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[PMC65]

Seagloom wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

And then Mass Effect would be just another "bang, bang, shoot em' up' next to Gears Of War type of game.

I OD'ed on DOOM / Wolfenstein and was finished with these types of games. What Mass Effect has done is given a reason to return with the love interests & friendships & story line. Take away that and leave combat .... I wouldn't have bought the game. But that is just me. I am probably in a minority on this.

You missed the part where I noted they could also work on their plots. In other words, the story? Mass Effect is the most story-lite series BioWare has done in my estimation. If hacking out romances meant fleshing out existing characters further, I would take it in a heartbeat. Romance is not why I play these games. It is a part of them, but it should never be the focal point.

Romance is a strong part of the game though. From romance to friendships that is where the connection comes from. I want the all the components of the game to be good and there isn't a main part of this game to me. I have some friends who play for the romance, some for the combat and some for their friendships. The ones that play for the romance/friendships are still re-playing the game while the others who played for the combat have pretty much moved on.

Bioware can either join the herd completely or carve out an even bigger chunk of the RPG section.

I just find it funny how the topic of sex of anykind on this board becomes so heated when how to kill an enemy best doesn't raise an eyebrow. I hear "think of the kids that might play" and it crcacks me up, we are playing a violent game. So stabbing a guy in the neck is ok but showing a breast ...

But that is the society that we live in.

[Omega4RelayResident]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I know both of them well. That's not the point.

The point is, I am completely indifferent to both romances, and in one instance, was actually happy they died.
So, even if one was to determine that both of those romances are objectively of high quality (which might be possible), it still wouldn't matter to me.

I never thought you did not know them. Just emphasizing the context of the two situations. Once again writting makes a big chunk of the difference. Shakespeare could have written it to be more of a cautionary tale if he did not emphasize the love and romance as much as he did. We would view the tale quite differently if he did.

[NeroSparda]

PMC65 wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

And then Mass Effect would be just another "bang, bang, shoot em' up' next to Gears Of War type of game.

I OD'ed on DOOM / Wolfenstein and was finished with these types of games. What Mass Effect has done is given a reason to return with the love interests & friendships & story line. Take away that and leave combat .... I wouldn't have bought the game. But that is just me. I am probably in a minority on this.

You missed the part where I noted they could also work on their plots. In other words, the story? Mass Effect is the most story-lite series BioWare has done in my estimation. If hacking out romances meant fleshing out existing characters further, I would take it in a heartbeat. Romance is not why I play these games. It is a part of them, but it should never be the focal point.

Romance is a strong part of the game though. From romance to friendships that is where the connection comes from. I want the all the components of the game to be good and there isn't a main part of this game to me. I have some friends who play for the romance, some for the combat and some for their friendships. The ones that play for the romance/friendships are still re-playing the game while the others who played for the combat have pretty much moved on.

Bioware can either join the herd completely or carve out an even bigger chunk of the RPG section.

I just find it funny how the topic of sex of anykind on this board becomes so heated when how to kill an enemy best doesn't raise an eyebrow. I hear "think of the kids that might play" and it crcacks me up, we are playing a violent game. So stabbing a guy in the neck is ok but showing a breast ...

But that is the society that we live in.

I find that hiliarious as well.

[Omega4RelayResident]

PMC65 wrote...

Romance is a strong part of the game though. From romance to friendships that is where the connection comes from. I want the all the components of the game to be good and there isn't a main part of this game to me. I have some friends who play for the romance, some for the combat and some for their friendships. The ones that play for the romance/friendships are still re-playing the game while the others who played for the combat have pretty much moved on.

Bioware can either join the herd completely or carve out an even bigger chunk of the RPG section.

I just find it funny how the topic of sex of anykind on this board becomes so heated when how to kill an enemy best doesn't raise an eyebrow. I hear "think of the kids that might play" and it crcacks me up, we are playing a violent game. So stabbing a guy in the neck is ok but showing a breast ...

But that is the society that we live in.

Blame the FCC... Iresponsible Parents that are affraid to talk to their kids about the facts of life... there are a few other things I can blame but I am not going to bring those up because I dont need that kind of flamming. I would be a roast duck at the end of the disscussion.

[Siansonea]

Hey look, it's this thread again.

