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[1136342t54_]

MerinTB wrote...
Having not played TW2 yet I cannot comment on the "porn" quality of it's sex scenes but I would wager a week's pay that they are, at worst, soft core porn level (like Emmanuelle or late night on Cinemax.)  Most likely they won't match many of the hard R "mainstream" movies out there like Body Heat or Color of Night.

It depends. I've seen Witcher and recently Witcher 2 scenes. The Witcher scenes didn't seem no more worse than ME2 scenes.  The Witcher is more graphic but it isn't what I would necessarily call the ultimate in maturity or something that Bioware needs. ME1 cutscenes were good enough.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Lenimph wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Depends.
Romeo and Juliette is widely seen as a great romance (I am assuming), but it annoys me.
I am not sure how one can qualify and quantify the quality of a romance, it may be possible. But ultimately, what matters to me is whether I feel something or don't feel annoyed. I don't feel anything, or feel annoyed, that that's not a romance I'd like.

Romeo and Juliette created a connection on a personal level. The politics mixed up in the issue seemed to be trivial next to the romance... therefore it amounted to a tragedy.

:blink:Personal level? They hardly knew eachother... 

No no no... what makes Romeo and Juliet a good romance is their dialog (the written poetic words of Shakespeare).... their actual actions on the other hand are quite stupid and in modern perspective are not of 'love' but of lust, which were often confused back in the day.

Foolishness of youth... etc etc

No I meant the personal level is (You, He, She, Me) not the characters themselves. I was stating that it made a connection with us.

Where Marc and Cleo's relationships was lost in politics and it could not connect as well with us because it was so impersonal when it comes to us the readers / viewers.... yeah they made a movie about it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lenimph wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

"See, how she leans her breasts upon her hand!

O that I were a glove upon that hand,

that I might touch those breasts!"

.....I find that highly unappealing and bordering on disturbing.

fixed:devil:

That at least would be a good depiction of lust.
Like this.

I don't know, for me the best romance is the one with the fewest words.

[slimgrin]

ladyvader wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

so CG ****** = good romance.

good to know.

Well, ****** are pretty romantic in real life. Maybe you disagree.

If you think seeing ****** is romantic than you have a very odd view on what is romantic. 

Well, they certainly are sexy, but then I'm a misogynist pig and all.

Sexy does not equal romance. 

I truly hate to pull the subjective card, I really do....but romance varies with personal taste. I'd love to dally with Triss in the elven ruins, or roll with Liara in ME1. Both are my favorite and most memorable sex scenes, because they were effective, especially in ME1. I mean, I was gunning for that option. No other game had even made me consider it.

[jlb524]

These threads are always funny.

BW doesn't really do sex scenes anyway...they're romance scenes. The focus is on the two characters as individuals and their relationship.

The only bad ones were the DA:O scenes because they did try to show them doing more...it was awful. If they try to show them doing more but with their clothes off, it will still look awful. I don't know why people call the ME2 or DA2 scenes 'awkward dry-humping'....I thought those scenes were well done and they varied dependent on LI. They never showed more than just kissing and then faded to black.

I'd rather they spend more time on what they do now; the romance scene dialog and kissing animations (which don't look too bad) vs. spending time animating incredibly awful looking sex between two video game characters.

If this is just about wanting to see boobies, well....I don't know what to tell you. They don't show it.

[Marionetten]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh. Witcher 2 love scenes? No thanks. Just go back to ME1 please. classy, sensual and mature.

I'm really not understanding what is so sensual, classy and mature about sideboobs. Maybe I'm missing something?

Visually speaking The Witcher 2 destroys everything BioWare has ever produced. That bath scene is gorgeous to look at not only because of the characters but also due to the fantastic environments. Shagging the captain in some drab room with dimmed lights just doesn't compare. In fact, I always found those scenes exceedingly sleazy.

Modifié par Marionetten, 17 septembre 2011 - 11:47 .

[jeweledleah]

Witcher 2 scenes are basically late night Cinemax. most of them are not particularly romantic and there's no relationship to speak of, to preclude them. Triss is probably the only exception and even then.

I've yet to play Witcher 2, so most of my knowledge comes from reading spoilers and seeing vids on youtube. been trying to finish Witcher 1 first (gameplay is... not fun >_> )

the game has a lot to recommend it, interesting choices, good graphic, fleshed out world (considering its based on book series - not surprising). So called romances though? IMO were one of the weaker points of the second game. they felt too much like empty fillers (which lets be honest - they were). there was no point to them, they didn't change the dynamic between the characters and Geralt in any way. they are just... there.

Bioware romances change things. they affect the game, affect the player character beyond notches on their belt. and THAT is not accomplished with explicit sex scenes.

