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[slimgrin]

Lenimph wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

This is romance to me. The way Triss arches and exposes her neck, basically  that says ' you can have me' It's a submissive gesture. There's nothing like it in the ME games. 

This is where I would say: Thats because all the woman in ME games are strong, independant and kick ass...

But nah it would be pointless. 

The women in TW2 are equally so, but you would have to play the game to realize that. Triss could burn Geralt to a crisp if she wanted to. She's far more powerfull than him.

Modifié par slimgrin, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:06 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lenimph wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

This is romance to me. The way Triss arches and exposes her neck, basically  that says ' you can have me' It's a submissive gesture. There's nothing like it in the ME games. 

This is where I would say: Thats because all the woman in ME games are strong, independant and kick ass...

But nah it would be pointless. 

I don't know about you, but I felt Jack for instance at her core is very weak, and ends up with a very "emo"esque romance scene, pardon the term. There's little that is strong about her, imo.

I am not sure I get how a woman preferring to be the submissive one in one sex scene, determines her character. I mean Triss has her domination moment in TW1, bordering closely to rape in fact

[KnightofPhoenix]

slimgrin wrote...

The women in TW2 are equally so, but you would have to play the game to realize that. Triss could burn Geralt to a crisp if she wanted to. She's far more powerefull than him.

One could say Ves is strong, if sexual behavior somehow determines that.

[jeweledleah]

1136342t54 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

World is full of them even ours. But shouldn't exclude them from games just because scared of reprisal from certain sections of the media and forums. If it's an adult rated game which has romances and specifically story that involves more mature theme of suxual romances rather than just romance alone, then having such scenes respects the player to be mature enough to handle it or option to skip at press of button for those who can't.

The post is a joke not to be taken serious.

Also just because someone doesn't want to see animated characters get it on doesn't mean they can't handle it. Hell sometimes I skip ME sex scenes because I want to get back to the gameplay or actual dialog.

this.

There is nudity and there is gratuitous nudity. The Witcher falls into
the latter category.

and this
to be fair - ME2 had the same issue.  Miranda's bra and Jacob's abbs were entirely gratuitous.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:07 .

[Xilizhra]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

This is romance to me. The way Triss arches and exposes her neck, basically  that says ' you can have me' It's a submissive gesture. There's nothing like it in the ME games. 

This is where I would say: Thats because all the woman in ME games are strong, independant and kick ass...

But nah it would be pointless. 

I don't know about you, but I felt Jack for instance at her core is very weak, and ends up with a very "emo"esque romance scene, pardon the term. There's little that is strong about her, imo.

I am not sure I get how a woman preferring to be the submissive one in one sex scene, determines her character. I mean Triss has her domination moment in TW1, bordering closely to rape in fact

The fact that Jack's romance is a nightmarish ****fest doesn't make her character in general weak.

[Siansonea]

1136342t54 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

It's nothing new. If somebody thinks they can bully me by calling me "sexist" and dictate what I will and won't say, they have another think coming. I'm a middle-aged woman, I'm not going to let ANYONE bully me. He picked the wrong woman to tangle with.

Then respond back instead of just telling someone go jump in a lake. It is quite possible that person misread your post and you should be attempting to explain to the accuser that you weren't being sexist. By saying that person should go jump in the lake doesn't help the matter it further in flames it. 

It's not my job to be conciliatory. If he misunderstood me, that's his problem. He's the one who chose to interpret that I was talking about "all men" and "all women". And instead of asking "do you think this way of all men and all women?" he just came out guns blazing and accusing me of being "sexist". I'm not going to be intimidated by that sort of thing. And I'm certainly not going to respond to someone who yells at me by apologizing and backpedaling. SO not happening. If somebody wants a fight I WILL GIVE THEM ONE.

[Omega4RelayResident]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

This is romance to me. The way Triss arches and exposes her neck, basically  that says ' you can have me' It's a submissive gesture. There's nothing like it in the ME games. 

This is where I would say: Thats because all the woman in ME games are strong, independant and kick ass...

But nah it would be pointless. 

I don't know about you, but I felt Jack for instance at her core is very weak, and ends up with a very "emo"esque romance scene, pardon the term. There's little that is strong about her, imo.