I really hope BioWare has enough class not to emulate the male-gaze, pandering-to-teenage-boys, soft-porn style of "romance" that Witcher 2 exemplifies. Every time somebody points to those cheesy scenes as "mature", I'm immediately clued in that the person is a) male and pretty young and/or immature. Seriously, as a woman I found those Witcher 2 scenes to be borderline offensive the way they objectified Triss, who is on full display, while simultaneously pulling the Austin Powers camera gag where Geralt's naughty bits are always obscured. And the moaning and panting soundtrack is just HILARIOUS. Seriously, kids, I'm sure you find better ****** fodder out there.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Siansonea II wrote...

Hey look, it's this thread again.

I really hope BioWare has enough class not to emulate the male-gaze, pandering-to-teenage-boys, soft-porn style of "romance" that Witcher 2 exemplifies. Every time somebody points to those cheesy scenes as "mature", I'm immediately clued in that the person is a) male and pretty young and/or immature. Seriously, as a woman I found those Witcher 2 scenes to be borderline offensive the way they objectified Triss, who is on full display, while simultaneously pulling the Austin Powers camera gag where Geralt's naughty bits are always obscured. And the moaning and panting soundtrack is just HILARIOUS. Seriously, kids, I'm sure you find better ****** fodder out there.

Thanks for the sexism there... if I were to be on that level... oh boy the things I would say... but I am not... I am a man and I dont want TW2 sex scenes. My response was on page 3 middle of the page on this thread. Then you can try to lump me in with the degenerates if you see fit.

However once again thank you for the stereotype... now I know if talking to you is worth my time.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 17 septembre 2011 - 10:45 .

[ladyvader]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Romance is a strong part of the game though. From romance to friendships that is where the connection comes from. I want the all the components of the game to be good and there isn't a main part of this game to me. I have some friends who play for the romance, some for the combat and some for their friendships. The ones that play for the romance/friendships are still re-playing the game while the others who played for the combat have pretty much moved on.

Bioware can either join the herd completely or carve out an even bigger chunk of the RPG section.

I just find it funny how the topic of sex of anykind on this board becomes so heated when how to kill an enemy best doesn't raise an eyebrow. I hear "think of the kids that might play" and it crcacks me up, we are playing a violent game. So stabbing a guy in the neck is ok but showing a breast ...

But that is the society that we live in.

Blame the FCC... Iresponsible Parents that are affraid to talk to their kids about the facts of life... there are a few other things I can blame but I am not going to bring those up because I dont need that kind of flamming. I would be a roast duck at the end of the disscussion.

The FCC has no control over video games.  They only regulate over the air tv and radio.  Nothing to do with video games or music or movies.

[slimgrin]

Siansonea II wrote...

Hey look, it's this thread again.

I really hope BioWare has enough class not to emulate the male-gaze, pandering-to-teenage-boys, soft-porn style of "romance" that Witcher 2 exemplifies. Every time somebody points to those cheesy scenes as "mature", I'm immediately clued in that the person is a) male and pretty young and/or immature. Seriously, as a woman I found those Witcher 2 scenes to be borderline offensive the way they objectified Triss, who is on full display, while simultaneously pulling the Austin Powers camera gag where Geralt's naughty bits are always obscured. And the moaning and panting soundtrack is just HILARIOUS. Seriously, kids, I'm sure you find better ****** fodder out there.

That is bullsh*t Sian and you know it. As if adults can't enjoy sex without feeling like naughty little boys and girls...seriously this prudery has to stop.  What the hell do you think sex is really like? It's not armor humping or fade to black, it's much like what TW2 shows it to be.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 septembre 2011 - 10:44 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Hey look, it's this thread again.

I really hope BioWare has enough class not to emulate the male-gaze, pandering-to-teenage-boys, soft-porn style of "romance" that Witcher 2 exemplifies. Every time somebody points to those cheesy scenes as "mature", I'm immediately clued in that the person is a) male and pretty young and/or immature. Seriously, as a woman I found those Witcher 2 scenes to be borderline offensive the way they objectified Triss, who is on full display, while simultaneously pulling the Austin Powers camera gag where Geralt's naughty bits are always obscured. And the moaning and panting soundtrack is just HILARIOUS. Seriously, kids, I'm sure you find better ****** fodder out there.