[1136342t54_]

jlb524 wrote...

These threads are always funny.

BW doesn't really do sex scenes anyway...they're romance scenes. The focus is on the two characters as individuals and their relationship.

The only bad ones were the DA:O scenes because they did try to show them doing more...it was awful. If they try to show them doing more but with their clothes off, it will still look awful. I don't know why people call the ME2 or DA2 scenes 'awkward dry-humping'....I thought those scenes were well done and they varied dependent on LI. They never showed more than just kissing and then faded to black.

I'd rather they spend more time on what they do now; the romance scene dialog and kissing animations (which don't look too bad) vs. spending time animating incredibly awful looking sex between two video game characters.

If this is just about wanting to see boobies, well....I don't know what to tell you. They don't show it.

This. I don't really see Bioware doing something like The Witcher scenes. Its not really their cup of tea and ME1 would be as far as they would go nudity wise. 

What is the point in having a Witcher 2 style sex scene? It doesn't really add anything more other than nudity.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 17 septembre 2011 - 11:48 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Maybe Shepard can write his LI a poem or serenade them before he or she bangs his or her LI.

Given my Shepards LIs only fondled each other in the scenes before lights went out and sex was merely implied (probably didn't pick right LI's for those sequences), I got feeling my Shepard has only actually made it to second base upon which his LI's came down with headache. He probably will die a virgin at the end of ME3 if there isn't an actual sex scene instead of implied in ME3.

P.s. Again just jesting.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 septembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

jeweledleah wrote...
Bioware romances change things. they affect the game, affect the player character beyond notches on their belt. and THAT is not accomplished with explicit sex scenes.

They do? I didn't feel my romance with Isabela or Miranda or Tali added much. Ashley did add another dimension to the Virmire choice, but ultimately, she didn't affect the game much either.

It may be more accurate to say they can affect and change your gaming experience. Sure, Morrigan did that to me. But they don't affect the game in any fundamental way.

[Dragoonlordz]

jeweledleah wrote...

Witcher 2 scenes are basically late night Cinemax. most of them are not particularly romantic and there's no relationship to speak of, to preclude them. Triss is probably the only exception and even then.

I've yet to play Witcher 2, so most of my knowledge comes from reading spoilers and seeing vids on youtube. been trying to finish Witcher 1 first (gameplay is... not fun >_> )

You should buy both and play both but especially TW2, I have played both and am of the opinion romance is in the story and told enough well between the two games regarding Triss and Geralt. There is alot of simple screwing but there is also romance.

The sexual scene between Geralt and Triss was good enough imho and some of my playthrough of both games, Geralt always had a thing for Triss. It was mature romance and relationship where sex was part of it and shown to be so this is handled better imho than ME where it's hidden behind fear of incrimination on BSN and media. Sex is part of life and part of relationships and to be shown as such in a game isn't the end of the world unless it is discussed on Bioware Forums.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 septembre 2011 - 11:57 .

[Marionetten]

jeweledleah wrote...

Bioware romances change things. they affect the game, affect the player character beyond notches on their belt. and THAT is not accomplished with explicit sex scenes.

Tell that to George R.R. Martin. The Daenerys scenes were quite important in regards to her character development and wouldn't have had nearly as much impact had he just written "... and then it all faded to black." Sex is a powerful and important theme. It definitely deserves more attention instead of being skimmed over entirely with a gigantic censor bar in fear of offending someone.

[Siansonea]

slimgrin wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

That is bullsh*t Sian and you know it. As if adults can't enjoy sex without feeling like naughty little boys and girls...seriously this prudery has to stop.  What the hell do you think sex is really like? It's not armor humping or fade to black, it's much like what TW2 shows it to be.

I think Sian is arguing agains people claiming Witcher 2 romance scenes are very mature and real. Its not because there is sex in it. Its more because that the sex is more pandering to males since you only see a fully nude female instead of a male. Hell ME1 seems to have done it perfectly. It didn't show much nudity but it did show what they were doing. That is how it sould be.

Except Geralt is naked in the sex scenes. We don't need to start down the 'nudity is automatically pandering' road.

And I think a lot of folks here need to realize everyone's concept of romance is different. I'd take TW's romance any day over the PG 13 dry humping nonsense Bioware doles out.

Yeah, yeah, we see Geralt's bare hips. There may even be a butt shot, I don't remember. But I do remember the long, lingering shots of Triss' stripper-sized gravity-defying boobs, her perfectly waxed landing strip, and her ample bottom. As I'm sure does everyone who's ever seen the clips. Nudity isn't automatically pandering, I agree with that. But this example IS pandering with a capital P. Underlined and bolded. Probably even italic as well.

