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[Angmir]

Sugandhalaya wrote...

That seems to be a very boring character...stupid, unidimensional, a typical american soldier...no brain, just muscles. who the hell needs such a deadhead?

Well i am no American but since when typical American soldier is no-brainer deadhead ??

Thats a bit offensive ...
I think that soldiers generaly are made of young somewhat jet not developed emotionaly people that are perhaps a bit prone to follow their ideologies with a devotion that sometimes leads them astray (as with all young people) but why would soldier be any less inteligent that civilian ?

Thing that soldiers shouldnt questions orders doesnt mean they cant think on themselfs.

PS. and my apologies if my level of english, somewhat made my words sound differently than I intended, but I hope I was clear in my statementm, and didnt offended anyone.

Modifié par Angmir, 18 septembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[Aurora313]

rapscallioness wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

Hm.

I'm looking forward to playing Skyllian Five with James now. Anyone else share the sentiment?

Me, too. lol. I bet Vega is a great smack talker over cards.

I think that the crew would have to gently (or not so much) remind him not to break the TV in the mess when a Shepard BSing broadcast comes on. lol

[rapscallioness]

InHarmsWay wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

I doubt the Hegemony cares as much about the deaths of what was a majority of slaves rather than they cared about it ending their mining operations.

Slaves are not citizens under Batarian law. So they are actually made about Shepard murdering 90000 citizens and soldiers, and massive property damage.

Wait...it was a majority of slaves?  Were they human slaves? Or mostly human?

[1136342t54_]

laecraft wrote...

If they didn't want a war, why sponsor Balak to do what he did? You really believe he was acting on his own? The Hegemony is good at calling its own agents "rogues" and "independent bandits". Oh those "misguided acts of retribution" that we so very disapprove of...this has nothing to do with our official stance, of course.

Proof that he wasn't acting on his own.

There really isn't much. Even the Slavers he was working with didn't necessarily want to work with him they were just afraid of him. Seriously remember when we went to war with Iraq because they were supposedly supporting terrorists. Hell Terrorists usually dislike most governments because they aren't willing to do what must be done.

[rapscallioness]

Aurora313 wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

Hm.

I'm looking forward to playing Skyllian Five with James now. Anyone else share the sentiment?

Me, too. lol. I bet Vega is a great smack talker over cards.

I think that the crew would have to gently (or not so much) remind him not to break the TV in the mess when a Shepard BSing broadcast comes on. lol

lol, but I don't think anyone is gonna be talking crap about Shep after the Reapers bull rush the galaxy.

[Angmir]

rapscallioness wrote...


Wait...it was a majority of slaves?  Were they human slaves? Or mostly human?

That was never said - and never will be i presume.

It is a safe bet thought that - no - humans arent likely mayoryty of Battarian slave manpower. I actualy think that most Battarian slaves are ... other Battarians
- I mean they have this caste system long before they took it into space so it is only logical that they would have Battarian slaves too.

Modifié par Angmir, 18 septembre 2011 - 12:57 .

[didymos1120]

1136342t54 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

The entire situation is disguessed in the link I provided.

From what you said earlier you implied that there was a quote from Drew.  I need a specific quote to be sure. If now then I'm going to go with a reasonable assumption. Is there a specific quote in the thread you linked?

Here's the quote:

DaBigDragon wrote...

I e-mailed Drew Karpyshyn after the ME: Retribution book came out and asked him about the whole Udina/Anderson Councilor thing. This is what he replied:

My e-mail to him:

"Hello,

I'm reading through your new Mass Effect book. Been awesome so far, but how come you went with Udina being a councilor and Anderson an advisor? What if you chose Anderson to be the councilor in the games? Is what you wrote a retcon?"

His response:

"Sometimes for the novels, certain things have to be "taken for granted" in order to tell a story. Anderson couldn't just leave if he was on the Council. But this isn't really a "ret-con", as there was no established canon in the first place. I realize some people get very upset when something is established that contradicts their personal game experience, and we try to minimize the impact. But if we want to continue expanding the Mass Effect universe, there are times when we have to take certain decisions from the game and go with one alternative over another so we can build on what has happened. Hopefully the Mass Effect fans will understand our position and not get too bent out of shape.

Drew"

As far as I'm concerned, Drew isn't saying what people in here (and that thread) think he is.  Seems pretty clear to me it's a reasonably nice way of saying "Sorry. Udina's Councilor. Deal with it."

[rapscallioness]

Angmir wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...


Wait...it was a majority of slaves?  Were they human slaves? Or mostly human?

That was never said - and never will be i presume.

It is a safe bet thought that - no - humans arent likely mayoryty of Battarian slave manpower. I actualy think that most Battarian slaves are ... other Battarians
- I mean they have this caste system long before they took it into space so it is only logical that they would have Battarian slaves too.

Ah, okay. Don't get me wrong, imo, either way it was a horrible choice to have to make. I didn't like blowing up 300k Batarians. That was a sucker punch. And an entire star system with who knows how many other life forms.

