock on that.