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[Dragoonlordz]

MerinTB wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

There's a difference in that Western culture doesn't have a mainstream cultural tendency towards bestiality.

O_o

I'm outta this shipwreck!

Ditto.

[PsychoWARD23]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh. Witcher 2 love scenes? No thanks. Just go back to ME1 please. classy, sensual and mature.

I'm really not understanding what is so sensual, classy and mature about sideboobs. Maybe I'm missing something?

Visually speaking The Witcher 2 destroys everything BioWare has ever produced. That bath scene is gorgeous to look at not only because of the characters but also due to the fantastic environments. Shagging the captain in some drab room with dimmed lights just doesn't compare. In fact, I always found those scenes exceedingly sleazy.

Yes because ME1's build up and dialogue was destroyed by the Witcher's dull barbie doll flat faces.

If anything Biowares titles have more barbie doll faces than WItchers by a truly long way.

You must be joking. I'm not gonna lie and say BW's faces don't hit uncanny valley because by ra they do (hellooo Miranda!) but worse than the Witcher? No way in hell.

I doubt you even played it in fact i would bet money on it given how wrong your response is.

QFT out your arse.

I fail to see the problem here.

[Dragoonlordz]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I doubt you even played it in fact i would bet money on it given how wrong your response is.

QFT out your arse.

*snip* 

Actually I played the first 10 minutes but got so annoyed at the faces (and that dragon raping me) that I quit. And

Enough said. No longer worthy of debating a game you haven't played for more than 10 minutes.

[Xilizhra]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Am I missing something here? I didn't even bring up bestiality.

It was a deliberately silly ultra hyperbole on my part, you were not supposed to take it seriously...

That only works if the example you're countering is as silly, which it wasn't.

[Dragoonlordz]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

I fail to see the problem here.

True if he was talking about wearing a lot of make up being "barbie" but he wasn't and if he was I would of linked a billion images of women without any from the game.

Like this good looking young lady.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:27 .

[slimgrin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I doubt you even played it in fact i would bet money on it given how wrong your response is.

QFT out your arse.

*snip* 

Actually I played the first 10 minutes but got so annoyed at the faces (and that dragon raping me) that I quit. And Geralt's voice actor is terrible. I like Meer's voice acting and I was just like ":mellow:" at Geralt's made the game unplayable to me. Not to mention they somehow fumbled paraphrasing more than BW. Now that was a feat. 

And I can find plenty of emotional ME2 faces if I really needed to. A screenshot tells very little. 

I played ME2 6 times, and I have to say, TW2 paraphrasing is much better.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xilizhra wrote...
That only works if the example you're countering is as silly, which it wasn't.

I think it was silly yes. Uncharacteristic of hourayforiceecream, but silly nonetheless.

Roche commenting on Triss' ass in a comedic fashion = the entire being misogynist, is silly.  

[Heather Cline]

I'm wondering when this thread will get locked.

[Xilizhra]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
That only works if the example you're countering is as silly, which it wasn't.

I think it was silly yes. Uncharacteristic of hourayforiceecream, but silly nonetheless.

Roche commenting on Triss' ass in a comedic fashion = the entire being misogynist, is silly.  

It was an example.

Though if you want to go back to discussing bestiality, I'm fine with that.

[Siansonea]

MerinTB wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
and the whole thing comes across like something Zack Snyder would imagine as "female empowerment" à la Sucker Punch.

Wow.

Sucker Punch is not female empowerment.  It's a statement on the exact kind of exploitation of women in "male dominated entertainment media" that you are attacking here.

Some people read some bad reviews of that film and it's become something of a generally accepted reality that the film was trying to be "female empowerment" when it's the farthest thing from.

sorry, I loved Sucker Punch and I, for one, got what Zack Snyder was trying to do - your mileage of course may vary

Yeah, duh, Sucker Punch ISN'T female empowerment. The main character is lobotomized for helping another girl escape from an asylum, and her "dream world" experiences degrade them even more. Whatever "statement" you think Zack Snyder was trying to make is, I believe, all in your head. I don't think he thought it through that far. It think he just thought it was "hot". The characters are pathetically one-dimensional, and EVERY female in it is a victim of a man in some way, and the only one who escapes is rescued by yet ANOTHER man. So is this some kind of deep-stealth skewering satire? I don't think so.

