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[slimgrin]

I didn't find the actual sex scene with Triss romantic, more like a casual romp between good friends. It's meant to be informal. What she says afterwards though is quite touching and very important to the plot. Just like in TW1, she's insisting Geralt make a choice.

Bioware is more PG13 than R, so I don't expect to find out if Asari have pubic hair, but it would be nice if they'd at least return to ME1 style of romantic interludes.

Bearbeitet von slimgrin, 17 September 2011 - 05:42 .

[Xeranx]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Okay, a few things.

1. Romance doesn't equal nudity. You want genitalia? Go to your nearest computer.

It doesn't equal sex either.

2. Bioware have characterisation. The romance scenes don't revolve around a lady stripping for the player character. That is, there's more to the relationship than sex and titilation for the player.

That scene isn't about Triss stripping for the player.  Triss is stripping for Geralt...her significant other.  It's about there being a level of comfort between both Geralt and Triss.  Notice the playfulness displayed by both.  That's usually not something someone does with someone they've just met.  

Bioware has characterisation, but it also makes beelines towards sex in its games of late (not that sex hasn't been the ultimate goal before).   There's little to no romance involved in the romance arcs.  I honestly felt like sex was payment in ME2 for helping a squadmember out with their problems.  The one that comes closest to a romance is Kelly with there being a dinner and her offering to look after your fish.  Garrus probably fits in there as well.  The one that would have benefitted from a true romance is Tali, but one got physical as well.  

With you and others characterizing the OP as immature I don't see how you can justify your position knowing that this juvenile display (lack of respect for the romance arcs) is present in at least the last few games that have come out from Bioware.  

[ipgd]

I would be perfectly happy if Bioware never did anything more explicit than a fade to black again, because watching two 3D models clip into each other will never be sexy.

Badly done porn is pretty much the antithesis of sexy, which is what all 3D sex scenes are.

[AdmiralCheez]

ipgd wrote...

I would be perfectly happy if Bioware never did anything more explicit than a fade to black again, because watching two 3D models clip into each other will never be sexy.

Badly done porn is pretty much the antithesis of sexy, which is what all 3D sex scenes are.

Requoting for truth.

[Seagloom]

BioWare already beat itself at its own game. Their sex scenes have only gone downhill since the first Mass Effect. The Witcher 2's scenes are not what I would call realistic. At best they are a poor imitation of Hollywood movies.

What I would like to see, not that anyone asked, is an organic approach to sex. None of this "and then passion overtakes them" nonsense that is almost always played as a climax but ends up feeling like an anticlimax in practice. Of course, that in itself requires modifying said approach to romantic relationships in general. If BioWare can learn anything from Triss and Geralt's awkward relationship, it is to make their sex scenes less goal oriented. With the exception of a few characters between DAO and DA2, they all come across that way. It feels like sex is less about watching your character connect with their partner than seeing the finale to another quest.

The only thing missing is a crude journal entry with a message congratulating the PC on successfully boffing a party member. But then, we did get achievements for that in past BioWare games. Maybe I am being too generous.

[slimgrin]

I think fade to black is pretty 1950's, I'd honestly laugh if they did that. Triss' striptease and sex with Liara are both very well done. So I have to disagree with those saying all videogame sex scenes are bad.

Bearbeitet von slimgrin, 17 September 2011 - 05:59 .

[Mondo47]

Zjarcal wrote...

Yes, sex scenes and full frontal nudity are exactly what define a romance. Oh dear...

This. If presenting "romance" for you hinges entirely on bare asses and nipples, you're fourteen or need to get out of your room once in a while - go brave that daylight!

If BioWare were wanting to present graphic sex, then sure, they're being coy (probably understandably considering the way certain sections of the reactionary press reacted to a sci-fi game having people getting it on in it, and the most we got there was a little alien sideboob yet they reacted like BioWare were handing out copies of Deep Throat to our kids). But if we're wanting to present something that's more about emotional attachment, empathy, affection,  hell, you don't even have to get undressed to communicate a little passion... romance is about communication, not exchanging bodily fluids. It might lead to exchanging bodily fluids, but that's never going to be the be-all-end-all of "romance."

[JamieCOTC]

Wow. That was bad. Makes some of the worst BW romances look like Doctor Zhivago.

[ObserverStatus]

slimgrin wrote...

I think fade to black is pretty 1950's, I'd honestly laugh if they did that. Triss' striptease and sex with Liara are both very well done. So I have to disagree with those saying all videogame sex scenes are bad.

works for me at least with fade to black, you can imagine that there wasn't any dry humping, or uncanny valley-effect inducing strip teases. besides, this method frees up more resources so they can make more kinds of things for Shepard to kill.

