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[ShepardTheMetalhead]

cachx wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

cachx wrote...

After reading this, my only question is how exactly did Shep end up in chains and what happened to the crew.

Shepard said that he'd come back to Earth and gladly face trial.

It's only natural to assume that they put Shepard (and possibly the crew) in chains and bring them back to Earth.

Anyways, awesome comic.  Mostly action, and the WOW! factor in the end.

That's why I found it strange, if Shepard was to go willingly, why put him behind bars? Specially if it was anderson the one that picked him up.
I also don't think that most of the crew would accept getting shackled. They probably left the SR-2 before Shep turned himself in, and I would love to see those "goodbye" moments.

I'm still not sure if I like Vega. Was it too hard to find a Mute button on the tv?
Also, wasn't he supposed to be a newcomer to the whole intergalactic stuff? what is he doing on Omega, then?  Seems that idea got scrapped.

BW said that Vega is naive to the political underworkings of the galaxy, not the galaxy itself. If he's of military background, there's no reason for him to be a newcomer to the galaxy itself.

[TheRevanchist]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Well... running from the Citadel, not telling anyone what's going on, taking part in an unauthorized military operation, and then crash landing first on Omega and then on the biotic academy station... and all that FOR A GIRL, sounds like enough materiall for stripping anyone from such a position.

Yeah, problem with that is that he wasn't Councilor when he did all that. He starts the book as an Admiral, and Udina's already Councilor.

Yes, that's stated in the book, however the fact that he's Udina's assistant is also stated, meaning the book follows one of the two alternative choices, I never seen a BioWare person say that the book sets canon, the policy always was "canon is what you did".

With this in mind, if you choose Anderson as a councilor - he most likely would be stripped of that status for what he did in the book, if you choose Udina for councilor - he did what he did and he had no status to be stripped off.

Both ways - he's no longer a councilor and nobody can complain that his choice did not matter.

Sorry to disapoint you...but Drew very clearly stated that Anderson never loses the position...I'm rather tierd of people trying to cling to this idea. The book is written from the perspective that Udina was originally chosen in the first place...Anderson was NEVER Councilor...it was nothing but a Ret Con that will not be explained. That's the way the cookie crumbles...it happens sometimes...you can try to justify it with "he steped down" or w/e all you want the facts are the same. Drew told everyone Anderson is not the kind of person who would walk away from a job like that for anyone, not Shepard or anyone else he knows. He said some libertys had to be taken in order for extra stories outside the trilogy to be made. Pure and simple. Anderson was Ret Coned out of the loop and thats the way it is. i made a topic about this...take it for what you will    

 http://social.biowar...index/5265646/1

[Display Name Owner]

It seems a bit weird to me that the Batarian Hegemony has any knowledge that Shepard personally had anything to do with the destruction of that colony. The only time Shepard's name was given to any Batarian in Arrival was when s/he tried to warn the colony, which was an optional dialogue choice. Plus the colony was completely obliterated only hours later. If you didn't pick that particular line, there should be no evidence that Shepard was even there, let alone resposible for blowing up the Mass Relay.

I'm probably nitpicking, but it stuck out to me so...

Anyway, I wonder what those four armed things were? And what this Fehl incident is all about? Hmmm.

Modifié par isnudo, 17 septembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[DragonIroh001]

ShepardTheMetalhead wrote...

cachx wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

cachx wrote...

After reading this, my only question is how exactly did Shep end up in chains and what happened to the crew.

Shepard said that he'd come back to Earth and gladly face trial.

It's only natural to assume that they put Shepard (and possibly the crew) in chains and bring them back to Earth.

Anyways, awesome comic.  Mostly action, and the WOW! factor in the end.

That's why I found it strange, if Shepard was to go willingly, why put him behind bars? Specially if it was anderson the one that picked him up.
I also don't think that most of the crew would accept getting shackled. They probably left the SR-2 before Shep turned himself in, and I would love to see those "goodbye" moments.

I'm still not sure if I like Vega. Was it too hard to find a Mute button on the tv?
Also, wasn't he supposed to be a newcomer to the whole intergalactic stuff? what is he doing on Omega, then?  Seems that idea got scrapped.

BW said that Vega is naive to the political underworkings of the galaxy, not the galaxy itself. If he's of military background, there's no reason for him to be a newcomer to the galaxy itself.

Hmm, I wonder if that means that our Shepards will be able to shape Vega to be more in line with our views of the various factions, like be more Anti-Council for example.

[Dean_the_Young]

leonia42 wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

True, I mean about his past mission that made him a "waster". Probably will be your typical mission gone wrong story told before, but im still interested in hearing it now.

So long as he isn't responsible for the death of his squad and is seeking revenge on the guy who betrayed him, all the while managing to ****** off the mercs on Omega all over again..

