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[Marionetten]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

So yeah, you're saying that only bisexuals and gays are likely to make lewd comments about their own gender, meaning you're effectively discriminating against straights by telling them that they can't or they're objectifying sexist trash. Way to go.

You're not even making any sense anymore. Accept the fact that you made a stupid comment and got called on it and move on with your life.

Modifié par Marionetten, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:02 .

[slimgrin]

Siansonea II wrote...


No comparison. Of course it doesn't help that the voice acting in Witcher 2 is irretrievably bad, the characters have as much depth as a piece of paper. Geralt is a "badass" cliché, Triss is a stripper cliché, and the whole thing comes across like something Zack Snyder would imagine as "female empowerment" à la Sucker Punch.

Triss is bad, Dandelion, not so good. Everyone else is on the same level I've experienced in any Bioware game. The incidental characters are fantastic. And thats just the English vo's. The Polish ones are even better for the main characters.

[MerinTB]

Siansonea II wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
and the whole thing comes across like something Zack Snyder would imagine as "female empowerment" à la Sucker Punch.

Wow.

Sucker Punch is not female empowerment.  It's a statement on the exact kind of exploitation of women in "male dominated entertainment media" that you are attacking here.

Some people read some bad reviews of that film and it's become something of a generally accepted reality that the film was trying to be "female empowerment" when it's the farthest thing from.

sorry, I loved Sucker Punch and I, for one, got what Zack Snyder was trying to do - your mileage of course may vary

Yeah, duh, Sucker Punch ISN'T female empowerment. The main character is lobotomized for helping another girl escape from an asylum, and her "dream world" experiences degrade them even more. Whatever "statement" you think Zack Snyder was trying to make is, I believe, all in your head. I don't think he thought it through that far. It think he just thought it was "hot". The characters are pathetically one-dimensional, and EVERY female in it is a victim of a man in some way, and the only one who escapes is rescued by yet ANOTHER man. So is this some kind of deep-stealth skewering satire? I don't think so.

Did you watch it, or just read reviews?  I'm not going to make assumptions one way or the other.  But either you didn't watch it OR you didn't watch it attentively enough OR your comprehension skills are poor.  Because all the bolded parts are demonstrably wrong.  Your opinionated conjecture are, IMO, quite wrongheaded but stuff like "one-dimensional" could be a matter of opinion so I won't argue that.

Have you read interviews with Snyder where he talks about what he wrote and why?  Or interviews with anyone who worked on the film?  Or even watched it all the way through?

Or is it just an easy target, one that you can pull out for a quick, easy joke?

I'm confident in my ability to understand story and context.  Beyond that, I've got from the horse's mouth what he intended.

You have conjecture.  And an agenda.

You'll forgive me if I find myself no longer wanting to listen to your... opinions.

Modifié par MerinTB, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:07 .

[naledgeborn]

Marionetten wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

So yeah, you're saying that only bisexuals and gays are likely to make lewd comments about their own gender, meaning you're effectively discriminating against straights by telling them that they can't or they're objectifying sexist trash. Way to go.

You're not even making any sense anymore. Accept the fact that you made a stupid comment and got called on it and move on with your life.

What he doesn't know is that I know, that he knows, that I know! Huh?

[Ryzaki]

jlb524 wrote...

This TW2 vs. BW stuff argument is tiring.  They each do their own thing when it comes to sex and romance and if you don't like it, don't play it or don't do the romances.

Future Guy wrote...

I don't see pandering as a bad thing.  It is paid entertainment afterall.

Unless they're pandering to 'teh gays' amirite?

Also this. I rather they stay seperate. You want Witcher love scenes. Play the Witcher. 

And nice one jilb. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Marionetten wrote...
You're not even making any sense anymore. Accept the fact that you made a stupid comment and got called on it and move on with your life.

Yes, it's on the level of someone saying that Bioware promotes bestiality with the surprise me nug choice in the Pearl. 

It's for the lulz you say? Yea, so were Roche's comments.
And between the two, I'd consider bestality to be graver and inappropriate for humor.

There, I can nitpick too and blow it out of proportion.

[Xilizhra]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Marionetten wrote...
You're not even making any sense anymore. Accept the fact that you made a stupid comment and got called on it and move on with your life.

