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[Ulous]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...


But in some cases it can be used to upgrade a weak human into average.

Yes but how can such a thing happen when it would be based on one persons perception of what is weak and what is average? And who decides that? What if somebody is strong in mind but weak in body and/or vice versa? Then what?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

This Vaccines Will make viruses more powerful and finally screw us through evolved microbes!

[Ulous]

Luc0s wrote...

You forget one thing. The police will always have acces to better tools than you do. It's also the case in the video-game Deus Ex. The police has exclusive augmentations that are better than your average augmentations you can buy on the market.

So if you'd throw a car at the police with your augmented arms and spine, the police could simply smash it back at your with their better-agumented arms and spines.

Yes and then we end up with a smashed up world.

[KenKenpachi]

Most of those examples are pretty stupid and limited. As in the shots I have no choice as a kid, and Medicines are to help with a sickness, not ment to push you to the next level. As to calculators, it may surprise you I actully did in Officer training fully by hand and paper and was as good as a GPS System. Maybe not as fast, but not slow enough for it not to be useable. As to tools and machines thats not the same as replacing body parts like your a car. Which is funny given how much in the last topic you brought up nature and how far we are from it.

I mean I don't see many bionic animals running around.

Yeah and at the end of the day what good is that power if I'm willing and able to kill you? Or if I don't care what happens to myself so long as I take you with me? Tenacity and fighting spirit can not be given to you by a machine. The fighters will is something your born with, not earned. So what good is it?

None. You can give a man the power of the gods, but without the will of the warrior he is nothing.

Luc0s wrote...

Ulous wrote...

Yes but if you stabbed your neighbours the police would come and bust yer ass, if you could throw cars you would not fear such a thing because you could throw cars at them as well, having a knife would not give you enough power to overcome law enforcement.

You forget one thing. The police will always have acces to better tools than you do. It's also the case in the video-game Deus Ex. The police has exclusive augmentations that are better than your average augmentations you can buy on the market.

So if you'd throw a car at the police with your augmented arms and spine, the police could simply smash it back at your with their better-agumented arms and spines.

And thats bull****, I'm better armed, trained, and equiped than the local police force. Hell and not the only one. And **** I'm the LEAST in that reguard among some in my area,  a guy named Bob down the road from me has a class 3 permit and a ****ing Anti Tank Gun, and HE scares me. Mainly as he's always drunk, seeing ****, and owns a **** load more weapons than me, though he's rich and mentally sane so he gets to have all of that ****.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:39 .

[jacquesct]

 

KenKenpachi wrote...

As to the knife heh, you might not, I might not, but a guy I know would set people on fire for the hell of it, and is from a rich family and can get away with it, him I wouldn't want to give any superpowers too.

Also what Ulous said in the below post. Its like owning an assualt weapon, you can challange the police if you wish and win if all they have are pistols.


Oh well apperantly and thankfully it was called off, there is a link on some nutjob site that keeps acting like its happening, but it only tracks back to a few credible sources or outdated web links, I will not post that one unless you want it pmed to you. It covers the chips, I mentioned, but also some **** thats way out there.,But here is an artical on the current and much less sinister project, though I didn't see it on the Active project lists, maybe its been canned too on the wiki list, like alot of other projects here lately.  I'm sure you can search wiki yourself for canned programs .

http://science.dodli...ing-ultrasound/

I'm posting this openly for all to see, as I don't want to promote hysteria over a shut down project, and will admit when I have acted in Error. The original form of this project called for the chip to be implanted I guess the the joint chiefs said no to that.

Well, I do think there would have to be an element of determining a person's mental health before going through with a procedure as involved as replacing a limb. Much like with people purchasing firearms, it would be a dangerous tool, and should be treated as such by ensuring only people in the right state of mind have access to them.

Remember though, getting a new arm isn't going to let you be super strong, your skeletal system wouldn't be able to take the strain of something like a car, so you'd have to operate on the entire skeletal system, which is obviously then on a whole different level of complicated.

That link you posted is actually super interesting and reminds me of some of the stuff in a book called Neuromancer, which I hasten to add is a work of fiction. You should absolutely read it if it's a subject you're interested in.

Ulous wrote...
Yes but if you stabbed your neighbours the police would come and bust yer ass, if you could throw cars you would not fear such a thing because you could throw cars at them as well, having a knife would not give you enough power to overcome law enforcement.

People can legally own tanks. The  police force is absolutely not equipped to deal with someone going on a tank rampage (even if you don't have ammo).

Have you ever heard of someone going on a tank rampage?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Ulous wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...


But in some cases it can be used to upgrade a weak human into average.

Yes but how can such a thing happen when it would be based on one persons perception of what is weak and what is average? And who decides that? What if somebody is strong in mind but weak in body and/or vice versa? Then what?