Bearbeitet von bobobo878, 17 September 2011 - 06:08 .

[WoolyJoe]

Mondo47 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Yes, sex scenes and full frontal nudity are exactly what define a romance. Oh dear...

This. If presenting "romance" for you hinges entirely on bare asses and nipples, you're fourteen or need to get out of your room once in a while - go brave that daylight!

If BioWare were wanting to present graphic sex, then sure, they're being coy (probably understandably considering the way certain sections of the reactionary press reacted to a sci-fi game having people getting it on in it, and the most we got there was a little alien sideboob yet they reacted like BioWare were handing out copies of Deep Throat to our kids). But if we're wanting to present something that's more about emotional attachment, empathy, affection,  hell, you don't even have to get undressed to communicate a little passion... romance is about communication, not exchanging bodily fluids. It might lead to exchanging bodily fluids, but that's never going to be the be-all-end-all of "romance."

^This-this

[Tokion]

In my opinion, if a game included a sex scene they should do it right. 'Dry humping' and the overuse of cloth in these moments really makes me think Bioware just want to avoid the contraversy with what FOX did to mass effect 1. Bioware would never admit to this of course.

At least in DA2 the scenes seems to be more unique and stylish. The dry humping in DAO was really weird.

Bearbeitet von Tokion, 17 September 2011 - 06:13 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

33percent wrote...

Quite honestly I watched half of it, until my friend she mentioned watch the rest where it has sex scenes in the end. it was like a literally a mini romance porno. They so can do it in Mass Effect, hell why not just have a cut or uncut version for the game.

If Bioware does what Witcher 2 does for their romances that is one hell of a customer service. How the hell does it trump? all it is kiss, hug, and cuddle bullsh!t.

Dude the 80's are over you dont need full frontal nudity anymore.

1) If you complete all the sidequests in the game... the game becomes long enough already... I dont need another 30 minutes of romance scenes to kill time.

2) Most of us are adults yes... but kids play this too. Its the parents job to explain sex to kids in an awkward fashion. If not the parents its the schools. It's not BioWares job to explain sexualaity and the dynamic of human relationships to kids.

3) If I had a kid and they came to me and told me... "Dad I need to ask you something. I had sex for the first time the other day. There was no pink mist around us though and her eyes didnt go all black... did I do something wrong?" At that point you better believe I might be pissed at BioWare. That would straight up confuse a kid. BioWare pushed the limits of adult themes in a tastefull manner so far. If ME3 has a PoV porn scene I will be disappointed in their level of maturity.

4) Later in the thread you yourself agreed with someone that "romance =/= sex / nudity" so if you agree with that why keep arguing this is what you want?

5) People even as adults have different tastes in what is sexy. For most guys a mini-skirt and a tanktop that is obviously to small to contain... well you know... is sexy but "trashy sexy" its all about the physical response to seeing as much skin as possible without actually being nude. I my self find that a nice long elegant dinner dress that hugs the body well is "classy sexy" it leaves more to the immagination... which to me = OMG MUST HAVE! There is something about "classy sexy" that will never be beaten by "trashy sexy". Which brings me to my next point.

6) Are you telling me you want to canonise the lovemaking between Shep and the LI? Most people want their Shep to not become canonized by the movie that was recently announced. Why then canonize sex? I know that sounds odd but hear me out. Would you feel better knowing that Ash likes to be on top and a 69, where Liara likes missionary and doggie? Or would you like to leave it to the immagination... and basically believe that when in love anything is possible... I like this choice the best.

So I went into a lot of detail to debate you. Too much detail maybe. It doesnt change that a good amount of people may still disagree with you. If you want more nudity go play Lesiure Suit Larry or some game like that.

Bearbeitet von Omega4RelayResident, 17 September 2011 - 06:17 .

[slimgrin]

bobobo878 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I think fade to black is pretty 1950's, I'd honestly laugh if they did that. Triss' striptease and sex with Liara are both very well done. So I have to disagree with those saying all videogame sex scenes are bad.

works for me at least with fade to black, you can imagine that there wasn't any dry humping, or uncanny valley-effect inducing strip teases. besides, this method frees up more resources so they can make more kinds of things for Shepard to kill.

Can you imagine every single 'romance' in the game ending with fade to black? It would be a joke and I guarantee Bioware at least knows better than that. 'Gee, what will I see this time? oh yeah...fade to black.' 