I am not sure I get how a woman preferring to be the submissive one in one sex scene, determines her character. I mean Triss has her domination moment in TW1, bordering closely to rape in fact

Of course it felt that way... it was the first time she ever opened her self up to anyone in her life. Doing that for the first time is painfull for everyone... moreso when someone leads such an emotionally closed off existance.

[1136342t54_]

Emotionally Jack is weak when she realizes Shepard actually genuinely likes her and she is confused as hell by that. When it comes to fighting she will tear you to shreds.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xilizhra wrote...

The fact that Jack's romance is a nightmarish ****fest doesn't make her character in general weak.

I felt her entire character was weak, and unsubtle.

Killing people, having a shaved head and saying "****" doesn't make you strong in the slightest. I pitied her, aka she is pathetic (not pejoratively), to me.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:07 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

Siansonea II wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

It's nothing new. If somebody thinks they can bully me by calling me "sexist" and dictate what I will and won't say, they have another think coming. I'm a middle-aged woman, I'm not going to let ANYONE bully me. He picked the wrong woman to tangle with.

Then respond back instead of just telling someone go jump in a lake. It is quite possible that person misread your post and you should be attempting to explain to the accuser that you weren't being sexist. By saying that person should go jump in the lake doesn't help the matter it further in flames it. 

It's not my job to be conciliatory. If he misunderstood me, that's his problem. He's the one who chose to interpret that I was talking about "all men" and "all women". And instead of asking "do you think this way of all men and all women?" he just came out guns blazing and accusing me of being "sexist". I'm not going to be intimidated by that sort of thing. And I'm certainly not going to respond to someone who yells at me by apologizing and backpedaling. SO not happening. If somebody wants a fight I WILL GIVE THEM ONE.

Its not my job... or anyone elses as a matter of fact... to walk around on egg shells for you.

[Dragoonlordz]

1136342t54 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

World is full of them even ours. But shouldn't exclude them from games just because scared of reprisal from certain sections of the media and forums. If it's an adult rated game which has romances and specifically story that involves more mature theme of suxual romances rather than just romance alone, then having such scenes respects the player to be mature enough to handle it or option to skip at press of button for those who can't.

The post is a joke not to be taken serious.

Also just because someone doesn't want to see animated characters get it on doesn't mean they can't handle it. Hell sometimes I skip ME sex scenes because I want to get back to the gameplay or actual dialog.

True but it doesn't cost you an arm or leg to have it in game if never wished to skip. To have a mature relationship expressed in game with hand in hand sex is part of almost all adult relationships is never a bad thing if it is an adult rated game which has such relationships. I'm just saying I found CDPR way of handling it far more mature than developers censoring it 'just incase' someone, somewhere is offended by nudity or sex just not offended by ripping someones head off and blood spurting out all over his or her face.

However TW2 handles sex more maturely (imho) it to me does add realism and immersion to the world and the life and death nature of each day of Geralts existance, when deals with world issues such as sex like an adult with option of skipping if does offend. If was a rated 16 game or under than sure might have issue with it but it is an adult rated game as such I'm glad respected me enough for me to make the choice of showing or skipping.

[ladyvader]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Don't care.

I have to wonder though, is anyone else in this thread over 40? Or even over 30? Am I just talking to teens and twentysomethings?

Yes I am 31 but the majority of BSN is 17-27 (I did poll). Sex is part of life, sex is especially important in real life relationships that when a game grants the audience the maturity to 'see' or 'skip' (yet still not be hardcore) then it's more mature than one afraid to do the former.

You poll only has stats from those that took the time to vote and does not mean that everyone here is in that age group.  I know I didn't vote.

[Chromie]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

I guess its fine for every other form of entertainment to show nudity but a game? Oh no its porn.

There is nudity and there is gratuitous nudity. The Witcher falls into the latter category. If you can't see that, then there is no hope for you and you might as well go find a Japanese H-Game to play.

And like I said. It's ok for something like Game of Thrones to have tons of sex when not every single scene is about character developement or important but not for a game? Maybe you should get back to your rock and shield your eyes.

[slimgrin]

1136342t54 wrote...

Emotionally Jack is weak when she realizes Shepard actually genuinely likes her and she is confused as hell by that. When it comes to fighting she will tear you to shreds.

