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[Monica21]

Fata Morgana wrote...

I'm guessing it depends on the look you choose for your Hawke, by my "sister" looks like this, not like the image posted above:



She doesn't have the 'smallest breasts in the game', she has boobs about the same size as Isabella's, maybe a little smaller but Isabella has the hugest boobs in the game, that hardly makes Bethany's 'small'.

And I didn't say she was a ****, I said that she's made sexually overt for no reason I can fathom. Fan service is fan service. You can pretend it doesn't exist, or act like it wasn't on purpose, but you'd be naive.

However I guess my question is answered in that no one has replied that Gaider addressed this issue in any remarks about the game. So it's just a big, creepy mystery.

If that's after Varric's prologue, then your Bethany is modded.

[whykikyouwhy]

Filament wrote...

As far as why she's attractive, because the other Hawkes are attractive. As far as why she's wearing immodest clothing, I dispute the question considering there's a huge difference between her outfit and these Red Sonja-like outfits you seem to think it's comparable to. For that small amount of immodesty that remains, I'm glad they didn't dress her up like a Puritan just to avoid any possible complaint like this.

^ Very much this.

As the esteemed Ser Flan has mentioned, the Hawke family boasts some strong and wondrous genes. Bethany's clothing is not immodest by any regard. She's sporting a crop-top-v-neck ensemble, but it does not display any overt amount of cleavage. Save for the skin in the neck and chest region, there is little of her flesh revealed in her overall outfit. 

She just happens to be an attractive character with a very nice body. And wearing a top that is not snug up against her chin like some wimple from a nunnery. How that is possibly interpretted as being any negative or provocative, I'm not sure. I personally see nothing wrong with her outfit. (And for the record, I am a woman, and have sisters.)

[Monica21]

Monica21 wrote...
If that's after Varric's prologue, then your Bethany is modded.

Actually, if I may quote myself, that is definitely a modded Bethany because she doesn't have straps on her robes. 

[goandkissurmuthersbehind]

well if you can choose between 1 a sensual looking girl
or 2 an old wrinkeled hag
i guess it would be  a matter of what is most apealing
u know if u watch any kind of commercial on tv its always got those colgate smiles and those perfect looking people in it
well i guess its just the same
when i play a game i mostly make a female character just cuz i like the way they look better
after all if u have to play for 70 hrs with that same character u want it (him/her) to look appealing don't you,its not a matter of sexual preferences
anyway bottom line, its just another selling trick thats intended to work into peoples subconcious
mb the creators didn't even think about it that way but their subconsious brought it out anyway

Modifié par goandkissurmuthersbehind, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:04 .

[Fata Morgana]

Filament wrote...

As far as why she's wearing immodest clothing, I dispute the question considering there's a huge difference between her outfit and these Red Sonja-like outfits you seem to think it's comparable to. For that small amount of immodesty that remains, I'm glad they didn't dress her up like a Puritan just to avoid any possible complaint like this.

You are aware, are you not, that there are levels in between chainmail bikini and puritain cover-up/burka?  Even in the first game, where cleavage was more normal and less "Look at these babies, fellahs!", I was mildly annoyed by it because exposing your chest in that way while fighting people with swords is a good way to get seriously injured. Even with padded armor and blunt swords, you get pretty bruised up during sparring, which is why you protect your sensitive chest area with something like this. 

But the realism issue doesn't bother me that much, not as much as the fan service does. It doesn't have to be a chainmail bikini to be fanservice. It doesn't have to be red sonja to be fan service. You would have to be a bit of a silly goose to think that it does.  And hey, I don't even mind a bit of fan service, as long as they throw some towards the ladies, as well. it's the fact that they put the fan service on the sister that is disturbing. To put the shoe on the other foot, imagine if they had made Carver look like this and that Carver spent his entire screen time never wearing a shirt. It's not like that dude is wearing a swim-suit or something, but nevertheless it would have been blatant fan service, and it would have been just as creepy. 

"But Fata", you would say, "Some guys actually like to go around without their shirts on, so it's OK and not fan service." Ha ha. WRONG. Cute, though. 

Modifié par Fata Morgana, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:06 .

[syllogi]

Fata Morgana wrote...

I'm guessing it depends on the look you choose for your Hawke, by my "sister" looks like this, not like the image posted above:



She doesn't have the 'smallest breasts in the game', she has boobs about the same size as Isabella's, maybe a little smaller but Isabella has the hugest boobs in the game, that hardly makes Bethany's 'small'.

