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[slimgrin]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

It sure didn't make Geralt or Triss more compelling, and that wasn't romance. In my opinion, it was bad VA + a romp in a pool. I'd actually have to care about the characters for it to qualify as being romantic, and I didn't care about them at all. Sure, BW should handle the romance scenes more along the lines of ME1, but I'd still take BW romances (even sans skin) over the soulless crap in The Witcher.

What's wrong with souless, casual sex?

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:46 .

[Lilunebrium]

Felidae_5 wrote...

Lilunebrium wrote...

33percent wrote...
   

...I'm sorry, but I fail to see the appeal here. I never played The Witcher, so perhaps I'm missing context here, but the protagonist and a girl fall into ruins, aaaand instead of trying to find their way out of it, they suddenly decide it'd be the perfect time to have sex?

I've never seen a more perfect example of fan service than this one.

Well.. Shepard dryhumping Miranda in the engine room just before engaging in a mission to save humanity isn't very realistic either, is it?

I never said it was, did I?

[csfteeeer]

slimgrin wrote...
What's wrong with souless, casual sex?

who knows.

[Atakuma]

Lenimph wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

They're just dancers though there isn't any actual stripping which means they aren't getting any of my hard earned (found in a crate) credits.

You can totally tip the dancers in ME2...

The dancers remind me of the kind they have in Vegas at the casinos.  They aren't stripping but they're still there to get you worked up and allured. 

I know you can tip them, I was just being facetious.

[billy the squid]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

^ Yes I suppose TW2 does not have "romance" in the sense of lovey dovey hand holding, but you arealready in a relationship with Triss at the begining of TW2, one can chose to play Geralt promiscuously, but again it is an option. You can go after Triss when she is kidnapped by Letho and the Nilfgardians, potentially pitching the Northern Kingdoms into even more turmoil if you really want to. The equivalent of being a soppy romantic in the world of The Witcher.

Maybe your idea of a relationship is two people doing an awesome job of pretending that there isn't one, but mine isn't.

Giving Triss a rose before falling into the Elven baths?

As I said there is no hand holding and lovey doveyness in the game, nor the standard style romances which seems to be the staple of Bioware's games. But, I don't need to be figuratively beaten over the head with "I love you" scenes to realise that there is a relationship  between Geralt and Triss, whether you want to sleep around or stay faithful and potentially have things develop into something in the future is up to you, but there is no encapsulation of the relationship in the game, it remains open ended.

The issue I have is that the inital relationship you may have had in TW1 isn't handled well.

[Seagloom]

slimgrin wrote...

What's wrong with souless, casual sex?

I believe that was covered in the first sentence. It is not romance, nor romantic.

Modifié par Seagloom, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:49 .

[Atakuma]

slimgrin wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

It sure didn't make Geralt or Triss more compelling, and that wasn't romance. In my opinion, it was bad VA + a romp in a pool. I'd actually have to care about the characters for it to qualify as being romantic, and I didn't care about them at all. Sure, BW should handle the romance scenes more along the lines of ME1, but I'd still take BW romances (even sans skin) over the soulless crap in The Witcher.

What's wrong with souless, casual sex?

The awkward silence afterward

[Costin_Razvan]

The issue I have is that the inital relationship you may have had in TW1 isn't handled well.

Now that's a pure understatement. One romance you could have in TW1 was completely ignored!

[KnightofPhoenix]

hoorayforicecream wrote...


I don't remember using the word fact in my post. Do I need to go back and edit in the words "in my opinion"? Or are you just strawmanning? 

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Maybe your idea of a relationship is two people doing an awesome job of pretending that there isn't one, but mine isn't.

That certainly implies it (as in, they are pretending there isn't one as a fact). So yes, add "imo" at least once.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:52 .

[mousestalker]

Quick question: What is a "ducebag"? Is it a misspelling of dice bag or is it a bag for deposed Italian dictators?

I'm a confused halla...

[Wulfram]

Lenimph wrote...

The asari strippers add authenticity to the enviroments and Jethann is a wh*re in a wh*re house. How shocking!

But it is Bioware's choice that all of their games seem to feature a strip joint or brothel.  Which I do find mildly annoying, actually.

[csfteeeer]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The issue I have is that the inital relationship you may have had in TW1 isn't handled well.

Now that's a pure understatement. One romance you could have in TW1 was completely ignored!

Maybe they didn't wanted to put teenage-looking people naked in the game....

Shani Looked VERY underaged.

[AtreiyaN7]

slimgrin wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

It sure didn't make Geralt or Triss more compelling, and that wasn't romance. In my opinion, it was bad VA + a romp in a pool. I'd actually have to care about the characters for it to qualify as being romantic, and I didn't care about them at all. Sure, BW should handle the romance scenes more along the lines of ME1, but I'd still take BW romances (even sans skin) over the soulless crap in The Witcher.

What's wrong with souless, casual sex?

Nothing's wrong with it, but the OP implies that it was romance (in the very title of this thread, etc.), and it wasn't in my opinion. If I want to see soulless, casual sex, I watch actual porn for those purposes.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:58 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lenimph wrote...

 The nug in the pearl...  was humor... not fanservice. (more like an easter egg than anything else)

The asari strippers add authenticity to the enviroments and Jethann is a wh*re in a wh*re house. How shocking!

Humor is fanservice.

And yes, hence me saying "I am being silly", which is what most people here are doing.