That is exaclty correct, and it's what made Jack unique. Even if I didn't like her, she was a well written character..

[Marionetten]

I really can't help but think that the word gratuitous is being used incorrectly in this debate. Showing skin in a sex scene isn't gratuitous. It's expected. Having your party members all walk around stark naked 24/7 on the other hand...

[1136342t54_]

Siansonea II wrote...
It's not my job to be conciliatory. If he misunderstood me, that's his problem. He's the one who chose to interpret that I was talking about "all men" and "all women". And instead of asking "do you think this way of all men and all women?" he just came out guns blazing and accusing me of being "sexist". I'm not going to be intimidated by that sort of thing. And I'm certainly not going to respond to someone who yells at me by apologizing and backpedaling. SO not happening. If somebody wants a fight I WILL GIVE THEM ONE. 

That is blatantly being confrontational then for little reason. If he accused you then prove him wrong instead of adding to **** flinging contest that no one wants. It takes up posts and part of the discussion that is in the thread. You don't have to apologize or back pedal to respond to someone like that. You just prove them wrong and if they keep accusing when they are proven wrong by your explanation then just ignore them since they won't listen.

[MerinTB]

I'd argue Jack AND Miranda are weak. Considering how powerful / perfect they "are", they have weak personalities and sure cannot handle adversity.
Tali and Samara put Jack and Miranda to shame. Humans females don't represent well in ME2, IMO.

[Chromie]

Xilizhra wrote...
The fact that Jack's romance is a nightmarish ****fest doesn't make her character in general weak.

No her personality does. Just because Triss likes to get some doesn't mean she is weak either.

[Xilizhra]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The fact that Jack's romance is a nightmarish ****fest doesn't make her character in general weak.

I felt her entire character was weak, and unsubtle.

Killing people, having a shaved head and saying "****" doesn't make you strong in the slightest. I pitied her, aka she is pathetic (not pejoratively), to me.

I think the fact that she's actually sane and more or less functional speaks well of her personal strength.

[KnightofPhoenix]

MerinTB wrote...

I'd argue Jack AND Miranda are weak. Considering how powerful / perfect they "are", they have weak personalities and sure cannot handle adversity.
Tali and Samara put Jack and Miranda to shame. Humans females don't represent well in ME2, IMO.

I agree.

I'd argue Samara is intellectually weak like any zealot. So ironically, the shy and awkward one, Tali, ends up being the strongest imo.

[Siansonea]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

It's nothing new. If somebody thinks they can bully me by calling me "sexist" and dictate what I will and won't say, they have another think coming. I'm a middle-aged woman, I'm not going to let ANYONE bully me. He picked the wrong woman to tangle with.

Then respond back instead of just telling someone go jump in a lake. It is quite possible that person misread your post and you should be attempting to explain to the accuser that you weren't being sexist. By saying that person should go jump in the lake doesn't help the matter it further in flames it. 

It's not my job to be conciliatory. If he misunderstood me, that's his problem. He's the one who chose to interpret that I was talking about "all men" and "all women". And instead of asking "do you think this way of all men and all women?" he just came out guns blazing and accusing me of being "sexist". I'm not going to be intimidated by that sort of thing. And I'm certainly not going to respond to someone who yells at me by apologizing and backpedaling. SO not happening. If somebody wants a fight I WILL GIVE THEM ONE.

Its not my job... or anyone elses as a matter of fact... to walk around on egg shells for you.

Then don't dish it out if you can't take it, pal.

[Marionetten]

Lenimph wrote...

This is where I would say: Thats because all the woman in ME games are strong, independant and kick ass...

But nah it would be pointless.

The new Liara is very similar to Triss, actually.

[Dragoonlordz]

ladyvader wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Don't care.

I have to wonder though, is anyone else in this thread over 40? Or even over 30? Am I just talking to teens and twentysomethings?

Yes I am 31 but the majority of BSN is 17-27 (I did poll). Sex is part of life, sex is especially important in real life relationships that when a game grants the audience the maturity to 'see' or 'skip' (yet still not be hardcore) then it's more mature than one afraid to do the former.

You poll only has stats from those that took the time to vote and does not mean that everyone here is in that age group.  I know I didn't vote.

No time like the present. Go Go.