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[Enmystic]

Computer_God91 wrote...

I am fully expecting him to be dead before ME3 even begins and someone makes a referance to him being dead. If he's not and ME3 is about a year later I'll be disappointed.

Thane will be in ME3.  It has already been stated by Bioware that all romance arcs will be concluded in ME3 including Thane's.

[Kasai666]

Slidell505 wrote...

Kasai666 wrote...

Oh hey, its Malik. I thought you died in that explosion...

Sounds like you suck at videogames.

Nope, just low on ammo. VERY low on ammo. 

[OperativeX]

Cure Thane? I'm afraid we're just going to have to operate. Augmentation is the only way

Modifié par OperativeX, 17 septembre 2011 - 10:13 .

[IronSabbath88]

The best Hanar doctors are working to find a cure. This one wouldn't worry too much.

[Sepewrath]

Well I'll put it this way, for those saying that he would lose his character by surviving; if his character was built solely upon him being a dying man, then he has no character depth to lose. For those who want him to live, there is a simple way around that, he cant be cured, but he is refusing any kind of treatment and has resigned himself to death.

If someone made him their LI, than they obviously they like the character, for those people, if he is an LI and they completed his loyalty mission, then he can accept the treatment and live longer. If not, then he doesn't lose his oh so impressive character depth, of being a dying man. Choices already made, no magic, its simple medical science, everyone wins.

[Computer_God91]

Enmystic wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

I am fully expecting him to be dead before ME3 even begins and someone makes a referance to him being dead. If he's not and ME3 is about a year later I'll be disappointed.

Thane will be in ME3.  It has already been stated by Bioware that all romance arcs will be concluded in ME3 including Thane's.

Well Thane's will be him on his death bed.

[Sajuro]

koopaonfire wrote...

Even if there are treatments, it seems sort of cheap that he would accept them after all his talk about trying to make the universe brighter before he dies.

Why? He even says in the femshep romance (i think) that he's afraid of dieing, and if the treatments give him more time to help the universe before he ultimately dies, then all the better.

[Inutaisho7996]

I've always thought that if you romanced him and/or reunited him with Kolyat, he should allow himself to get a lung transplant because now he has something to live for. However, if you didn't, he should allow himself to die.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:08 .

[RPGamer13]

A lung transplant wouldn't take care of the reason why his disease is a death sentence.

Only reason I kept him alive is because I'd want him to suffer. Well, that, and I needed an achievement.


Seriously though, not that I wasn't serious before, I don't think he'd ever be cured to use his inevitable death as a point of emotional investment from the player which seems like it's working out.

Modifié par RPGamer13, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:23 .

[Enmystic]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Enmystic wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

I am fully expecting him to be dead before ME3 even begins and someone makes a referance to him being dead. If he's not and ME3 is about a year later I'll be disappointed.

Thane will be in ME3.  It has already been stated by Bioware that all romance arcs will be concluded in ME3 including Thane's.

Well Thane's will be him on his death bed.

If Thane's letter in his Shadow Broker dossier is anything to go by, I doubt it.
If Thane getting better is written plausibly then I don't see a problem.  That's one more person to help Shepard against the Reapers.

[emanziboy]

Thane's imminent death and him coming to terms with it is central to that character. Everything from opening up to Shepard about his past, saving his son from choosing to living the same life as he had, and romancing Shepard, if you chose to do so, all worked under the notion that he was running out of time, and needed to set things right before he died.

It's not a matter of him refusing treatment and choosing to die. He says it himself, he is too far gone to be helped by any treatment. His personal conflict comes from the fact that his death is inevitable, and he has no choice but to come to terms with it, something he struggles with as evidenced by his romance scene.

If he is cured by some antidote, then his struggle would be solved for him, robbing him of any kind of character development. Wanting him to survive is a good thing; it means you're emotionally invested in this character. But actually having him survive would weaken the character to the point where there is no longer an believable or interesting character.

Modifié par emanziboy, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:07 .

[HighMoon]

He'll die. But hopefully he'll go out with a bang. Helping us fight the Reapers for 1 or 2 missions. If your his LI, perhaps he lives a little longer or makes a heroic sacrifice.

[Enmystic]

emanziboy wrote...

Thane's imminent death and him coming to terms with it is central to that character. Everything from opening up to Shepard about his past, saving his son from choosing to living the same life as he had, and romancing Shepard, if you chose to do so, all worked under the notion that he was running out of time, and needed to set things right before he died.

It's not a matter of him refusing treatment and choosing to die. He says it himself, he is too far gone to be helped by any treatment. His personal conflict comes from the fact that his death is inevitable, and he has no choice but to come to terms with it, something he struggles with as evidenced by his romance scene.