Pretty sure he isn't Sole-Survivor Shepard.

[alex90c]

Eh, still don't like Vega.

[Geth_Prime]

They managed to fit a batarian bar brawl, some teasers and a little bit of character insight all into eight pages. I love it.

And I'm really interested in these odd-looking creatures and "that incident on Fehl". Good job, Mac Walters.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Sort of a bland comic, but the ending was interesting... especially the question of why Anderson would go so far out of his way to pick up Vega, and his reasons for being on Omega in full Alliance dress in the first place... Oh well. I'll blame the artist for that misstep.

In any case, there should have been more explanation for Anderson's being there and why an Alliance detail in the heart of the Terminus Systems didn't spark an all-out street fight... aren't ships from the Council races' fleets prohibited from having a presence in the Terminus because of the
high risk of confrontation?

[Sylvianus]

Thanks op. Hell, I like more and more James Vega.

Finally, I think I will take him in my main team with Ashley.

[ddv.rsa]

kylecouch wrote...

Sorry to disapoint you...but Drew very clearly stated that Anderson never loses the position...I'm rather tierd of people trying to cling to this idea. The book is written from the perspective that Udina was originally chosen in the first place...Anderson was NEVER Councilor...it was nothing but a Ret Con that will not be explained. That's the way the cookie crumbles...it happens sometimes...you can try to justify it with "he steped down" or w/e all you want the facts are the same. Drew told everyone Anderson is not the kind of person who would walk away from a job like that for anyone, not Shepard or anyone else he knows. He said some libertys had to be taken in order for extra stories outside the trilogy to be made. Pure and simple. Anderson was Ret Coned out of the loop and thats the way it is. i made a topic about this...take it for what you will    

 http://social.biowar...index/5265646/1

Can you show me where Drew says this?

[Inutaisho7996]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Sort of a bland comic, but the ending was interesting... especially the question of why Anderson would go so far out of his way to pick up Vega, and his reasons for being on Omega in full Alliance dress in the first place... Oh well. I'll blame the artist for that misstep.

In any case, there should have been more explanation for Anderson's being there and why an Alliance detail in the heart of the Terminus Systems didn't spark an all-out street fight... aren't ships from the Council races' fleets prohibited from having a presence in the Terminus because of the
high risk of confrontation?

I was unaware that camo pants and a T-shirt were the standard Alliance uniform.

[TheRevanchist]

But to comment on this actual "comic"...felt really pointless...hes just another typical squadmate with "issues" that Shepard has to be Dr Phil for. In fact this simply reinforces my original assesment of being a Jersey Shore jack ass. Nothing but horrible "badass" lines that are older then the hills, hitting people and that same stupid Beach Boy look with the dumb ass mohawk and tribals with his roid fueled appearence. That entire situation was his fault...period...idc what anyone else says....no need to rip the TV out first of all...could have just turned it off. Thus avoiding the entire situation. Even if he did he could have simply said "no I'm not, I'm simply sick of hearing this crap" and sat back down. Again fight avoided. idc what kind of "fanyboy" you are theres no excuse for randomly ripping a TV that dont belong to you off the wall. Would it have really killed him to just change the channel? or just turn it off? But whatever. Secondly...whoopty f***ing doo...PTSD...just another overdone mental condition in story telling where soldiers are involved. Oh YAY I get to be Dr Phil some more <.<. Granted its a serious condition IRL and I feel sorry for ppl who really suffer from it....but its just overdone along with everything else really since original ideas are all but impossible in the world now. Needless to say I couldn't care less about this mysterious "incident" he was in. Probably just another cliche situation. Just like Jacob I doubt I'll be useing him in the slightest and he'll just be guarding the ship.

[TheRevanchist]

ddv.rsa wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Sorry to disapoint you...but Drew very clearly stated that Anderson never loses the position...I'm rather tierd of people trying to cling to this idea. The book is written from the perspective that Udina was originally chosen in the first place...Anderson was NEVER Councilor...it was nothing but a Ret Con that will not be explained. That's the way the cookie crumbles...it happens sometimes...you can try to justify it with "he steped down" or w/e all you want the facts are the same. Drew told everyone Anderson is not the kind of person who would walk away from a job like that for anyone, not Shepard or anyone else he knows. He said some libertys had to be taken in order for extra stories outside the trilogy to be made. Pure and simple. Anderson was Ret Coned out of the loop and thats the way it is. i made a topic about this...take it for what you will    

 http://social.biowar...index/5265646/1

Can you show me where Drew says this?

The entire situation is disguessed in the link I provided.

[Takio]

kylecouch wrote...

