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[NightmarezAbound]

Yes I would like to know the OP's thoughts on the various especially Varrics's male chests being shown? I as a male feel like we're being sexualized, and every woman now expects thick chest hair to run their fingers through.

[Danyu]

I don't know about you guys, but I'd hit up on Bethany. She's smoking.

But in real news, artists are going to make characters more easy on the eyes. Because sadly, we live in a world where if someone looks weird or distasteful, some people don't like that person.

It's the same reason why reasonably attractive actors are chosen for roles in movies. Or why a graphic design is meant to catch your eye.

It's not that Bethany is being sexualized, it's that Bethany is being made to look like a pretty young woman. Just like most epic fantasy male protagonists are usually made into: a handsome young man.

I highly doubt the artists were like, 'OMG hawt hawke's sister. lolz-N-chitty-bang-bang.'

EDIT: Because I'm awesome.

Modifié par Danyu, 18 septembre 2011 - 05:59 .

[clennon8]

Bethany is the hottest female in the game, imo. But she isn't oversexualized.

[Leon481]

I honestly never even noticed the cleavage before now, probably because I've seen worse on kid's shows. It's really not much worse than a flattering evening gown and no one has a problem with that kind of thing.

Honestly, I've always thought of Bethany as more classically pretty than sexy. Besides that, even if she does show a bit of skin, it is made blatantly clear in the game that she basically is a nun and that there is no sexual activity in her life at all. She could pass even Disney standards pretty easily.

Now if you want a sexualized sibling, have a talk with Carver about his visits to the Blooming Rose. He's far worse than Bethany when it comes to this kind of thing.

Modifié par Leon481, 18 septembre 2011 - 07:17 .

[goandkissurmuthersbehind]

i just don't get it,u can strip hawke down to her underwear and run around 90% naked
but when bethany gets a bit of cleavage its blassphemy :s
double standards much?

[elearon1]

My little sister has large breasts and she sometimes likes to dress in a way that emphasizes that ... girls do that. Does that mean I'm constantly frustrated because I can't romance her? ::coughcoughmumblemumblecough::

Seriously, though, I think the reasoning fairy obvious. All the female companions, or for that matter major female characters, in the game are designed to be sexually attractive ... because people like looking at attractive bodies - they sell. Bethany isn't the players' sister, so people who want to appreciate her physical attraction can do so with no shame ... and those who get enough into Hawke that they'd never think that way also get a taste of what it is like having a sexually attractive sister. (and always being a little uncomfortable and overprotective when other people check her out)

Additionally, attractive people are easier to like - it's a psychological truth. Bioware wants you to like your sister and feel protective of her, so they aren't going to make her unattractive. Sure, an ugly person can become attractive do to their personality, but you don't have that much time to establish a perceptional shift like that in a computer game.

As for dev comments on the matter - the team was locking any discussions of romancing Bethany quite early on and Gaider came right out and said he thought the idea disgusting, so no, it was not their conscious intention to make you want to romance Bethy.

[Salaya]

I don't understand all the fuzz on this. Sexuality is a overused decoy for players since videogames first steps. 

I don't think Bioware had in mind that Betahny is your sister. They used the "humorous" prologue to show some sexual claim, and that not necessarily means that they aimed to some shadow incestuous decoy. Bethany is hot, yes; also, is your sister. So? The criticism here goes for Bioware tendency -almost in every "modern" game they do, sex is used as an incredibly obvious bait. 

They focus on simplifying gameplay, copying things that other games did better and cater hormones with direct and ridiculous sexuality. But saying that they designed Bethany as a sexy woman because she is our sister... well. I find it absurd. Almost every female character in Dragon Age universe is hot 

Modifié par Salaya, 18 septembre 2011 - 11:32 .

[Jahannam]

I didnt even notice that Bethany was exaggerated In Varrics version until I read about it somewhere. Its Varrics little perverted mind at fault. On my most recent playthrough I thought she was so repulsive I modded her because I could not stomach the thought of that particular face morph for a playthrough.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

[whykikyouwhy]

Addai67 wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...
The outfit isn't that far off the mark from what is considered standard medieval/Renaissance fare, such as this. Plenty of exposed flesh there. And while in that example, those ladies aren't out in the middle of battle, I stand on my previous comment regarding Bethany being a mage. She isn't supposed to engage in melee combat, thus her attire isn't supposed to be focused on padding or defense. It's sort of a give that mages aren't armored (at all) because they usually join the fray from a distance.

So the chainmail is for fashion...?

Look, it's just taste.  I'm not advocating a march on Bioware.  I just hate that outfit.  You don't.  It's fine.  If we could change companion outfits, there'd be no issue whatsoever.

