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[Sylvius the Mad]

The first thing I want from an RPG is the ability to roleplay a character of my own design.  His personality should not in any way be established by the game's designers.

So, naturally, any game where the character says or does things without direct player control are out.  Also, I'd like to exclude any game that voices the PC, as the tone imparted to each line then violates my rule about direct control,  Until a game lets me choose the tone of a line independently from the line itself, no voices.

So, given that, what's out there?  Obviously sandbox games are more likely to meet this criterion, but even games that aren't sandboxes can.

I have strong preferences on other design aspects as well, but I'm going to set those aside.  I'd just like some recommendations of games that let me design my character's personality from the start and don't later tell my I'm wrong.

[chunkyman]

Skyrim (when it comes out in a month)!

Since you're a silent PC guy,  it will please you to know Bethesda is very committed to keeping that tradition of a silent PC.

Modifié par chunkyman, 17 septembre 2011 - 05:50 .

[Dhiro]

chunkyman wrote...

Skyrim!

Oh, boy.

Have you tried the Ice... Dale... thingie? I've never played it, but videos + pics show me that it kinda looks like BG.

[mesmerizedish]

chunkyman wrote...

Skyrim (when it comes out in a month)!

Since you're a silent PC guy,  it will please you to know Bethesda is very committed to keeping that tradition of a silent PC.

Sylvius is not impressed with Bethesda's inclination toward progressively more action-y combat.

But how about Morrowind? I'm sure you've already played it, but it's still one of the best RPGs I've ever played.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Good responses.

I've played every BioWare RPG, and certainly KotOR meet my standards.

I'm aware of the Elder Scrolls games, but thanks for the suggestion.

Fable, however, didn't really give me much space to roleplay. The main character doesn't really do very much.

I somehow missed Icewind Dale back in the day, and I regret it.

Newer games or Indie games are more likely to be something of which I'm not already aware.

[Sylvius the Mad]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Sylvius is not impressed with Bethesda's inclination toward progressively more action-y combat.

I don't want to worry about that right now.  I'd rather get as many roleplaying suggestions as I can, and then go do research.

Adding more restrictions will just discourage participation.

[Dhiro]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Yeah, I doubt you're going to find many people with more obscure tastes than you, Sylvius.

Eh, Sylvius' tastes aren't really that obscure.

You've played Drakensang, right? If you liked it, there is a prequel.

[Mercuron]

Hmm, I don't know ... Fallout 3, maybe?

[Bryy_Miller]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

The first thing I want from an RPG is the ability to roleplay a character of my own design.  His personality should not in any way be established by the game's designers.

That's literally no game ever.

But you would like Icewind Dale. You create your entire six character party, plus you can write their own backstories.

[bussinrounds]

Fallout 1&2 (get the Restoration project for 2), Icewind Dale 1&2 (hit up Spellbound studios for infinity engine game mods), Vampire:Bloodlines (get the latest unofficial Wesp patch ver 7.6), Temple of Elemental Evil (get the latest Circle of 8 modpack ver 6.0 ?), KOTOR 2 (get the restored content mod and look for some hardcore mods to increase the combat difficulty), Arcanum, Wizardry 6/7/8, Ultima 4-7, Neverwinter Nights 1&2 especially MotB (skip the oc's,hit up the NWN Vault for player created content, and NWN connections for mp), Gothic 2, Morrowind, Knights of the Chalice, D&D Gold Box Games...

[Kronner]

Gothic 2 Gold = awesome RPG

[Sylvius the Mad]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

The first thing I want from an RPG is the ability to roleplay a character of my own design.  His personality should not in any way be established by the game's designers.

That's literally no game ever.

I think most of BioWare's RPGs with unvoiced PCs, BG and KotOR first among them.

But you would like Icewind Dale. You create your entire six character party, plus you can write their own backstories.

Yes, thank you.  As long as the game doesn't contradict you, you can write the backstories for your characters in most games.  A game like NWN, for example, established that the PC was a student at Neverwinter academy, but left to the player details like age, adventuring experience (you could import a higher-level character), and the character's reasons for enrolling in the school.  And once in the game, the PC's motives for doing pretty much anything were never explained by the game, which therefore made those motives available to the player to create.

I actually think the original Dungeon Siege worked quite well.  There wasn't much to the plot, and there weren't many meaningful choices to make, but I would rather have that than have the game tell me why my character is doing something, or have my character behave in a way that is inconsistent with his prior actions or motives.

For example, if my character bases his dealings with a group of pirates as his view of those dealings as a value-neutral business transaction, the game cannot then have my character say or do something that requires he despise those pirates.

As for new suggestions, I'm hoping people will suggest things like Avadon: The Black Fortress (which I haven't played, so I would need you guys to tell me whether it allows largely unfettered roleplaying).