Do I think Mass Effect 2's scenes are the way to go? No. But do I think the Witcher 2's take is better? NO. I'm not a prude, I'm not a virgin, I know what sex and what sex isn't. And Witcher 2's take on sex is SILLY. I get it, they want guys to be "aroused". Well, bully for you guys. I just find it eye-rollingly OBVIOUS that the only reason those scenes exist is so you guys can get aroused. I'd rather a game not try to so hard to get the boys hard, and actually tell a story. A romantic story is fine, but I'm fine with the scenes ending before things get too nitty-gritty. Five minutes of panting, grunting and "O face" don't really add to my game experience.

[yoshibb]

That's not romance that's just a sex scene with female nudity. Honestly, why do you need this in your game? You can easily get the same thing in 5 seconds from google.

Seriously, there wasn't even really sex in that, just a woman making her clothes disappear. If Bioware put that in their games, I would be pissed. I don't get what's so awesome about computer generated boobs.

Mass Effect's romance scene was perfect. It was tasteful, sweet, and was built around character. That was romance. None of this nudity just for the hell of it crap.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, yeah, we see Geralt's bare hips. There may even be a butt shot, I don't remember. But I do remember the long, lingering shots of Triss' stripper-sized gravity-defying boobs, her perfectly waxed landing strip, and her ample bottom. As I'm sure does everyone who's ever seen the clips. Nudity isn't automatically pandering, I agree with that. But this example IS pandering with a capital P. Underlined and bolded. Probably even italic as well.

Do I think Mass Effect 2's scenes are the way to go? No. But do I think the Witcher 2's take is better? NO. I'm not a prude, I'm not a virgin, I know what sex and what sex isn't. And Witcher 2's take on sex is SILLY. I get it, they want guys to be "aroused". Well, bully for you guys. I just find it eye-rollingly OBVIOUS that the only reason those scenes exist is so you guys can get aroused. I'd rather a game not try to so hard to get the boys hard, and actually tell a story. A romantic story is fine, but I'm fine with the scenes ending before things get too nitty-gritty. Five minutes of panting, grunting and "O face" don't really add to my game experience.

Seriously stop posting I already pointed out that your previous comment was just sexist. But apparently sexism against men is acceptable in todays culture. Keep it up. Keep lumping all men into the same category. Well see how far that gets you.

[Lilunebrium]

Marionetten wrote...

Tell that to George R.R. Martin. The Daenerys scenes were quite important in regards to her character development and wouldn't have had nearly as much impact had he just written "... and then it all faded to black." Sex is a powerful and important theme. It definitely deserves more attention instead of being skimmed over entirely with a gigantic censor bar in fear of offending someone.

I think that is exactly the point many people (including myself) have been trying to make. I don't have any problem with sex scenes, as long as it contributes to something. The contribution can be to anything, character development being the most important one in my opinion. 

Watching the video in the opening post gave me the feeling that scene was added purely for the heck of it.

[KingNothing125]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Seriously stop posting I already pointed out that your previous comment was just sexist. But apparently sexism against men is acceptable in todays culture. Keep it up. Keep lumping all men into the same category. Well see how far that gets you.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[1136342t54_]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Seriously stop posting I already pointed out that your previous comment was just sexist. But apparently sexism against men is acceptable in todays culture. Keep it up. Keep lumping all men into the same category. Well see how far that gets you.

Your response just claimed sexism without proof. You said that Sian's post was sexist. Why? You can't just make claims and act like your right.

Sian was basically saying showing the female mostly nude bits not showing much of the male is pandering. In a way that is correct since we only see the female's nude bits. Hell even most porn is basically directed at men. They may show a penis but is mostly for men to watch.

[Marionetten]

yoshibb wrote...

Mass Effect's romance scene was perfect. It was tasteful, sweet, and was built around character. That was romance. None of this nudity just for the hell of it crap.

Yes, because sideboobs and ass shots are so much more romantic. Did any of you actually play Mass Effect? Here's the Liara sex scene. And guess what, you barely get a peek at Manshep as he's constantly obscured by Liara's squirming body! How is that not pandering to the peanut gallery again?

[slimgrin]

[quote]Marionetten wrote...

I think that is exactly the point many people (including myself) have been trying to make. I don't have any problem with sex scenes, as long as it contributes to something. [quote]

That is what I have been trying to point out. Many gamers don't feel that sex scenes need to contribute to anything at all.

Well...I mangled this post.

Modifié par slimgrin, 18 septembre 2011 - 12:07 .