If he is cured by some antidote, then his struggle would be solved for him, robbing him of any kind of character development. Wanting him to survive is a good thing; it means you're emotionally invested in this character. But actually having him survive would weaken the character to the point where there is no longer an believable or interesting character.

If Thane is a truly well written character then his development should stand up regardless of the direction it takes.  A story of survival or death, it shouldn't matter.

[Computer_God91]

Enmystic wrote...

If Thane's letter in his Shadow Broker dossier is anything to go by, I doubt it.
If Thane getting better is written plausibly then I don't see a problem.  That's one more person to help Shepard against the Reapers.

No. Going back on his death is just bad writing. If I write a character with a short life and then improve the life span just because people like my character that is terrible writing. If a Character is said to die within a set time frame then he/she/it must die otherwise it's really cheap "Oh he's only got a short time left , JK LOL HE'S FINE GUYZ :D". I'd be severely disappointed if Thane survived past his death date or was cured. Part of the sympathy and attraction toward Thane is the fact that he is going to die in the near future. If they go back on that then it's just weak.

and again if they do decide to find a "Cure" for Thane I'll go back through ME2 and have him die saving the crew, just to correct the bad writing choice.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 18 septembre 2011 - 02:55 .

[Dreadwing 67]

We are all dying as we speak. We just find ways to extend our life by eating the right foods, exercising regularly, getting a bionic body part that gives super strength the usual you know..

Thane knows he's going to die soon, so i like to look at it as less about curing and more about extending his life just a little more. Can't run from death forever with an anchor on your back like Thane

[emanziboy]

Enmystic wrote...

If Thane is a truly well written character then his development should stand up regardless of the direction it takes.  A story of survival or death, it shouldn't matter.

That's the thing, if he is cured, then he isn't a well-written character. If he is saved by a cure then his conflicts are solved by some outside force, then it's poor writing. He has no character arc or chacter development. All his problems are solved for him, making for a poor character.

Modifié par emanziboy, 18 septembre 2011 - 03:14 .

[Enmystic]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Enmystic wrote...

If Thane's letter in his Shadow Broker dossier is anything to go by, I doubt it.
If Thane getting better is written plausibly then I don't see a problem.  That's one more person to help Shepard against the Reapers.

No. Going back on his death is just bad writing. If I write a character with a short life and then improve the life span just because people like my character that is terrible writing. If a Character is said to die within a set time frame then he/she/it must die otherwise it's really cheap "Oh he's only got a short time left , JK LOL HE'S FINE GUYZ :D". I'd be severely disappointed if Thane survived past his death date or was cured. Part of the sympathy and attraction toward Thane is the fact that he is going to die in the near future. If they go back on that then it's just weak.

and again if they do decide to find a "Cure" for Thane I'll go back through ME2 and have him die saving the crew, just to correct the bad writing choice.

And confining Thane to one absolute ending with no further development is bad writing too.
Thane is not defined by his illness.  Thane's illness is his conflict.  As I see it the resolution can either be he ends up accepting it, or he fights against it and gains more time by doing so.  Most of what is known about Thane's illness is from Thane himself, and he's no doctor nor is he a fortune teller. 

How do you know there's nothing out there to help Thane?  His dossier already states he can get a transplant, and that hasn't changed.  The Hanar are also working something, so it's not out of the realm of plausibility.  On top of that who said help would come easy or that it would be sure-fire?

[Enmystic]

emanziboy wrote...

Enmystic wrote...

If Thane is a truly well written character then his development should stand up regardless of the direction it takes.  A story of survival or death, it shouldn't matter.

That's the thing, if he is cured, then he isn't a well-written character. If he is saved by a cure then his conflicts are solved by some outside force, then it's poor writing. He has no character arc or chacter development. All his problems are solved for him, making for a poor character.

That's the thing too, Thane's problems won't be solved simply because he got better.  What about his son?  What about his future, he's an assassin remember?  What about his relationship with Shepard?  What about further complications that may remain from his illness or difficulties with medication?  As I see it Thane's not going to lose conflict.  Just because one is overcome doesn't mean more won't crop up.  He will still have character development, my previous point remains.

Modifié par Enmystic, 18 septembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[RAF1940]

Enmystic wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

I am fully expecting him to be dead before ME3 even begins and someone makes a referance to him being dead. If he's not and ME3 is about a year later I'll be disappointed.

Thane will be in ME3.  It has already been stated by Bioware that all romance arcs will be concluded in ME3 including Thane's.

What if he dies 15 minutes into the game?

*E-mail idea*

[Inutaisho7996]

Enmystic wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Enmystic wrote...