And I didn't say she was a ****, I said that she's made sexually overt for no reason I can fathom. Fan service is fan service. You can pretend it doesn't exist, or act like it wasn't on purpose, but you'd be naive.

However I guess my question is answered in that no one has replied that Gaider addressed this issue in any remarks about the game. So it's just a big, creepy mystery.

That screenshot isn't even from the final game.  Look at the straps around her neck, and her face is definitely different from the way she actually looks.  If you're basing all of this on an early screenshot released before the game even came out, perhaps you should actually play the game.

[whykikyouwhy]

Fata Morgana wrote...
You are aware, are you not, that there are levels in between chainmail bikini and puritain cover-up/burka?  Even in the first game, where cleavage was more normal and less "Look at these babies, fellahs!", I was mildly annoyed by it because exposing your chest in that way while fighting people with swords is a good way to get seriously injured. Even with padded armor and blunt swords, you get pretty bruised up during sparring, which is why you protect your sensitive chest area with something like this. 

But the realism issue doesn't bother me that much, not as much as the fan service does. It doesn't have to be a chainmail bikini to be fanservice. It doesn't have to be red sonja to be fan service. You would have to be a bit of a silly goose to think that it does.  And hey, I don't even mind a bit of fan service, as long as they throw some towards the ladies, as well. it's the fact that they put the fan service on the sister that is disturbing. To put the shoe on the other foot, imagine if they had made Carver look like this and that Carver spent his entire screen time never wearing a shirt. It's not like that dude is wearing a swim-suit or something, but nevertheless it would have been blatant fan service, and it would have been just as creepy. 

"But Fata", you would say, "Some guys actually like to go around without their shirts on, so it's OK and not fan service." Ha ha. WRONG. Cute, though. 

I didn't find Bethany to be fanservice. To me, she just radiated a young woman who was attractive, formidable, and had a decent body that she felt no need to cover up in a moomoo. She's a mage so she's not going to be in bulky armor - most of the mage attire in the game appears seemingly thin or at least not so layered as to withstand hearty battles, thus they fight from afar.

Carver does spend the Prologue and Act 1 showing off his biceps, which could be the equivalent to a dash of cleavage. I always suspected that he flexed for the ladies whenever possible...because he's like that. 

[syllogi]

Here is Bethany from the actual game, after the exaggerated portion. She is not "overly sexualized" at all, unless you really think all female characters need to wear turtlenecks to be taken seriously.

[hoorayforicecream]

Why aren't you complaining that Leandra is wearing a choker and is baring an equal amount of flesh in the opening?



Bethany's breasts aren't that big, unless you're talking about Varric's "enhanced" Bethany.



Maybe low necklines are just common Ferelden custom.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Maybe low necklines are just common Ferelden custom.

Because your king wants you to be ready for decapitation 24/7.

[ipgd]

... Have you not actually played past Varric's exaggerated sequence? Bethany's breasts are not particularly large.


Also, I would have romanced Bethany. And Carver. IT'S NOT A DARK FANTASY SETTING WITHOUT INCEST BIOWARE GET WITH THE PROGRAM GOSH

Modifié par ipgd, 18 septembre 2011 - 01:32 .

[Phaelducan]

@OP We aren't Hawke. We are playing some dude/chick named Hawke. Bethany being attractive vs. looking like Janet Reno is for the player, not the character.

If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.

[bleetman]

Are attractive women a bad thing now? I must have missed the memo.

[mcsupersport]

I am sorry, Bethany in stock attire after Varric's false tale isn't "overly sexualized".  The starter of this thread is complaining about something using a picture that isn't in the final game other than MAYBE the prologue or Demo.  So they are complaining about something of which they know nothing about or are manufacturing a "issue".  Most of this sounds like a trolls behavior, and if they are I am going to feed them once.

Now if you want overly sexualized and fan service.....try this mod by a fan no less....and be warned it doesn't have full nudity, just darn close pasties and thongs cover the needed areas unless you get the mod to the mod.......

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

and yeah, there are pictures if you want, you may have to be logged in to see them, I don't know if they are "adult" enough to require it by site rules, BUT again there isn't actual nudity in the pictures just true male sexual fan service......

Got to love it to spice the game for a 6th play.....yeah, I am an old dog, get over it.

[Addai]

The plunging neckline is a bit much. I mean, she has a chainmail corset but her neck is completely exposed. That outfit is idiotic.

It's that way because they're catering to "fantasy" stereotypes which must include heroic cleavage. And as you can see, objecting to it brings down cries of puritan censorship.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Now if you want overly sexualized and fan service.....try this mod by a fan no less....