But to comment on this actual "comic"...felt really pointless...hes just another typical squadmate with "issues" that Shepard has to be Dr Phil for. In fact this simply reinforces my original assesment of being a Jersey Shore jack ass. Nothing but horrible "badass" lines that are older then the hills, hitting people and that same stupid Beach Boy look with the dumb ass mohawk and tribals with his roid fueled appearence. That entire situation was his fault...period...idc what anyone else says....no need to rip the TV out first of all...could have just turned it off. Thus avoiding the entire situation. Even if he did he could have simply said "no I'm not, I'm simply sick of hearing this crap" and sat back down. Again fight avoided. idc what kind of "fanyboy" you are theres no excuse for randomly ripping a TV that dont belong to you off the wall. Would it have really killed him to just change the channel? or just turn it off? But whatever. Secondly...whoopty f***ing doo...PTSD...just another overdone mental condition in story telling where soldiers are involved. Oh YAY I get to be Dr Phil some more <.<. Granted its a serious condition IRL and I feel sorry for ppl who really suffer from it....but its just overdone along with everything else really since original ideas are all but impossible in the world now. Needless to say I couldn't care less about this mysterious "incident" he was in. Probably just another cliche situation. Just like Jacob I doubt I'll be useing him in the slightest and he'll just be guarding the ship.

So Basically, anyone who isn't automatically good-looking but is in good-shape is a jersey shore jackass? I'm pretty sure hills came before one-liners.  And apparently all of the loyalty missions were cliche? So interacting with crew members and talking about their problems is being Dr. Phil? And having PTSD is cliche? How about being a vigilante, atoning assassin, escaped convict, or warrior race guy? 

[eternalnightmare13]

Thanks for posting these, OP.

[Someone With Mass]

I just love when people think they know the whole story about a character based on a crappy comic.

[ddv.rsa]

kylecouch wrote...

The entire situation is disguessed in the link I provided.

I didn't read the entire thread, but I checked it for dev posts. Nothing. 

[RPGamer13]

Well, even in ME2, Anderson as councilor seemed like it was put in there as an appeasement and an excuse just to have him in the game.

And I honestly would have been fine if it was no choice because even in Mass Effect 1 it didn't seem to make a difference to me either way.

[sorentoft]

Total Biscuit wrote...

I'm surprised by how many people are admiring Vegas thuggish behaviour here.

I mean let's not forget that while we, the players know Shepard had a damn good reason to blow the Alpha Relay, everyone in universe, bar a handful that have heard Shepards side, just know an enormous atrocity was committed against what were almost entirely civilians.

What Vega did was the equivalent of a man of very obvious Arab descent vandalising a bars TV during a news report talking about 9/11, a matter of days after it happened, because it vilified Osama Bin Laden. And doing so infront of a group he knew to be made up largely of Americans, who'd been happy enough to peacefully play cards with him moments before hand.

Again, we know Shepards, well, not innocent as such, but didn't deliberately just kill those people, but no one else does.

Between the enourmous amount of insensitivity to a bunch of otherwise friendly enough people, and apparent inability to understand the concept of an off switch, I'm assumimg Vega is special forces, more for the other meaning of 'special'.

I thought it was quite clear by now that we, humans, are abundantly racist when it comes to species from outer space. With good reason.

Modifié par sorentoft, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:20 .

[TheRevanchist]

Takio wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

But to comment on this actual "comic"...felt really pointless...hes just another typical squadmate with "issues" that Shepard has to be Dr Phil for. In fact this simply reinforces my original assesment of being a Jersey Shore jack ass. Nothing but horrible "badass" lines that are older then the hills, hitting people and that same stupid Beach Boy look with the dumb ass mohawk and tribals with his roid fueled appearence. That entire situation was his fault...period...idc what anyone else says....no need to rip the TV out first of all...could have just turned it off. Thus avoiding the entire situation. Even if he did he could have simply said "no I'm not, I'm simply sick of hearing this crap" and sat back down. Again fight avoided. idc what kind of "fanyboy" you are theres no excuse for randomly ripping a TV that dont belong to you off the wall. Would it have really killed him to just change the channel? or just turn it off? But whatever. Secondly...whoopty f***ing doo...PTSD...just another overdone mental condition in story telling where soldiers are involved. Oh YAY I get to be Dr Phil some more <.<. Granted its a serious condition IRL and I feel sorry for ppl who really suffer from it....but its just overdone along with everything else really since original ideas are all but impossible in the world now. Needless to say I couldn't care less about this mysterious "incident" he was in. Probably just another cliche situation. Just like Jacob I doubt I'll be useing him in the slightest and he'll just be guarding the ship.

So Basically, anyone who isn't automatically good-looking but is in good-shape is a jersey shore jackass? I'm pretty sure hills came before one-liners.  And apparently all of the loyalty missions were cliche? So interacting with crew members and talking about their problems is being Dr. Phil? And having PTSD is cliche? How about being a vigilante, atoning assassin, escaped convict, or warrior race guy? 