If Thane's letter in his Shadow Broker dossier is anything to go by, I doubt it.
If Thane getting better is written plausibly then I don't see a problem.  That's one more person to help Shepard against the Reapers.

No. Going back on his death is just bad writing. If I write a character with a short life and then improve the life span just because people like my character that is terrible writing. If a Character is said to die within a set time frame then he/she/it must die otherwise it's really cheap "Oh he's only got a short time left , JK LOL HE'S FINE GUYZ :D". I'd be severely disappointed if Thane survived past his death date or was cured. Part of the sympathy and attraction toward Thane is the fact that he is going to die in the near future. If they go back on that then it's just weak.

and again if they do decide to find a "Cure" for Thane I'll go back through ME2 and have him die saving the crew, just to correct the bad writing choice.

And confining Thane to one absolute ending with no further development is bad writing too.
Thane is not defined by his illness.  Thane's illness is his conflict.  As I see it the resolution can either be he ends up accepting it, or he fights against it and gains more time by doing so.  Most of what is known about Thane's illness is from Thane himself, and he's no doctor nor is he a fortune teller. 

How do you know there's nothing out there to help Thane?  His dossier already states he can get a transplant, and that hasn't changed.  The Hanar are also working something, so it's not out of the realm of plausibility.  On top of that who said help would come easy or that it would be sure-fire?

That's really what made me think of my suggestion. Thane's outlook on life should be able to be changed by the events surrounding him. Without Shepard or Kolyat, he doesn't have much of a reason to live, so it would make sense that he accepts his fate. But, with his romantic relationship with Shepard and his steadily repairing relationship with Kolyat, he is forced to look at his life in a different perspective, and, as such, it would add to his character developement to change his mind and accept the transplant.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 18 septembre 2011 - 03:52 .

[capn233]

Anyone see "Funny People"?

So I really liked Thane. He takes certain actions to make amends before he dies. Would be quite the turn of events if he was saved and turned into a selfish bastage.

[pfhorlorn]

Sajuro wrote...

Why? He even says in the femshep romance (i think) that he's afraid of dieing, and if the treatments give him more time to help the universe before he ultimately dies, then all the better.

Then perhaps if Shep romances him, there's a divergent storyline? Who knows? Time will tell.

[Azbeszt]

Slidell505 wrote...

Kasai666 wrote...

Oh hey, its Malik. I thought you died in that explosion...

Sounds like you suck at videogames.

Wait, you can save her?

OperativeX wrote...

Cure Thane? I'm afraid we're just going to have to operate. Augmentation is the only way ../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png

His body can take it..

Modifié par Azbeszt, 18 septembre 2011 - 08:12 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

[quote]Azbeszt wrote...
Cure Thane? I'm afraid we're just going to have to operate. Augmentation is the only way ../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png[/quote]
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He never asked for this. Now he's going to go around the galaxy beating up hookers.

[Lyssar]

Enmystic wrote...

emanziboy wrote...

Enmystic wrote...

If Thane is a truly well written character then his development should stand up regardless of the direction it takes.  A story of survival or death, it shouldn't matter.

That's the thing, if he is cured, then he isn't a well-written character. If he is saved by a cure then his conflicts are solved by some outside force, then it's poor writing. He has no character arc or chacter development. All his problems are solved for him, making for a poor character.

That's the thing too, Thane's problems won't be solved simply because he got better.  What about his son?  What about his future, he's an assassin remember?  What about his relationship with Shepard?  What about further complications that may remain from his illness or difficulties with medication?  As I see it Thane's not going to lose conflict.  Just because one is overcome doesn't mean more won't crop up.  He will still have character development, my previous point remains.

I agree. I don't see him becoming a badly written character just because he might suddenly be cured. It actually leads to new conflicts and more character development because Thane finally has to really face all his current problems and make a decision how he wants to spend the rest of his life. So far he is taking the cheap way out by simply dying.
He's trying to leave the universe a better place and he saved his son from a bad career choice, but he hasn't really repaired his relationship with Kolyat, that would take lots of time, and if he truly wanted to improve the galaxy he would probably not remain an assassin but would have to think about what to become, what to do to be constructive, which is not easy if all you've ever done in life is kill and destroy.

I don't want the cure to be easily found, I want to work for it. I actually like the idea that only those who romanced Thane might be able to save him, because only then will he accept treatment. I think the cure shouldn't be forced on us and those who want to see Thane die shall have that option. I might actually go down that route once just for the drama.
I just hope the cure isn't only for a few more years. Either cure him completely and give me my happy ending or let me see him die, but nothing in between. That would be quite frustrating.
And for realism: Hell, they brought Shepard back from the dead. I have Miranda, I have Mordin, I have lots of shiny new equipment and ressources. That should suffice to make it possible.