It is pretty clear. Regionally (differences between countries and races), it must have a standard; for healthy average person and who are below this standard.
Do you mean strong in mind through IQ or else? It can be calculated too, unless you mean the state of the wills and the Intellect to overcome (or control) them.
At the end, both states of mind and body can be considered or separately compared and attended by Doctors and Psychologists.

[KenKenpachi]

jacquesct wrote...

People can legally own tanks. The  police force is absolutely not equipped to deal with someone going on a tank rampage (even if you don't have ammo).

Have you ever heard of someone going on a tank rampage?

Actully.......yes, several, video's of it on Youtube. Hell one dude sealed a giant ass bulldozer, and died in it when his air ran out, well he hand cancer figured he'ld armor and seal his bulldozer, **** up the town, and he did, he ****ed up the whole town, see n it on a snuff film site I vist, was called the :"Kill dozer."


As to the guy below with training. It doesn't matter how ****ing well trained you are if I have kevlar, a 37mm Anti Tank gun and a Belt Fed M60 with 12000 rounds, which he did, people would go down if he got pissed.

Neverheard of the LA shoot out I take it? It was only by sheer dumb luck those guys didn't lose anyone. Nevermind police forces are very small. When a major deal goes down thats litterally all of the cops. If you wanted to **** **** up at the same time, well, you got a free hand.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:47 .

[Ulous]

KenKenpachi wrote...

And thats bull****, I'm better armed, trained, and equiped than the local police force. Hell and not the only one. And **** I'm the LEAST in that reguard among some in my area,  a guy named Bob down the road from me has a class 3 permit and a ****ing Anti Tank Gun, and HE scares me.

Yes but as you have already said they are only tools, when you have raw power with you 100% of the time it is easy to be corrupted by it, I think many of us would use it in an instant during a moment of rage, as we are seeing here in the Uk when people carry knives with them on the street they are much more likely to use it when caught in a confrontational situation, yet if the same situation arised when they were unarmed it may well have been at best an exchange of words and at worst a punch up.

[DarkDragon777]

If that really happened, it would only be trouble. I would never get them.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I can buy a light helicopter with 200,000 $, and put some AK-47 on it. Now my Helicopter is a Cobra! lol

[KenKenpachi]

Ulous wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

And thats bull****, I'm better armed, trained, and equiped than the local police force. Hell and not the only one. And **** I'm the LEAST in that reguard among some in my area,  a guy named Bob down the road from me has a class 3 permit and a ****ing Anti Tank Gun, and HE scares me.

Yes but as you have already said they are only tools, when you have raw power with you 100% of the time it is easy to be corrupted by it, I think many of us would use it in an instant during a moment of rage, as we are seeing here in the Uk when people carry knives with them on the street they are much more likely to use it when caught in a confrontational situation, yet if the same situation arised when they were unarmed it may well have been at best an exchange of words and at worst a punch up.

With some people, I'll tell yah though in the projects or **** like that, heh. You can get attacked for being in the wrong parking spot.  And thats the thing overall, we arn't ready for that. And some of us are pretty damn good at hiding our problems. Like the 9/11 hijackers, not one instructor suspected any of them of wanting to do that.

[jacquesct]

The funny thing is, you've kind of made your own argument redundant.

Sure, people could throw cars at you, but your friend Bob is already a much more serious thread.

[KenKenpachi]

Not really he's an Okay guy, though not my friend. I just worry about how drunk he is and the fact he has so much fire power and well face it he's passed out alot, easy to steal it. I don't worry on him owning it however, he's harmless. And Drunk, though funny and good natured. A Collector of weapons mainly.

Its like Dr Creed. When his house/bunker caught on fire, so many rounds were going off that they couldn't get near it. Yet he never harmed anyone,....he was just a Doctor with 300 guns that lived in a Bunker. He was a good guy, just didn't trust anyone.

The point I was making is the Police often can't match criminals or even a number of civilians, as cops have to fallow laws and budgets. A Drug dealer with a souped up biotic gang or even a normal gang, doesn't. And that won't change. Even in the UK while no one for the most can own a gun and the cops are rarely armed, I bet $400 that you can find a Traid down there with a full auto AK-47 and gernade launcher.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:57 .

[jacquesct]

That's a much wider problem related to society and not one I feel should really be associated with functional body modification.

My own opinion obviously, you may very well disagree.

[KenKenpachi]

I do dissagree as society pretty much says how something will be used.

A rifle is a tool, I can use it to hunt, and defend, or to kill. If I come from Europe I most likely will not even want one. If from central Africa I killed my first man at 14 and raped a woman. Or with say bottles, In South America I drink from them, in Europe I'm using them to spread fire in a riot.

Humans arnt responsible for the most, and society should be looked at for any sort of advancement.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 17 septembre 2011 - 04:01 .

