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[filetemo]

While I do not find Felicia particularly attractive IRL, I do think the in-game model makes her justice.It's leaps and bounds better than any other face in-game.

Can we expect Tallis like level of detail for DA3 companions? Are DA3 characters going to be modelled after real life people?

Kudos to Bioware, Tallis face is, indeed, "iconic". That kind of facial detail is what made her already imprinted in my brain, looking forward to a possibly memorable companion.

P.S The cinematic design of the cutscenes seems to have massively improved its dynamism too. The facial gestures of Hawke in the trailer make me wanna pick all of the "snarky" responses on the DLC

[seraphymon]

Thats Funny. Cause I think in game model is one of the worst character designs i have seen. particulary it maybe do cause i just dont like the efl design of DA2 in general. but this just goes even beyond that. DA has already modled characters after real life people, including Morrigan and Leliana. While those i feel were for the most part good. This i dont care for. It is Iconic, but in a bad way IMO, as in something i actually want to forget.

[filetemo]

compared to aveline or anders, tallis face shows expression even in a still picture.

I don't know if this is because of felicia day's already characteristic face,if modelling after real people gives that touch difficult to accomplish modelling faces from scratch, or if BW just stepped up their face model game. But if this is the way to go for DA3,I'm sold on this aspect of the game.

[seraphymon]

Ive seen expression in Avelines face. Rare but its there. While its not a make or break thing I really cant stand the cartoony style of DA2 and Hope that aspect goes away for future DA major titles. Even if the art direction is similar .

[Beczy]

I'm just hoping there'll be mods to replace that face. Almost as scary as Aveline. That coupled with her 0 voice acting skill kinda puts me off the DLC as much as I love DA2

[filetemo]

seraphymon wrote...

Ive seen expression in Avelines face. Rare but its there. While its not a make or break thing I really cant stand the cartoony style of DA2 and Hope that aspect goes away for future DA major titles. Even if the art direction is similar .

I do not like the art direction and the cartoony style too, but given the context, they made a good job with the face. I also really like the new cinematics even if I do not like the art behind it.

[ScotGaymer]

I am ambivalient about the new art direction in DA2 because somethings I really like (the new look Qunari for example) and some things I really dont like (the Clownspawn leap to mind).

With the Elves I feel that as a race each any every one of them look like they have downs syndrome or some other form of mental retardation. It would be fine if it was only one of two of them and Bioware was intentionally trying to challenge/highlight the issue of mental retardation or something; or if the species was intended to be alien/unattractive to humans.

But this is not the case. Elves in the DA universe were intended to be attractive to humans and in DAO they were. In DA2 they arent at all.
The only ones who look half decent is Fenris and Merill; and the annoying thing is they are the ones that should look retarded because the pair of them are half wits.

Even this picture of Tallis; modelled on Felicia Day just makes her look like she is mentally retarded as well. Its not good.

[filetemo]

FitScotGaymer wrote...


With the Elves I feel that as a race each any every one of them look like they have downs syndrome or some other form of mental retardation. It would be fine if it was only one of two of them and Bioware was intentionally trying to challenge/highlight the issue of mental retardation or something; or if the species was intended to be alien/unattractive to humans.

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DA2 elves look like na'vi of Avatar to attract fans of the movie. Simple as that.

[ScotGaymer]

I dont think they look like the Navi at all. The Navi were attractive in an alien way; that worked. The DA2 Elves do not.

[filetemo]

being based on something doesn't mean "as good as the source"

[alex90c]

filetemo wrote...


compared to aveline or anders, tallis face shows expression even in a still picture.

I don't know if this is because of felicia day's already characteristic face,if modelling after real people gives that touch difficult to accomplish modelling faces from scratch, or if BW just stepped up their face model game. But if this is the way to go for DA3,I'm sold on this aspect of the game.

She looks like a granny.

[filetemo]

alex90c wrote...

filetemo wrote...


compared to aveline or anders, tallis face shows expression even in a still picture.

I don't know if this is because of felicia day's already characteristic face,if modelling after real people gives that touch difficult to accomplish modelling faces from scratch, or if BW just stepped up their face model game. But if this is the way to go for DA3,I'm sold on this aspect of the game.

She looks like a granny.

she looks like felicia day. What felicia day looks like, I leave it up to you

Modifié par filetemo, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:02 .

[Knight of Dane]

Aw, won't be flirting with that one.

Why not make more pretty elves?

[Fallstar]

They've actually done a really great job there - the character in game really 'captures' the look of the actress.

[LPPrince]

Would've been so much better if a DAO styled elf was modeled after Felicia Day.

This one just looks odd. I see her in the model, but the elf still looks just as bad as all the DA2 elves.

The design still doesn't jive. Going back to the DAO style elves in my opinion would be a huge step up from where they are now.

[Kidd]

I'm so torn on Tallis' look, myself. Yes, she certainly looks very expressive and that's great. But at the same time, I find her elvification is kind of... I don't know how to put it in few words.

Basically though, she looks too human to feel like an elf, and too elven to look like a human. When I see her she's too elven for me to react "oh look, Felicia Day!". If I think about it, I can certainly see the resemblance, but since she's elvified it's not an automatic link in my head. But at the same time she is too similar to Felicia in that she doesn't strike me as looking like an elf completely. If Thedas had half-elves, that's exactly how I'd imagine them looking like.



While I recognise that not every elf will look exactly alike, she simply looks too different from Fenris and Merrill imho. The only reason I can imagine this is so is because BW are using a real face to base Tallis' looks from. But.... Tallis still can't compare one bit to the beauty of Felicia Day. Ultimately I wonder if it's a good idea at all to try to use human faces and make them elven. It seems like an incredibly difficult thing to pull off, and perhaps it'd simply be better to let elves be elves.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:24 .