This is obviously a subjective topic, but my definition of romance is definitely more casual and playfull so I'll take TW2's and ME1's scenes any day. To me they are far more realistic.

Bearbeitet von slimgrin, 17 September 2011 - 06:18 .

[Lenimph]

Oh maker... not the hidden fountain scene... NOT THE FOUNTAIN SCENE

Bearbeitet von Lenimph, 17 September 2011 - 06:17 .

[ObserverStatus]

slimgrin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I think fade to black is pretty 1950's, I'd honestly laugh if they did that. Triss' striptease and sex with Liara are both very well done. So I have to disagree with those saying all videogame sex scenes are bad.

works for me at least with fade to black, you can imagine that there wasn't any dry humping, or uncanny valley-effect inducing strip teases. besides, this method frees up more resources so they can make more kinds of things for Shepard to kill.

Can you imagine every single 'romance' in the game ending with fade to black? It would be a joke and I guarantee Bioware at least knows better than that. 'Gee, what will I see this time? oh yeah...fade to black.' 

This is obviously a subjective topic, but my definition of romance is definitily more casual and playfull so I'll take TW2's and ME1's scenes any day. To me they are far more realistic.

assuming that you only view one per playthrough, yeah, that sounds tolerable. less of a joke than DA:O's love scenes >_<

Bearbeitet von bobobo878, 17 September 2011 - 06:18 .

[Ianamus]

If I want to see that sort of thing then I go to a website and watch real people doing it, not creepy video game characters who don't look quite right.

Bearbeitet von EJ107, 17 September 2011 - 06:22 .

[100k]

While I wouldn't mind nudity in ME games, I fully accept that most of the fans are way too immature to deal with it.

"Ooooh dey show'ded Miranadads's boobies, now i cant take herr seriusly as karachter becuz my penis gets sick annnnd throws up when i thinkses about her".

I noticed that there seem to be a lot of "basement dwellers" here. People who have no idea about how social, sexual, mental, and political issues work in the real world, so they stay inside all day and troll this forum.

[Omega4RelayResident]

slimgrin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I think fade to black is pretty 1950's, I'd honestly laugh if they did that. Triss' striptease and sex with Liara are both very well done. So I have to disagree with those saying all videogame sex scenes are bad.

works for me at least with fade to black, you can imagine that there wasn't any dry humping, or uncanny valley-effect inducing strip teases. besides, this method frees up more resources so they can make more kinds of things for Shepard to kill.

Can you imagine every single 'romance' in the game ending with fade to black? It would be a joke and I guarantee Bioware at least knows better than that. 'Gee, what will I see this time? oh yeah...fade to black.' 

This is obviously a subjective topic, but my definition of romance is definitely more casual and playfull so I'll take TW2's and ME1's scenes any day. To me they are far more realistic.

I love how when people talk about "dry humping" they make it sound like its a sin against humanity. Sorry but good romance still involves foreplay... "dry humping" may be a part of foreplay for some people. Romantic sex in my eyes =/= "lets have a quickie".

[ObserverStatus]

EJ107 wrote...

If I want to see that sort of thing then I go to a website and watch real people doing it, not creepy video game characters who don't look quite right.

^^^QFT, uncanny valley FTL

[Spatchmo]

I am offended by that Witcher 2 video, not because of the sexual content, but because it sounds like they are stuck in a highway rest stop with a leaking toilet. Every time one of them splashes in the water, it sounds like a toilet plunger.

[Lenimph]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...


I love how when people talk about "dry humping" they make it sound like its a sin against humanity. Sorry but good romance still involves foreplay... "dry humping" may be a part of foreplay for some people. Romantic sex in my eyes =/= "lets have a quickie".

PFFT dry humping with a guy is a quickie 

[ObserverStatus]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

I love how when people talk about "dry humping" they make it sound like its a sin against humanity. Sorry but good romance still involves foreplay... "dry humping" may be a part of foreplay for some people. Romantic sex in my eyes =/= "lets have a quickie".

But in DA:O, dry humping wan't just the foreplay, it was the whole thing.

[Omega4RelayResident]

bobobo878 wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

I love how when people talk about "dry humping" they make it sound like its a sin against humanity. Sorry but good romance still involves foreplay... "dry humping" may be a part of foreplay for some people. Romantic sex in my eyes =/= "lets have a quickie".

But in DA:O, dry humping wan't just the foreplay, it was the whole thing.

And you wonder why I didnt play DA.... lolz

[naledgeborn]

What's wrong with quickies? As long as it's not what the entire relationship consists of I see no problem. Especially in the laundry room, or the kitchen, or the wait what were we talking about again?