[Atakuma]

csfteeeer wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The issue I have is that the inital relationship you may have had in TW1 isn't handled well.

Now that's a pure understatement. One romance you could have in TW1 was completely ignored!

Maybe they didn't wanted to put teenage-looking people naked in the game....

Shani Looked VERY underaged.

I'm pretty sure they just didn't want to make the effort.

[slimgrin]

Seagloom wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

What's wrong with souless, casual sex?

I believe that was covered in the first sentence. It is not romance, nor romantic.

But people are looking for romance where there isn't any. There's sex in TW2, lots of it. There is very little romance in the game. These are all predefined characters CDPR is working with, and Geralt likes to sleep around; hell, his main love hasn't even made an appearance yet. Should Bioware take this approach? No. It's counter to the way they write characters. Should they show skin and more realistic sex scenes? Hell yes. Having people cuddling in their armor is a joke and I hope they don't do that in ME3.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:56 .

[hoorayforicecream]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That certainly implies it (as in, they are pretending there isn't one as a fact). So yes, add "imo" at least once.

The word "idea" usually denotes an opinion. I mean... your idea vs my idea, that sure doesn't scream 'my fact vs your fact' to me. But sure, IMO the relationship was terribly handled, detracted from the game, and reinforced the powerlessness of the player to affect the character. IMO, it was an example of misogynistic writing, bad pacing, and a huge disappointment. IMO, it was an awful example of romance in the genre, and I regret spending my money to buy the game.

Cool?

slimgrin wrote...

But people are looking for romance where there isn't any. There's sex in TW2, lots of it. There is very little romance in the game. These are all predefined characters CDPR is working with, and Geralt likes to sleep around; hell, his main love hasn't even made an appearance yet. Should Bioware take this approach? No. It's counter to the way they write characters. Should they show skin and more realistic sex scenes? Hell yes. Having people cuddling in their armor is a joke and I hope they don't do that in ME3.

Isn't the topic of the thread "romance in games", not "sex in games"?

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:57 .

[Xeranx]

Ciryx wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

I think they mean that the dude's "Cash and Prizes" were not shown in those movies. Get my meaning there? What guys tend to forget is that when women admire a man... they do tend to take in the "whole" man rather than just the naughty bits. Men tend to focus on two things for the most part. Thats why we are always caught oggling or not looking directly into her eyes when we are talking LOLz.

I am talking trends here... I dont mean that women can go without seeing the bananna and grapes, and that men only see T & A.

So you basically agree that the "wrong" is on the end of the viewer? ;D

I am not to sure though, but I dont think you see any nippels, vaginas or other full frontal nudity in Hollywood movies if it isnt for Adults only. Americans are quite frigid in that regard. 
Imo display wise there isnt much of a difference between genders. (Well aside the fact that most females play supporting roles in the average Hollywood production and are thus just there to look good) 

The main problem here IMO is that this shizz is discussed in the first place. Or rather, needs to be discussed. If a movie/game takes its characters just serious and doesnt focus on shallow things like nakedness this kind of discussion wont be neccacery. Or did anyone of you complain that Marion Cotillard wasnt naked in Inception? Think about it. That movie was as mature as it can get, all without nudity and the romance in it was still very important. Same with Nolans Batmanmovies. 

The fact that you equate nakedness with shallow is an issue, and I'm afraid it's one you would have to reconcile with before you can join a discussion on the subject.

Nakedness isn't shallow in comparison to the perception of nakedness.  Suggestive messages in clothing are a great deal more shallow than nakedness will ever be.  When nudity is displayed it's just there, but there's an entire industry whose goal it is to sell clothes to women that suggests form and offers titilation.  Do you think a low-cut blouse is more conservative than outright nudity?  Where female nudity makes a statement - this is the female form or these are breasts for topless, that low-cut blouse asks if any random viewer is paying attention - do you know there are breasts here?  

Looking back at the reporter who was hassled after a football game, do you think she would have been hassled half as much if she was just naked rather than wearing the jeans she wore?  And to illustrate the point I'm trying to make even more: imagine those football players having a party at the Playboy mansion.  While so many women and some men think pornography degrades women those models (and many pornstars in fact) would have gotten so much more respect than that reporter did.  What does that say?

[NeroSparda]

Are we actually arguing/debating about sex/porn here? I think we are... We should move on.

[KnightofPhoenix]

slimgrin wrote...
These are all predefined characters CDPR is working with, and Geralt likes to sleep around; hell, his main love hasn't even made an appearance yet.

I disagree. My Geralt didn't sleep around, and since he remembers nothing of Yennefer, she doesn't qualify as his man love anymore.

Geralt can be a guy who likes to sleep around. Or be genuinely faithful to Triss. And love her to an extent, though obviously the revelations in the games are going to sour it to say the least.

Geralt is in no way predetermined to screw around.

[billy the squid]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The issue I have is that the inital relationship you may have had in TW1 isn't handled well.

Now that's a pure understatement. One romance you could have in TW1 was completely ignored!

I haven't played through all romances in TW1, but I think the point is quite clear.

[KnightofPhoenix]

hoorayforicecream wrote...


The word "idea" usually denotes an opinion. I mean... your idea vs my idea, that sure doesn't scream 'my fact vs your fact' to me.

"Your idea that a romance well done is one where they pretend it's not there", implies that it not being there is a fact. You are saying it's valid that one thinks it's a good romance, but it's still factual that it wasn't shown. That's what I understood.

I thought it was shown.

Cool?

Yea.