Hey, Lineage in my Dragonage!

[Addai]

Filament wrote...
You're the one who brought up chainmail bikinis as a point of comparison, I was just pointing out how absurd that was if you were serious in that comparison. If we are to put Bethany's outfit on your spectrum, it's nowhere near the 'chainmail bikini' side of the spectrum. She's almost fully covered for goodness sakes.

Push-up bra + half her breasts being exposed is a sexualized outfit.  You might not agree, but it's a matter of opinion.

[FaeTian]

Like it or not people, Bethany is dressed immodestly. Not as immodest as Isabela of course, but she's still showing off a fair amount of skin. Both her shoulders are pretty much exposed and she's got a fair amount of cleavage showing. I can only assume Bioware did this for fanservice... but why tempt male players with a girl they can't romance? I dunno. I don't try to understand gaming companies I just play the games they sell.

Leandra is dressed immodestly as well, except she doesn't have that much cleavage showing.

Fem!Hawke seems to be the modest one of the family. None of her outfits go farther then showing off her shoulders as far as I can remember.

[Monica21]

Addai67 wrote...
The plunging neckline is a bit much. I mean, she has a chainmail corset but her neck is completely exposed. That outfit is idiotic.

I only find it idiotic because there's no way an outfit like that wouldn't slip off her shoulders. Unless she's carrying around double-stick tape, but who knows?

It's that way because they're catering to "fantasy" stereotypes which must include heroic cleavage. And as you can see, objecting to it brings down cries of puritan censorship.

There's quite a bit of cleavage in Varric's prologue tale, but none after that. I think the bar maids at the Hanged Man have more interesting cleavage than Bethany. I don't believe a low cut top is catering to anyone, especially since the top doesn't reveal anything much lower than her collarbone.

As for my own objections, they are that the OP is either using a mod or looking at a picture from the unfinished game. The picture the OP posted is not how Bethany looks after the Varric's intro.

[whykikyouwhy]

Addai67 wrote...

The plunging neckline is a bit much. I mean, she has a chainmail corset but her neck is completely exposed. That outfit is idiotic.

It's that way because they're catering to "fantasy" stereotypes which must include heroic cleavage. And as you can see, objecting to it brings down cries of puritan censorship.

Ah, if only I had heroic cleavage...

The outfit isn't that far off the mark from what is considered standard medieval/Renaissance fare, such as this. Plenty of exposed flesh there. And while in that example, those ladies aren't out in the middle of battle, I stand on my previous comment regarding Bethany being a mage. She isn't supposed to engage in melee combat, thus her attire isn't supposed to be focused on padding or defense. It's sort of a give that mages aren't armored (at all) because they usually join the fray from a distance.

[whykikyouwhy]

FaeTian wrote...

Like it or not people, Bethany is dressed immodestly. Not as immodest as Isabela of course, but she's still showing off a fair amount of skin. Both her shoulders are pretty much exposed and she's got a fair amount of cleavage showing. I can only assume Bioware did this for fanservice... but why tempt male players with a girl they can't romance? I dunno. I don't try to understand gaming companies I just play the games they sell.

Leandra is dressed immodestly as well, except she doesn't have that much cleavage showing.

Fem!Hawke seems to be the modest one of the family. None of her outfits go farther then showing off her shoulders as far as I can remember.

Maybe immodesty is just going to be one of those areas that is purely subjective. Considering that right now, I am wearing a long-sleeve henley top, with a v-neck and thus, a smattering of cleavage happens to be showing...yet, I still went out to dinner, in public, like this...well. I guess I'm immodest. And brazen.

Oh, the shame.

[Monica21]

whykikyouwhy wrote...
Maybe immodesty is just going to be one of those areas that is purely subjective. Considering that right now, I am wearing a long-sleeve henley top, with a v-neck and thus, a smattering of cleavage happens to be showing...yet, I still went out to dinner, in public, like this...well. I guess I'm immodest. And brazen.

Oh, the shame.

Well, as long as you didn't show anyone your ankles.

[whykikyouwhy]

Monica21 wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...
Maybe immodesty is just going to be one of those areas that is purely subjective. Considering that right now, I am wearing a long-sleeve henley top, with a v-neck and thus, a smattering of cleavage happens to be showing...yet, I still went out to dinner, in public, like this...well. I guess I'm immodest. And brazen.

Oh, the shame.

Well, as long as you didn't show anyone your ankles.

Oh god no!! That would go too far.

Though, I might show the back of my neck...I know, I know. I'm scandalous.