[Sylvius the Mad]

bussinrounds wrote...

Fallout 1&2

Played 'em.  Terrific.

Temple of Elemental Evil

Played it.  It's excellent.

KOTOR 2

Didn't like that at all.  The game kept telling me things about my character which were news to me, and that should never happen.  KotOR2 badly fails to reach my standard.

Wizardry 8

Great game.  Love it.

Ultima 4-7

Perhaps the greatest CRPGs ever.

Neverwinter Nights 1&2 especially MotB

Excellent games.  I'm one of few people who actually really likes the NWN OC.

D&D Gold Box Games...

If it came out in the 1980s, I've played it.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 17 septembre 2011 - 04:48 .

[Xewaka]

Have you tried Arcanum?

[bussinrounds]

You also have great games like X-Com UFO Defense and Jagged Alliance 2 which have great turn based combat and rpg elements.

[Homebound]

try "facade".

[Deathwurm]

Xewaka wrote...

Have you tried Arcanum?

Agreed!

An enormous amount of Customization & dirt cheap on GoG!

Both IWD games are among my all-time favorites! Very much like playing Pen & Paper but all by yourself and good Party-Building choices.

[GodWood]

It's not out yet but Dead State doesn't look too bad.

[Tommy6860]

I bought "Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines". It is true RP at its best. The game came out late 2004, it is SP and you can choose from 7 clans to start with. So far, I have two endings that are completely different. The dialogue is among the best written I have ever experienced. Combat is a little wonky and the AI OK, but there's player supported patches out there that really make this game a treat. I didn't buy the game when ti came out because of my experience with the first release in 2000. But I got this on Steam cheap for $5. The stats to choose from can be overwhelming at times, some battles are tough and a few maps are frustratingly hard to navigate. But, considering your taste in RP (which is very similar to mine), I know you'd love this game.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:15 .

[Cyberarmy]

Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines
Arcanum
Drakensang 1&2
Krondor Series maybe?

Edit: Arx Fatalis and Gothic Series(stay away from 4)
Might and Magics or Dark Sun(very old)/Menzoberranzan

Modifié par Cyberarmy, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:39 .

[bussinrounds]

Wasteland
Darklands
Daggerfall
Realms of Arkania 2/3
Jeff Vogul's games on Spiderweb software
Ultima Underworld 1/2
Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday
Eye of the Beholder trilogy
Magic Candle
Ravenloft 1 + 2
Divine Divinity

Modifié par bussinrounds, 17 septembre 2011 - 10:23 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Xewaka wrote...

Have you tried Arcanum?

Never played Arcanum.  Always knew I should.  Thanks.

bussinrounds wrote...

You also have great games like X-Com UFO Defense and Jagged Alliance 2 which have great turn based combat and rpg elements.

X-Com is a terrific game, but I found it very hard.

"RPG elements" is a meaningless term.

Hellbound555 wrote...

try "facade".

Played it.  The clumsy natural language interface is a significant problem.

GodWood wrote...

It's not out yet but Dead State doesn't look too bad.

That does look good.  Thank you.  That's exactly the sort of suggestion I was hoping to get.

Tommy6860 wrote...

I bought "Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines". It is true RP at its best.

Thank you.  I'll look at that - I know very little about that one.

bussinrounds wrote...

Wasteland
Darklands
Daggerfall
Realms of Arkania 2/3
Jeff Vogul's games on Spiderweb software
Ultima Underworld 1/2
Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday
Eye of the Beholder trilogy
Magic Candle
Ravenloft 1 + 2
Divine Divinity

That's mostly a very old list.

Ultima Underworld is on my list of the 5 best games ever made.

The only non-RPG on my top 5 list is Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, which I love partly because I can roleplay in it, even though it's not a roleplaying game.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 17 septembre 2011 - 04:56 .

[upsettingshorts]

I'm going to step far outside your stated genre preference and recommend the Paradox Interactive strategy games based on your mentioning Alpha Centauri. They aren't RPGs, and you don't create a character. However, they're not really in the business of telling you what you cannot do - instead offering risk and rewards via game mechanics for certain decisions (for example, go to war without cause and you incur infamy, which eventually give countries a free war on you) - and are more about learning how the game works and why so you can achieve the goals you set for yourself.

Europa Universalis III (and expansions) or Victoria 2 (with mods, I can provide a short list) would be where I'd start.

In terms of the already suggested games, I'm also interested in Dead State - so that'd be one. In addition despite its action combat - which is in my mind very similar to The Witcher 2, except with a more rational learning curve and progression - I'd recommend Jade Empire if you haven't played it yet.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 septembre 2011 - 05:03 .