[Siansonea]

1136342t54 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

That is bullsh*t Sian and you know it. As if adults can't enjoy sex without feeling like naughty little boys and girls...seriously this prudery has to stop.  What the hell do you think sex is really like? It's not armor humping or fade to black, it's much like what TW2 shows it to be.

I think Sian is arguing agains people claiming Witcher 2 romance scenes are very mature and real. Its not because there is sex in it. Its more because that the sex is more pandering to males since you only see a fully nude female instead of a male. Hell ME1 seems to have done it perfectly. It didn't show much nudity but it did show what they were doing. That is how it sould be.

Yeah, pretty much this. I saw the clip of the "pool" scene, as well as the clip of Geralt and Triss waking up in the tent. You see ALL of Triss, every inch of her stripper's body. The camera lingers over her curves, and you can practically hear the "cameraman" masturbating. Do you ever see Geralt's weiner? NOPE. Not that I'd want to, but it would make the pandering at least somewhat equitable. He's even wearing PANTS in the tent scene, if I remember correctly. In the pool scene, Triss' clothes magically disappear as the camera tracks over her assets, and then she and Geralt do it doggie style. Woohoo, that's character development folks.

[LadyBlueSweetie]

This old married lady would like to state for the record that it's certainly not just the young male crowd that enjoys visual porn. That being said, so long as my Jane Shep gets to save the galaxy or die trying, I don't care too much about getting a glimpse of Liara's blue ****** or Joker's ****. I can imagine those assets just fine and turn to fanfic when all else fails.

[Siansonea]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, yeah, we see Geralt's bare hips. There may even be a butt shot, I don't remember. But I do remember the long, lingering shots of Triss' stripper-sized gravity-defying boobs, her perfectly waxed landing strip, and her ample bottom. As I'm sure does everyone who's ever seen the clips. Nudity isn't automatically pandering, I agree with that. But this example IS pandering with a capital P. Underlined and bolded. Probably even italic as well.

Do I think Mass Effect 2's scenes are the way to go? No. But do I think the Witcher 2's take is better? NO. I'm not a prude, I'm not a virgin, I know what sex and what sex isn't. And Witcher 2's take on sex is SILLY. I get it, they want guys to be "aroused". Well, bully for you guys. I just find it eye-rollingly OBVIOUS that the only reason those scenes exist is so you guys can get aroused. I'd rather a game not try to so hard to get the boys hard, and actually tell a story. A romantic story is fine, but I'm fine with the scenes ending before things get too nitty-gritty. Five minutes of panting, grunting and "O face" don't really add to my game experience.

Seriously stop posting I already pointed out that your previous comment was just sexist. But apparently sexism against men is acceptable in todays culture. Keep it up. Keep lumping all men into the same category. Well see how far that gets you.

You ain't the boss of me. Go jump in a lake. If you're not one of the men—or rather BOYS—that I'm talking about, then I suggest you get glad in the same pants you got mad in, pal.

[jeweledleah]

Marionetten wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Bioware romances change things. they affect the game, affect the player character beyond notches on their belt. and THAT is not accomplished with explicit sex scenes.

Tell that to George R.R. Martin. The Daenerys scenes were quite important in regards to her character development and wouldn't have had nearly as much impact had he just written "... and then it all faded to black." Sex is a powerful and important theme. It definitely deserves more attention instead of being skimmed over entirely with a gigantic censor bar in fear of offending someone.

see - R R Martins sex scenes actualy do play a role in the story.  not just Daenerys either.  but in witcher?  its more of the requisit James Bond scene - it adds nothing, but toots at how virile the hero is.  ok.  we get it. 

@ Knight of Phoenix - romancing someone changes the dialogue with them outside of romance.  sometimes, other characters comment on it.  its especialy prevalent in DA, not so much in ME, but it still shows up there.  romances, go a little beyond the wam bam thank you maam

@ Dragonlords, I've been trying to finish Witcher 1 for months. the gameplay is killing me. its just... bad.  the story is good, the characters are interesting, but compared to Witcher's fighting, DA2's parashooting waves and questionable AI is like the best gameplay ever created.  I'm not collecting cards.  I find it utterly pointless.  it adds absolutely nothing to the story.

and if I ever finish Witcher 1 (which is my prerequisite for buying second game), I won't be going for all those hookups either.  andI will skip the scene with Triss.  becasue its a waste of my game time.  its pointless.  its just softcore porn filler that does nothing to advance the story.

[Lilunebrium]

slimgrin wrote...

Lilunebrium wrote...

I think that is exactly the point many people (including myself) have been trying to make. I don't have any problem with sex scenes, as long as it contributes to something.

That is what I have been trying to point out. Many gamers don't feel that sex scenes need to contribute to anything at all.

I know, which is why this particular discussion will never end.