I was wondering about it because I was afraid that if it came out that the majority of deaths were human, that would be more fuel on the fire as far as earth was concerned.

Modifié par rapscallioness, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:10 .

[Sajuro]

I really have no problem with Udina being councilor, Shepard picked Anderson and for 2 years Anderson put up with it, but he decided with the Reapers right around the corner he'd rather do something meaningful and get back out on the front lines.

[legion999]

Sugandhalaya wrote...

That seems to be a very boring character...stupid, unidimensional, a typical american soldier...no brain, just muscles. who the hell needs such a deadhead?

My troll sense is tingling...

Anyway he seems to be quite interesting, hopefully that will be in ME3.

[1136342t54_]

[quote]laecraft wrote...
The Hegemony would be an exception. :happy: I think their govenment is in perfect harmony with their terrorists. I don't even think there's any difference between them. We're speaking of the species who considers slavery a part of their culture, and "slave grabs" from other species their rightful spoils.
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While slavery isn't good at all but remember America used to have slaves. Were Americans incredibly evil at the time or mostly ignorant? Big difference.

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We're speaking of the species who was goading humanity while human colonies were disappearing, "look how humans prove themselves once again ineffective to protect their own colonies!" they were practically asking for conflict, their officials.
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Most powers wouldn't even try to help. Hell the Turians kind of goaded humans. They didn't care about helping the Alliance since they were a council race and they should take care of it. Most powers didn't care about us and the Batarians insulting us is different then ordering special forces to blow up a colony. Hell when you killed the Council people were worried about Turians attacking the Colonies not batarians.

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I don't think they even consider acts of terrorism as something morally questionable. But they know the Council does, and humanity does, so they use this in their demands.
[/quote]
Well now that is basically opinion backed up by little evidence but a few fanatics.

[quote]
In that comic, they don't even look particularly offended. They just think they deserve retribution, and they try to take it where they can. They try to kill that human, they fail. It's the way they live. They treat other species this way, and they expect nothing less in return.
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So they don't deserve to be pissed that 300,000 Batarians and entire solarsystem was destroyed by an Alliance operative? Hell when 9/11 happened some people were ready to blame any Muslim and brand many as extremists. That is basically natural for anyone to be pissed about that. Hell Nations went to war for less than what Shepard did.

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EDIT: I actually like them for it. They're pretty honest rivals. They don't pretend to be "friends" like the species that shall remain unnamed do, only to withdraw their support at their convenience.
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They don't like us but they know not to support Terrorist groups. Will they stop them? No but they won't support them.

[Angmir]

laecraft wrote...

The Hegemony would be an exception. :happy: I think their govenment is in perfect harmony with their terrorists. I don't even think there's any difference between them. We're speaking of the species who considers slavery a part of their culture, and "slave grabs" from other species their rightful spoils. We're speaking of the species who was goading humanity while human colonies were disappearing, "look how humans prove themselves once again ineffective to protect their own colonies!" they were practically asking for conflict, their officials. I don't think they even consider acts of terrorism as something morally questionable. But they know the Council does, and humanity does, so they use this in their demands.

In that comic, they don't even look particularly offended. They just think they deserve retribution, and they try to take it where they can. They try to kill that human, they fail. It's the way they live. They treat other species this way, and they expect nothing less in return.

What is so strange about slavery beeing a part of culture and way of life ?? It was quite common a 100 years back in our reality, and some countries still maintain it to some degree.
Look on Indian society - it is not amybe the same as slavery but the lowest castes still bear much semblence of slavery.

From modern day ethincs it seams wrong to enslave anybody, but our current ethics are relative - if history took a difrent path we could still have it nowadays - maybe they would be treated better with overal lifestandards rising but still.

Hell, from some perspective even now we all are slaves anyway. We are allowed some freedom but only allong some very narrow list of possibilities, we are not allowed to do as we want - just given some bigger room of options than 1800s slaves.
If some alien culture would confront us in the future they mind consider our society to be allmost as freedom-limiting and unethical as we consider Battarian's

Well that might be a little to philosophical statement for this thread but I do belive we peole have no right to impose our way of thinking upon anybody. There is no prove that our way of thinking is superior to anybodys. So let us stick with wat we belive and let them choose their own ways as long as they do not threaten our freedom and wellbeeing.

Modifié par Angmir, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:37 .

[Sajuro]

I don't see where all the love for Vega is coming from (other than he provoked a fight with some Batarians and then murdered them all for fun) but he just seems like an **** who lacks any self control (ripping the TV out instead of ignoring it, or even just putting his cards on the table and leaving) I was neutral on Vega, but this comic has made me dislike him, I hope ME3 redeems him, but if he continues to act like this I will be able to relate to him less than I was able to relate to Kaiden on my first playthrough.

[1136342t54_]

didymos1120 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

The entire situation is disguessed in the link I provided.