No...thats not what defines a Jersery Shore jackass...what defines that is that same punk style appearence he has, meaning the stupid mohawk, steriod muscles and tattoo's everywhere, the same applies to Jack except the steriods and hohawk. And yes...having to personally deal with everyones damn problems is being Dr Phil...because thats what he freakin does for a living. And I never said the others WEREN"T cliche...keep that in mind...and yes...a Soldier having PTSD is very cliche, not sure how you dont see that. Most of those loyalty missions were not so much cliche as it was simply a waste of god damn time when most of them could have done themselves like MMO NPC's. Since their all supposedly "total bad asses that eat nails for breakfest without milk with typical daddy issues" it shouldnt be too hard for them. Point is everything in this world has already been done to death since originally is almost impossible...all you can hope for is slightly different spins to same old crap. I'm not hateing the game or anything I still like them...just speaking from an opinion about the ability to tell original stories. The over arching story is very well done and I love it to death, and its the reason I continue to play the games...its simply the companion backstories I find pretty Meh. I dont really care about any of their back stories at all...its all the same crap everyones heard before with a few extra spins. And while I also find some of their personalitys abit Meh they are the reason I even bother talking to them...I talk to them because I like who they are as a person. I do not however want to hear about all their regrets in life or how they hate everyone or how they obsess over revenge or w/e else EVERY damn time I talk to them.   

[ShepardTheMetalhead]

DragonIroh001 wrote...

ShepardTheMetalhead wrote...

cachx wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

cachx wrote...

After reading this, my only question is how exactly did Shep end up in chains and what happened to the crew.

Shepard said that he'd come back to Earth and gladly face trial.

It's only natural to assume that they put Shepard (and possibly the crew) in chains and bring them back to Earth.

Anyways, awesome comic.  Mostly action, and the WOW! factor in the end.

That's why I found it strange, if Shepard was to go willingly, why put him behind bars? Specially if it was anderson the one that picked him up.
I also don't think that most of the crew would accept getting shackled. They probably left the SR-2 before Shep turned himself in, and I would love to see those "goodbye" moments.

I'm still not sure if I like Vega. Was it too hard to find a Mute button on the tv?
Also, wasn't he supposed to be a newcomer to the whole intergalactic stuff? what is he doing on Omega, then?  Seems that idea got scrapped.

BW said that Vega is naive to the political underworkings of the galaxy, not the galaxy itself. If he's of military background, there's no reason for him to be a newcomer to the galaxy itself.

Hmm, I wonder if that means that our Shepards will be able to shape Vega to be more in line with our views of the various factions, like be more Anti-Council for example.

That would be rather interesting. Shepard could be an educational figure of sorts to him as far as galactic politics, and you choose what Shepard's stance on it is.

[Phaedon]

My review as taken (and slightly modified) from @ME3News. It's a bit hard to write with a 140 char. restriction, so sorry if my expression is not the best.

Mass Effect: Conviction Review

First off, let me remind you that this comic only has 8 pages.

Don't get me wrong, some 10-pagers can have decent stories, but that's it. You can't offer much development in so few pages. (I describe the story for a while at this point).

The story is rather interesting, and gives Vega's character some -welcome- depth. PTSD could explain his rather aggressive attitude, while some elements of the plot hint to a much more peaceful side Vega used to have.The cinematic style of the games is maintained, and while the lineart isn't very good (understandable, it's different to learn to do new creature anatomies in a single comic), the colouring is quite great. One of the most detailed I've seen in a while.


All in all, I'd say Conviction is a pretty decent 8-pager, and it does link Arrival to ME3. Plus, it's free!

Modifié par Phaedon, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:51 .

[Air36723]

the thing that bothers me about the comic is that, A) its only "rumors" about shepard being there as stated by hackett but this makes it seem like everyone somehow knows he did it, some playthroughs could tell hackett they'd come to earth willingly (paragon) so why is how we get to earth being chosen for us now? why give us the option of what to say to hackett in arrival if it doesnt matter.

[Adanu]

Air36723 wrote...

the thing that bothers me about the comic is that, A) its only "rumors" about shepard being there as stated by hackett but this makes it seem like everyone somehow knows he did it, some playthroughs could tell hackett they'd come to earth willingly (paragon) so why is how we get to earth being chosen for us now? why give us the option of what to say to hackett in arrival if it doesnt matter.

If you can't figure that out on your own, I don't you'd understand if it was explained.

[1136342t54_]

kylecouch wrote...

The entire situation is disguessed in the link I provided.

From what you said earlier you implied that there was a quote from Drew.  I need a specific quote to be sure. If now then I'm going to go with a reasonable assumption. Is there a specific quote in the thread you linked?