[MKDAWUSS]

Well, this sort of face-pasting (for lack of a better term) has been going on for quite a while now. I prefer original faces TBH

[Brockololly]

I'm no fan of just copying the voice actor's face and plopping it in the game. Part of the nice thing with video games is making new characters that don't just look like the actors playing them.

I like that Tallis looks not quite as much like the freaks that were the DA2 elves, but it just looks like somebody pasted Felicia Day's face on a DA2 elf and I think its pretty damn creepy looking. And thats just based on the still screenshots. I'm going to guess it'll be even more Uncanny Valley when you see it moving.

Unless you've got a great engine on a technical level to reproduce real life faces, I'd vastly prefer devs to just make entirely new faces for characters. Or at the least, dissociate the voice actor's voice from their in game appearance. Take certain elements from their face maybe (like how Chloe in Uncharted sort of looks like Claudia Black, but isn't a 1:1 copy) but not a straight up copy/paste.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Brockololly wrote...

I'm no fan of just copying the voice actor's face and plopping it in the game. Part of the nice thing with video games is making new characters that don't just look like the actors playing them.

It's her Redemption character. It looks like her because it's acted by her.

Who would you expect Indiana Jones to look and sound like in a computer game version of Raiders of the Lost Ark? James Earl Jones?

[MerinTB]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I'm no fan of just copying the voice actor's face and plopping it in the game. Part of the nice thing with video games is making new characters that don't just look like the actors playing them.

It's her Redemption character. It looks like her because it's acted by her.

Who would you expect Indiana Jones to look and sound like in a computer game version of Raiders of the Lost Ark? James Earl Jones?

This.

I agree with Brockololly in principle - just because someone does the voice of a video game character doesn't mean the character must look like them.  Then you get that stilted weirdness that was L.A. Noire (which, while loving the game and how expressive the facial expressions were, the faces looked weird on the bodies.)

BUT Tallis in-game is based on Felicia Day's live-action Tallis, so it SHOULD look like her.  They could have done an artistic interpretation of her (like Georges Jeanty does Buffy and crew in the Dark Horse comics - like SMG, but not even close to photo-realistic) but it SHOULD look pretty darn close fo Felicia's face.

If she was only doing the voice to a new character, different story.  But Tallis looks like her in the live-action, so Tallis should look like her animated.

[MKDAWUSS]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I'm no fan of just copying the voice actor's face and plopping it in the game. Part of the nice thing with video games is making new characters that don't just look like the actors playing them.

It's her Redemption character. It looks like her because it's acted by her.

True, it is the same character, so visual consistency is a necessity, but I think it starts to lead to the trend of where we start clinging to actual (mostly celebrity [and maybe some who-dat]) likenesses instead of exploring unique and original likenesses that we associate with the character instead of possibly the individual it was based on. How many people are going to see Tallis and how many people are going to see Felicia Day?

In video game world we already do this by ear - This guy sounds like he was voiced by Robin Sachs. Check and confirm. Granted, voice audio is a different field than 3D visuals, but you get the idea.

[Brockololly]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
It's her Redemption character. It looks like her because it's acted by her.

Who would you expect Indiana Jones to look and sound like in a computer game version of Raiders of the Lost Ark? James Earl Jones?

Oh I agree in this case. 

Then again though, it seems ironic that they're seemingly trying to slavishly recreate Felicia Day's face as close to her Redemption character when they can't even create visual continuity in the faces of the Origins characters going to DA2. 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

@MKDAWUSS - I don't disagree with you, but to be perfectly honest visual and voice comparisons have been happening for a long time in movies, and there are plenty of games where a close visual comparison to RL people was aimed for. This is the case for Day's character. There will always be people who get distracted by hearing a voice or seeing a face and breaking immersion due to recognising the actor.

Male!Hawke's voice is Arl Vaughan's, and I know of several DA players who found it hard to play as him for this reason, due to the City Elf Origin. That doesn't mean Bioware should have used a different VO (although I will continue campaining for a PC mute button).

If people think they are going to have immersion-breaking issues with Day's character in the party, all they have to do is not buy the DLC.

@MerinTB - Pretty much agree with everything you said there.

Edit:

@Brockololly - TBH the only DA face I had a problem with was Zevran's. The others were close enough to satisfy me (not perfect, true) but the new elf design is not loved by me. :/ I don't think any of us can comment on how much work went into recreating Day's face for the DLC compared to the DAO companions, but in Bioware's defense the DAO co were cameos, not the subject of a DLC. Of course some effort's going to go into Tallis.

I just don't think this subject is worth getting worked up over. Maybe if future NPCs start looking like their VOs we'll have a problem, but for now...

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:08 .

[upsettingshorts]

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Male!Hawke's voice is Arl Vaughan's, and I know of several DA players who found it hard to play as him for this reason, due to the City Elf Origin.

These people are retarded.

It'd be like being unable to empathize with Lieutenant/Commissioner Gordon in the new Batman films because Gary Oldman also played Dracula and hijacked Air Force One.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:08 .

[ipgd]

Brockololly wrote...

Oh I agree in this case. 

Then again though, it seems ironic that they're seemingly trying to slavishly recreate Felicia Day's face as close to her Redemption character when they can't even create visual continuity in the faces of the Origins characters going to DA2. 

Doing a 3D scan of a real person's face and trying to import a model from a game that uses an entirely different face creation system are different issues.