[jacquesct]

KenKenpachi wrote...

I do dissagree as society pretty much says how something will be used.

A rifle is a tool, I can use it to hunt, and defend, or to kill. If I come from Europe I most likely will not even want one. If from central Africa I killed my first man at 14 and raped a woman.

Are you really suggesting that Central African children are all murderers and rapists?

[KenKenpachi]

No but the statistics do tend to support there are more of them there than say Western Europe. Numbers rarely lie. You can try and spin this all you want, but the ball is in my court.

Anyways done with this as I should have been several posts ago. This will go down hill.

EDIT to below changes Darrow and Taggert both work, Darrow more so. I agree with what they both say with that ending.  Watching them all, the last two I dissagree with the most.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 17 septembre 2011 - 04:38 .

[Ulous]

jacquesct wrote...

That's a much wider problem related to society and not one I feel should really be associated with functional body modification.

My own opinion obviously, you may very well disagree.

You do have a point to an extent, as I pointed out earlier if society is first completely safe then augmentation is possible, but in a sane society I believe people would look more towards curing disease and helping humans live longer biologically, then leave any potential benefits that could be had from augmentations as seperate, i.e. rather than making us more efficient at house building let robots do the house building instead.

[TJPags]

What is wrong with man improving himself? Why should there be limits or restrictions on who can have what?

The only restriction there should be would be weapon tech, IMO. That should be limited to military/police. Not private citizens.

But anything else? I wear glasses - why can't I have eye implants if I want them? Why should I be restricted because someone else can't afford glasses? Right now, I can go get laseer surgery if I want. Why should this be different?

I saw mention of plastic surgery without a "need" as a waste. But, if it's my money, why do you care if I waste it? Insurance may pay for plastic surgery in the event of an accident or life threatening situation, but if someone simply doesn't like their nose, and can afford a new one, or wants a boob job or tummy tuck or whatever, and can afford it, why should I or anyone else care?

I see this as the same. If I want a mechanical arm to do party tricks, and can afford it, who are you to say no? Why and how does it affect you?

[Eternal Phoenix]

RAF1940 wrote...

Bad idea.

Just this. This sums it all up.

I'm not against technology, the crafting material for technology is here for a reason: for us to use it. However, guns and nuclear bombs have also been made from these resources. Not everything that is technology is good. There has to be limits, if there are no limits, then things get out of control.

Augmentations would be good to give to someone who has lost an arm or leg. I mean creating something that replaces that arm and actually functions like one is good but wouldn't governments be trying to create supersoldiers too? They gave their soldiers guns, they would surely give them these augmentations too and then people who don't even need such augmentations would be getting them.

With the technology of augmentation discovered, all sorts of people would soon be able to access it. Criminals and rich people and they'll be creating God knows what. I don't fancy seeing people running about with their flesh contained inside metal so that they can't be killed.

Corinthians 6:19 says that we are a temple for The Holy Spirit. I know some people would use this verse to say that we shouldn't change who we are and I agree but don't temples need to be repaired and fixed when the brick crumbles? Yes. So I support something that gives someone an arm - if they lost one - but I don't supporting giving weapon augmentations to anyone (who is to say a police officer won't use it for bad things, police are corrupt remember as are our governments) nor should people with bodies that function perfectly get augmentations.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 17 septembre 2011 - 05:10 .

[TJPags]

Elton John is dead wrote...

RAF1940 wrote...

Bad idea.

Just this. This sums it all up.

I'm not against technology, the crafting material for technology is here for a reason: for us to use it. However, guns and nuclear bombs have also been made from these resources. Not everything that is technology is good. There has to be limits, if there are no limits, then things get out of control.

Augmentations would be good to give to someone who has lost an arm or leg. I mean creating something that replaces that arm and actually functions like one is good but wouldn't governments be trying to create supersoldiers too? They gave their soldiers guns, they would surely give them these augmentations too and then people who don't even need such augmentations would be getting them.

With the technology of augmentation discovered, all sorts of people would soon be able to access it. Criminals and rich people and they'll be creating God knows what. I don't fancy seeing people running about with their flesh contained inside metal so that they can't be killed.

Corinthians 6:19 says that we are a temple for The Holy Spirit. I know some people would use this verse to say that we shouldn't change who we are and I agree but don't temples need to be repaired and fixed when the brick crumbles? Yes. So I support something that gives someone an arm - if they lost one - but I don't supporting giving weapon augmentations to anyone (who is to say a police officer won't use it for bad things, police are corrupt remember as are our governments) nor should people with bodies that function perfectly get augmentations.

So, should people not be allowed to have plastic surgery unless they have an injury?  Should a person who can wear glasses not be allowed to have laser eye surgery?

I'm not really a fan of saying only certain people can have something, only for certain reasons.