From what you said earlier you implied that there was a quote from Drew.  I need a specific quote to be sure. If now then I'm going to go with a reasonable assumption. Is there a specific quote in the thread you linked?

Here's the quote:

DaBigDragon wrote...

I e-mailed Drew Karpyshyn after the ME: Retribution book came out and asked him about the whole Udina/Anderson Councilor thing. This is what he replied:

My e-mail to him:

"Hello,

I'm reading through your new Mass Effect book. Been awesome so far, but how come you went with Udina being a councilor and Anderson an advisor? What if you chose Anderson to be the councilor in the games? Is what you wrote a retcon?"

His response:

"Sometimes for the novels, certain things have to be "taken for granted" in order to tell a story. Anderson couldn't just leave if he was on the Council. But this isn't really a "ret-con", as there was no established canon in the first place. I realize some people get very upset when something is established that contradicts their personal game experience, and we try to minimize the impact. But if we want to continue expanding the Mass Effect universe, there are times when we have to take certain decisions from the game and go with one alternative over another so we can build on what has happened. Hopefully the Mass Effect fans will understand our position and not get too bent out of shape.

Drew"

As far as I'm concerned, Drew isn't saying what people in here (and that thread) think he is.  Seems pretty clear to me it's a reasonably nice way of saying "Sorry. Udina's Councilor. Deal with it."

Thanks for that it explains plenty.

[Angmir]

Sajuro wrote...

I don't see where all the love for Vega is coming from (other than he provoked a fight with some Batarians and then murdered them all for fun) but he just seems like an **** who lacks any self control (ripping the TV out instead of ignoring it, or even just putting his cards on the table and leaving) I was neutral on Vega, but this comic has made me dislike him, I hope ME3 redeems him, but if he continues to act like this I will be able to relate to him less than I was able to relate to Kaiden on my first playthrough.

Do you liek Grunt ?? Cose Vega do behaves similary to some random Krogan

People like Krogans - why dont like Human acting as one

Modifié par Angmir, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:40 .

[Sajuro]

Angmir wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I don't see where all the love for Vega is coming from (other than he provoked a fight with some Batarians and then murdered them all for fun) but he just seems like an **** who lacks any self control (ripping the TV out instead of ignoring it, or even just putting his cards on the table and leaving) I was neutral on Vega, but this comic has made me dislike him, I hope ME3 redeems him, but if he continues to act like this I will be able to relate to him less than I was able to relate to Kaiden on my first playthrough.

Do you liek Grunt ?? Cose Vega do behaves similary to some random Krogan

People like Krogans - why dont like Human acting as one

Honestly, I didn't like him initially, but Grunt grew on me since he's funny and comes to be part of Shepard's Nakama

[InHarmsWay]

Sajuro wrote...

I don't see where all the love for Vega is coming from (other than he provoked a fight with some Batarians and then murdered them all for fun) but he just seems like an **** who lacks any self control (ripping the TV out instead of ignoring it, or even just putting his cards on the table and leaving) I was neutral on Vega, but this comic has made me dislike him, I hope ME3 redeems him, but if he continues to act like this I will be able to relate to him less than I was able to relate to Kaiden on my first playthrough.

I think we're reading two different comics. He did not in any way provok a fight. He destroyed a tv giving the news. Annoying, more so to the bartender, but he didn't say "**** every batarian hahaha". The batarian immediately took offense to him shutting off the tv, and Vega then says let's just get back to the card game. It was the batarian that completely loses it and attacks him with knives. The man was unarmed.

Do you expect him to stand there and take those knives in his chest, sir? He defended himself and killed the people who not only attacked him first but tried to kill him. This man was calm while defending himself. He even leaves the bar taking the fight with him which shows that he cared about collateral damage.

Might I suggest, sir, that you read the comic as you have seemed to have read something else.

Modifié par InHarmsWay, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:51 .

[mauro2222]

Wait... why is Shepard imprisoned?

Another question. The comics and novels are supposed to be real?, I mean, they are supposed to have happened?

[InHarmsWay]

mauro2222 wrote...

Wait... why is Shepard imprisoned?

Another question. The comics and novels are supposed to be real?, I mean, they are supposed to have happened?

Shepard turned him/herself in after the events of Arrival.

[mauro2222]

Angmir wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I don't see where all the love for Vega is coming from (other than he provoked a fight with some Batarians and then murdered them all for fun) but he just seems like an **** who lacks any self control (ripping the TV out instead of ignoring it, or even just putting his cards on the table and leaving) I was neutral on Vega, but this comic has made me dislike him, I hope ME3 redeems him, but if he continues to act like this I will be able to relate to him less than I was able to relate to Kaiden on my first playthrough.

Do you liek Grunt ?? Cose Vega do behaves similary to some random Krogan

People like Krogans - why dont like Human acting as one

Grunt likes killing, but he doesn't behave like some stupid bully who likes to start fights because "He's a bad-ass".