That is bullsh*t Sian and you know it. As if adults can't enjoy sex without feeling like naughty little boys and girls...seriously this prudery has to stop.  What the hell do you think sex is really like? It's not armor humping or fade to black, it's much like what TW2 shows it to be.

Dude show me one scene where anyone was wearing armor... just one.

[slimgrin]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Hey look, it's this thread again.

I really hope BioWare has enough class not to emulate the male-gaze, pandering-to-teenage-boys, soft-porn style of "romance" that Witcher 2 exemplifies. Every time somebody points to those cheesy scenes as "mature", I'm immediately clued in that the person is a) male and pretty young and/or immature. Seriously, as a woman I found those Witcher 2 scenes to be borderline offensive the way they objectified Triss, who is on full display, while simultaneously pulling the Austin Powers camera gag where Geralt's naughty bits are always obscured. And the moaning and panting soundtrack is just HILARIOUS. Seriously, kids, I'm sure you find better ****** fodder out there.

That is bullsh*t Sian and you know it. As if adults can't enjoy sex without feeling like naughty little boys and girls...seriously this prudery has to stop.  What the hell do you think sex is really like? It's not armor humping or fade to black, it's much like what TW2 shows it to be.

Dude show me one scene where anyone was wearing armor... just one.

Thats what Jack wears when she fights. You know, we all like to get dressed immediately after copulation.

[Omega4RelayResident]

slimgrin wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

That is bullsh*t Sian and you know it. As if adults can't enjoy sex without feeling like naughty little boys and girls...seriously this prudery has to stop.  What the hell do you think sex is really like? It's not armor humping or fade to black, it's much like what TW2 shows it to be.

Dude show me one scene where anyone was wearing armor... just one.

Thats what Jack wears when she fights. You know, we all like to get dressed immediately after copulation.

THIS IS NOT ARMOR! If Freddy Mercury fought crime in the getups he wore on stage people wouldnt call it armor.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 17 septembre 2011 - 10:54 .

[1136342t54_]

slimgrin wrote...

That is bullsh*t Sian and you know it. As if adults can't enjoy sex without feeling like naughty little boys and girls...seriously this prudery has to stop.  What the hell do you think sex is really like? It's not armor humping or fade to black, it's much like what TW2 shows it to be.

I think Sian is arguing agains people claiming Witcher 2 romance scenes are very mature and real. Its not because there is sex in it. Its more because that the sex is more pandering to males since you only see a fully nude female instead of a male. Hell ME1 seems to have done it perfectly. It didn't show much nudity but it did show what they were doing. That is how it sould be.

[ilovemesometurian]

I'm really okay with BioWare romances. They can write a good tasteful romance scene. I like them because I can fill in the gaps after it fades to black. They are classy, romantic and sexy without revealing too much. That's not to say Witcher didn't have sexy scenes. They are both good games and although I prefer Mass Effect's over Witcher, different game atmospheres convey different romance feelings. Hot and steamy bits and ****** features better in Witcher than say in the feel of a BioWare game. Could BioWare probably write a hardcore ass slamming romance scene? Yes. Will they? No. They're definition of romance is more substance rather than show. Where as Witcher's style is to let all hang loose. They are both interesting scene types and I enjoy them both. But classy romance is just BioWare's style. I don't think R-rated ME feels right but that's just me.

Anyway nobody is being "trumped" and BioWare has nothing to be ashamed of. They should be proud they can create such emotion in a game and balance a romance with gameplay so well. Don't belittle a good thing with another good thing, this shouldn't be a competition. Want Witcher scenes, play Witcher.

[Lenimph]

slimgrin wrote...

 As if adults can't enjoy sex without feeling like naughty little boys and girls...seriously this prudery has to stop.  

Well actually a lot of what people find sexually stimulating stems from what they aren't supposed to see or do.  Breasts, for example, are seen in a lot of unindustrialized cultures as baby feeders and not sexualized objects. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 17 septembre 2011 - 10:59 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

We're having this topic again? Oh well, I won't object to this sort of comedy gold...