Did you watch it, or just read reviews?  I'm not going to make assumptions one way or the other.  But either you didn't watch it OR you didn't watch it attentively enough OR your comprehension skills are poor.  Because all the bolded parts are demonstrably wrong.  Your opinionated conjecture are, IMO, quite wrongheaded but stuff like "one-dimensional" could be a matter of opinion so I won't argue that.

Have you read interviews with Snyder where he talks about what he wrote and why?  Or interviews with anyone who worked on the film?  Or even watched it all the way through?

Or is it just an easy target, one that you can pull out for a quick, easy joke?

I'm confident in my ability to understand story and context.  Beyond that, I've got from the horse's mouth what he intended.

You have conjecture.  And an agenda.

You'll forgive me if I find myself no longer wanting to listen to your... opinions.

Yes, I sat through that boring movie. I seem to recall Sweet Pea being questioned by sinister-looking cops after Baby Doll helped her escape the asylum, and then Scott Glenn The Bus Driver vouching for her, thereby rescuing her from them. And Baby Doll sacrificed herself to save Sweet Pea by drawing attention to herself so Sweet Pea could escape, and was subsequently lobotomized by Don Draper. Did YOU not watch the movie? You've constructed some convoluted subtext to legitimize that blatantly misogynistic tone of the film. If Zack Snyder's subtext is that obscure, it's not subtext.

[Xilizhra]

jreezy wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
That only works if the example you're countering is as silly, which it wasn't.

I think it was silly yes. Uncharacteristic of hourayforiceecream, but silly nonetheless.

Roche commenting on Triss' ass in a comedic fashion = the entire being misogynist, is silly.  

It was an example.

Though if you want to go back to discussing bestiality, I'm fine with that.

You can't deny that it would be a nice change.
Oh dear. My usage of the "can't deny" phrase has made me start imagining a "I Like Big Nugs And I Cannot Lie" song.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:30 .

[zingro]

Jump for joy people while you still can! Hurry!!

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

jreezy wrote...

"Most of us are adult about it…" Then why do you sound so immature?

This.

This isn't the first post and I doubt it will the last referencing The Witcher 2's over the top sex scenes. Softcore Showtime porn in Mass Effect 3 have no place. If the OP want all that wait until 2am and watch Showtime.

And I'm no prude!!  

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xilizhra wrote...
It was an example.

Though if you want to go back to discussing bestiality, I'm fine with that.

As....fascinating as that would be, I'd rather not.

You want a counter example?

Madame Margot, the head of the brothel ends up aiding the Scoia'Tael, potentially committing suicide out of despair and in her notes she said she did that because the men of her city behaved like rabid inhuman dogs that would mistreat her and her girls and treat them like animals. She sided against her race, with mass mudering terrorists, because she couldn't take being abused like that.

That is infinitely more powerful than having Geralt compliment Roche's ass, to please some people.

[slimgrin]

Comparing Sucker Punch to TW2...really?

[Tommy6860]

InB4 the lock:

[Xilizhra]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
It was an example.

Though if you want to go back to discussing bestiality, I'm fine with that.

As....fascinating as that would be, I'd rather not.

You want a counter example?

Madame Margot, the head of the brothel ends up aiding the Scoia'Tael, potentially committing suicide out of despair and in her notes she said she did that because the men of her city behaved like rabid inhuman dogs that would mistreat her and her girls and treat them like animals. She sided against her race, with mass mudering terrorists, because she couldn't take being abused like that.

That is infinitely more powerful than having Geralt compliment Roche's ass, to please some people.

And then they ****ed it up with the fixed unlikeable protagonist. Plotwise, I would genuinely like to play this, and I admit to a certain amount of bitterness about its other flaws that would prevent me from doing so.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xilizhra wrote...
And then they ****ed it up with the fixed unlikeable protagonist. Plotwise, I would genuinely like to play this, and I admit to a certain amount of bitterness about its other flaws that would prevent me from doing so.

I like it because it's a fixed protagonist, and I like him. Had it been an awkward middle character like Shepard or Hawke, I would not have enjoyed it as much as I did.

I understand not wanting to play it, no one is forcing you to. But as a fan of the game, I feel I should clarify certain misconceptions.

There are other things more worthy of discussing than a random compliment of a woman's ass.
For instance some deem the scene with Dethmold and one with Philippa to be homophobic. I strongly disagree, but it would be a more intelligent discussion than what we are having now. 

[slimgrin]

jreezy wrote...

 It's sad that some people think nudity equals a mature romance. 

I hate to kill your childhood here, but nudity is a part of mature romance.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

BW's romance progression and the Witcher 2's sex scenes?

Why not have both?