jamesp81 wrote...
The problem with one point is that the elves are not superior in combat. The fact that they got hammered flat in two wars kind of proves that. Not that they aren't good warriors, as many of them are. But when it comes to large scale war and killing, humans, especially Tevinter and Orlais, seem to have a lock on that.
Wulfram wrote...
jamesp81 wrote...
The problem with one point is that the elves are not superior in combat. The fact that they got hammered flat in two wars kind of proves that. Not that they aren't good warriors, as many of them are. But when it comes to large scale war and killing, humans, especially Tevinter and Orlais, seem to have a lock on that.
The Orlesians were taking a beating from the Dalish, before the Exalted March kicked into gear.
David Gaider wrote...
Nerevar-as wrote...
The sad thing is, DA elves were unique. Besides Sapkowski´s work, I can´t think of any widely known setting were elves have it that bad. Why is there now such an obssession with the appearence? Most players who aren´t fans of the game aren´t going to recognize them for DA elves anyway, even if their reaction to the new looks is favorable, which from what I read here and other forums doesn´t seem to be the case.
The opinion on the new elven look is about as uniform as the opinion on DA2 itself, and I suspect there's a bit of blending of the two. At least some people aren't going to like the change just because it's a change, even if the original version of the elves wasn't all that spectacular. And even if that isn't the case, we're not crowd-sourcing the appearance of our races-- we wanted our races to be more distinct from one another as a goal, and that's what we've done. Short of the tweaks I mentioned earlier (which will come as technology changes demand, in particular), we're not going back to the original style.
Wulfram wrote...
jamesp81 wrote...
The problem with one point is that the elves are not superior in combat. The fact that they got hammered flat in two wars kind of proves that. Not that they aren't good warriors, as many of them are. But when it comes to large scale war and killing, humans, especially Tevinter and Orlais, seem to have a lock on that.
The Orlesians were taking a beating from the Dalish, before the Exalted March kicked into gear.
jamesp81 wrote...
Yes, that's kind of what I said.
Humans and elves clashed in two major wars. First when the Tevinters fought Arlathan, second when Orlais and others fought the Dales. The result of both of those wars was utter catastrophe for the elves.
Wulfram wrote...
The point is that the Dalish fought and were extremely successful against Orlais, even sacking their capital. That does not paint a picture of the elves being poor at fighting wars, even if they ultimately got overrun when fighting virtually the whole continent.
David Gaider wrote...
The Grey Nayr wrote...
As for her story. It seems odd that the Qunari would hire an elf to hunt down a rogue Serebaas. In DAII they seemed to prefer dealing with their affairs personally and the Arishok didn't have a high opinion of those who sell their blades for coin.
Yes, that would be odd. Maybe it comes up in the DLC?
(I just really want to see Sten again.)
Wulfram wrote...
jamesp81 wrote...
Yes, that's kind of what I said.
Humans and elves clashed in two major wars. First when the Tevinters fought Arlathan, second when Orlais and others fought the Dales. The result of both of those wars was utter catastrophe for the elves.
The point is that the Dalish fought and were extremely successful against Orlais, even sacking their capital. That does not paint a picture of the elves being poor at fighting wars, even if they ultimately got overrun when fighting virtually the whole continent.
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Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 20 septembre 2011 - 02:52 .
David Gaider wrote...
Gabey5 wrote...
what do you guys think?
Poor Orana. Getting rolled out as the poster child by anyone who doesn't like the new elves. Personally, I think the worst thing about her appearance is that makeup -- I mean, what's up with the pastels? Gosh.
Beyond that, while our elves may be tweaked in appearance (and, indeed, our face morphing system for all characters is likely to change as we move forward anyhow), we're definitely not going back to humans-with-pointy-ears. So, while pulling up the best elven pictures from DAO and the worst elven pictures from DA2 may be an interesting exercise, it's not going to convince us to suddenly reverse course. Sorry.
Merril isn't ugly...Boiny Bunny wrote...
One of the main reasons that Bioware re-designed the Darkspawn is that they wanted to move firmly away from the over-used goblins and orcs that are used in many of these types of worlds.
Perhaps the re-design of the elves is another (deliberate) slap to Tolkien's face? In that, elves are traditionally naturally beautiful - much more so than the other races - but in the DA universe, they are now incredibly ugly from the perspective of a human.
Which, i feel, is largely a lost cause -- as Flemmeth puts it, "we only ever see what we want to see", and people have it pretty much drilled in their skulls at this point that 'dark' cannon fodder sort of enemy in medievalesque fantasy settings = orcs. It doesn't matter what these creatures look like, your average person who isn't obsessed with DA specifically (i.e. the bulk of people who play it) is going to refer to them and think about them as "orcs", and that's what they'll see. And i'm doubtful if they'll even pay that much attention to darkspawn appearances and/or bother to focus on differences rather than similarities... because srsly, 'everyone knows what orcs are like'.Boiny Bunny wrote...
One of the main reasons that Bioware re-designed the Darkspawn is that they wanted to move firmly away from the over-used goblins and orcs that are used in many of these types of worlds.
And Orsino looks great. I would love to play a PC who looks like Orsino.Lord Aesir wrote...
Merril isn't ugly...Boiny Bunny wrote...
One of the main reasons that Bioware re-designed the Darkspawn is that they wanted to move firmly away from the over-used goblins and orcs that are used in many of these types of worlds.
Perhaps the re-design of the elves is another (deliberate) slap to Tolkien's face? In that, elves are traditionally naturally beautiful - much more so than the other races - but in the DA universe, they are now incredibly ugly from the perspective of a human.
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Sylvius the Mad wrote...
And Orsino looks great. I would love to play a PC who looks like Orsino.
FieryDove wrote...
If they are going to keep the new style then keep it for ALL. Make them all halla heads or leave them as mostly human looking with pointy ears. (Merrill). Although if Merrill in da3 has grown into a halla head type elf there may be riots...just sayin.
Lord Aesir wrote...
Merril isn't ugly...Boiny Bunny wrote...
One of the main reasons that Bioware re-designed the Darkspawn is that they wanted to move firmly away from the over-used goblins and orcs that are used in many of these types of worlds.
Perhaps the re-design of the elves is another (deliberate) slap to Tolkien's face? In that, elves are traditionally naturally beautiful - much more so than the other races - but in the DA universe, they are now incredibly ugly from the perspective of a human.
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