Yes, it's on the level of someone saying that Bioware promotes bestiality with the surprise me nug choice in the Pearl. 

It's for the lulz you say? Yea, so were Roche's comments.
And between the two, I'd consider bestality to be graver and inappropriate for humor.

There, I can nitpick too and blow it out of proportion.

There's a difference in that Western culture doesn't have a mainstream cultural tendency towards bestiality.

[slimgrin]

Xilizhra wrote...

There's a difference in that Western culture doesn't have a mainstream cultural tendency towards bestiality.

O_o

[Xilizhra]

slimgrin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

There's a difference in that Western culture doesn't have a mainstream cultural tendency towards bestiality.

O_o

Why... is that statement surprising?

[Marionetten]

Yeah, I don't foresee this thread heading in good places.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Nvm, abandon ship!

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:15 .

[MerinTB]

slimgrin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

There's a difference in that Western culture doesn't have a mainstream cultural tendency towards bestiality.

O_o

Yeah, on that desperate reach (and my favorite movie of the year getting trounced by ... yeah) I'm outta this shipwreck!

[naledgeborn]

Well thanks, everybody for a somewhat amusing evening. I ain't gotta go home, but I'm sure as hell getting outta here. Peace!

[Complistic]

Xilizhra wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Marionetten wrote...
You're not even making any sense anymore. Accept the fact that you made a stupid comment and got called on it and move on with your life.

Yes, it's on the level of someone saying that Bioware promotes bestiality with the surprise me nug choice in the Pearl. 

It's for the lulz you say? Yea, so were Roche's comments.
And between the two, I'd consider bestality to be graver and inappropriate for humor.

There, I can nitpick too and blow it out of proportion.

There's a difference in that Western culture doesn't have a mainstream cultural tendency towards bestiality.

Modifié par Complistic, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:17 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh. Witcher 2 love scenes? No thanks. Just go back to ME1 please. classy, sensual and mature.

I'm really not understanding what is so sensual, classy and mature about sideboobs. Maybe I'm missing something?

Visually speaking The Witcher 2 destroys everything BioWare has ever produced. That bath scene is gorgeous to look at not only because of the characters but also due to the fantastic environments. Shagging the captain in some drab room with dimmed lights just doesn't compare. In fact, I always found those scenes exceedingly sleazy.

Yes because ME1's build up and dialogue was destroyed by the Witcher's dull barbie doll flat faces.

If anything Biowares titles have more barbie doll faces than WItchers by a truly long way.

You must be joking. I'm not gonna lie and say BW's faces don't hit uncanny valley because by ra they do (hellooo Miranda!) but worse than the Witcher? No way in hell.

I doubt you even played it in fact i would bet money on it given how wrong your response is.

QFT out your arse.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:18 .

[Xilizhra]

Am I missing something here? I didn't even bring up bestiality.

[Ryzaki]

naledgeborn wrote...

Well thanks, everybody for a somewhat amusing evening. I ain't gotta go home, but I'm sure as hell getting outta here. Peace!

Wise. Can I come with? 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xilizhra wrote...

Am I missing something here? I didn't even bring up bestiality.

It was a deliberately silly ultra hyperbole on my part, you were not supposed to take it seriously...

[naledgeborn]

Ryzaki wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Well thanks, everybody for a somewhat amusing evening. I ain't gotta go home, but I'm sure as hell getting outta here. Peace!

Wise. Can I come with? 

As long as you're willing to go to the after party. No debates on misogyny/misandry allowed!

[Heather Cline]

I'm wondering when this thread will be locked.

[Ryzaki]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I doubt you even played it in fact i would bet money on it given how wrong your response is.

QFT out your arse.

*snip* 

Actually I played the first 10 minutes but got so annoyed at the faces (and that dragon raping me) that I quit. And Geralt's voice actor is terrible. I like Meer's voice acting and I was just like ":mellow:" at Geralt's made the game unplayable to me. Not to mention they somehow fumbled paraphrasing more than BW. Now that was a feat. 

And I can find plenty of emotional ME2 faces if I really needed to. A screenshot tells very little. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:22 .