[slimgrin]

1136342t54 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

That is bullsh*t Sian and you know it. As if adults can't enjoy sex without feeling like naughty little boys and girls...seriously this prudery has to stop.  What the hell do you think sex is really like? It's not armor humping or fade to black, it's much like what TW2 shows it to be.

I think Sian is arguing agains people claiming Witcher 2 romance scenes are very mature and real. Its not because there is sex in it. Its more because that the sex is more pandering to males since you only see a fully nude female instead of a male. Hell ME1 seems to have done it perfectly. It didn't show much nudity but it did show what they were doing. That is how it sould be.

Except Geralt is naked in the sex scenes. We don't need to start down the 'nudity is automatically pandering' road.

And I think a lot of folks here need to realize everyone's concept of romance is different. I'd take TW's romance any day over the PG 13 dry humping nonsense Bioware doles out.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 septembre 2011 - 11:03 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

We're having this topic again? Oh well, I won't object to this sort of comedy gold...

It is comedic.

On one hand, you have some saying nudity / sex / cursing is the epitom of maturity. On the other hand, you have people saying TW2 is for horny emotionally undevelopped teenagers and that's mostly what the game is and who it is for.

So yea, funny ****.

[Weltea]

33percent wrote...

When I first bought Mass Effect I wasn't even aware of Romance in fact I didn't even realize it was RPG. It was my first RPG game I ever bought and played. Anyways in this video..    

   

        As I was debating to get Dragan Age or Witcher, then came across this while youtubing Witcher 2 gameplay. I was sh!t faced when I saw this video. Honestly Bioware this is depressing Witcher 2 puts all of your "Romance" scenes to shame. Seriously Bioware, their (project red) is beating YOU at your own game. You need to step this up a notch OR have a seperate "Uncut" version.

            Most of us are adult about it, but give us something we cannot have. It's "M" for a reason, you might as well take the best out of it. You know Romance in ME and DA drove your sales in millions, you better take back your throne being king sh!t in Romance because you just got Dethroned by Witcher 2, and sad part I haven't even played the game yet.

 Bioware this is what WE the CUSTOMERS want but in Mass Effect 3! Now nude women + Galatic universe + Mass Effect 3= Heaven!

Seriously.....they have complete nudity...just imagine guys freaking out about miranda or ashley. I'll just stop there..Look yes there is Parents out there but at least included a Mass Effect 3 Uncut version for hardcore fans out there.

rotflmao
so romance automatically means nudity/sex? good to know..."an uncut version for hardcore fans"?being a hardcore fan means you want your Mass Effect game to turn into porn?

"WE the CUSTOMERS" also includes women and gay guys,fyi (but thank you for your focus on the nude women in game)
and strange as this may seem to you;people who play the Mass Effect games for the story and not because they don't get laid in real life.
But I'm sure BW feels terrible, that for you, they have been dethroned...

[IronSabbath88]

At this point, I don't care.

If it's ME2 style, fine

If they want to show us blue Asari ass, fine.

I'm good either way.

[slimgrin]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


On one hand, you have some saying nudity / sex / cursing is the epitom of maturity

No one has said that. It obviously isn't the height of maturity, but it is part of what flavors The Witcher.

[1136342t54_]

slimgrin wrote...

Except Geralt is naked in the sex scenes. We don't need to start down the 'nudity is automatically pandering' road.

And I think a lot of folks here need to realize everyone's concept of romance is different. I'd take TW's romance any day over the PG 13 dry humping nonsense Bioware doles out.

ME1 sex scenes aren't necessarily dry humping and I would take those over the others. I'm mostly going by the others descriptions of the Witcher sex scenes in which you see more nudity on the females then Geralt.

[KnightofPhoenix]

slimgrin wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


On one hand, you have some saying nudity / sex / cursing is the epitom of maturity

No one has said that. It obviously isn't the height of maturity, but it is part of what flavors The Witcher.

The op implied it at the very least.
One could appreciate the nudity, sex and cursing, there's nothing wrong with that. But to use sex as an example as to why TW2 is superior to Bioware in terms of romance, is not a convincing argument. It may be superior in sex scenes, but that in and of itself doesn't determine the quality of the romance (it may play a part in it of course).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 septembre 2011 - 11:12 .

[Kathleen321]

I don't really care if there is sex in ME2 cause I don't play for that. If your playing for that your going to be really disappointed.