I'm diving back into this not so much to comment on personal taste, but on Bethany's outfit as armor - or rather, the perception that her outfit may be ridiculous/overt/etc/insert-adjective-here because it does not afford her any armor protection.

Borrowing from my D&D days, spellcasters typically had armor restrictions placed upon them. They couldn't wear anything beyond light armor, whatever it was that comprised "light" in that particular setting. They needed freedom to move their hands and wave their staves for the casting and such. So...hence we see mage robes and the like. Even go back to literature and film - the wizards are often in robes (to indicate their scholarly ways, no doubt), with just a hint of anything armor-like (Excalibur's Merlin had that helmet-thingie and some gauntlets, if memory serves). Most often, spellcasters derived their armor protection from spells, amulets, rings, etc.

I don't know that the same class restrictions exist under the surface in the DA-verse, but they probably do. Plus the fantasy genre just seems to now dictate that mages wear robes, or comfortable attire. No bulky armor, no metal plating (possibly to not distract any elemental allegiance), and so forth. I think the only metal-adorned mage outfit in the game is the mage set of Champion armor, but I could be wrong.

Back to Bethany - she has chainmail from under the bosom down past the waist because that's where the vitals are. If the chainmail went any higher, that might restrict her casting movement by design or by weight. So, the guts are protected, but the arms and chest are free. And for all we know, under that scarf, she has a nice metal neckband to ward off any would-be garotting (or vampire bites). To me, the outfit is not a big deal either for the cut of it, or the practicality. To me, it's just Bethany's outfit and it makes sense for her and her character.

As for not being able to change companion outfits, there are some mods for that...the Diversified Follower Armors is what I use. It's super sweet and all sorts of awesome. Modding may not be for all (back to personal taste/preference or even just PC vs console, sadly), but there are some options to help change up the game.

Alrighty then...back to your regularly scheduled discussions.

[PinkShoes]

So showing some cleveage is being overly sexual?

[Cutlass Jack]

PinkShoes wrote...

So showing some cleveage is being overly sexual?

Yes, contrary to popular belief, no person in the history of mankind had an attractive sister. They're all fictional. Like the Kardashians.

[Tainan7509]

goandkissurmuthersbehind wrote...

mb they just ran out of fabric
theres a blight going on you know :')

LOl that is a good thinking.

[spiritofretribution]

Bethany looks that way in Act 1 to distract the Templars, after Act 1 she looks more conservative since she doesn't need to fear the templars if she is a GW and if she is in the circle she doesn't wants to get the attention of Sir Alrik & Co.

[alex90c]

I didn't have a problem with Bethany's outfits, the only thing that bothered me is that everyones' ****** got an upgrade between DA:O and DA2 so they're now sporting some G cups.

I kinda wish Bioware would be more subtle when sexualising their characters tbh, I mean the Miranda arse-shots, Isabela's jugs hanging out on display etc. etc.

tbh, I'd say more Bethany-esque outfits would actually be good since it's showing a little bit of skin but then at the same time you're not getting a pair of ****** or arse thrown in your face repeatedly. Then again, the way they're going now does allow them to flaunt "hot" 3D characters in all of their trailers and whatever, and that will obviously draw peoples' attention and increase sales, so eh.

Modifié par alex90c, 18 septembre 2011 - 03:46 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Ah BSN, the most fanatical of forums about romances in games but only wishes to cuddle and kiss.

A place where people desire a toggle for ****** and fade to black is the epitome of disclosure.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 septembre 2011 - 04:01 .

[Pasquale1234]

Fata Morgana wrote...

It wouldn't even be as blatant if they just made her less stacked. But to put obvious fanservice on a sister character is just gross.

It would be like if in ME2, after paying such loving attention to Miranda's rear view and focusing the camera on it all the time, it turned out that Miranda is Shepard's sister or something. It's a bit creepy.

ITA.  I felt that Bethany was intentionally sexualized, and when I remembered that she is supposed to be Hawke's sister, I felt that it was really creepy for them to design her that way.

Modifié par Pasquale1234, 18 septembre 2011 - 05:25 .

[Fata Morgana]

alex90c wrote...

I kinda wish Bioware would be more subtle when sexualising their characters tbh, I mean the Miranda arse-shots, Isabela's jugs hanging out on display etc. etc.

Oh a thousand times this. I wish video game developers could understand that a character can be sexy without throwing naked T&A in our faces all the time.  Being a hetero girl, I thought Alistair was one of the sexiest game characters ever, especially when he was wearing full plate. For that matter, I thought when I played warrior that my female character was sexy as hell in full plate, too. And let me just take a moment to say that it rocks hardcore that Bioware made at least some armor non-gender specific. So it's not like I think that Bioware can do nothing right, they obviously do much right.  But this crazy level of sexual fanservice they do sometimes (Miranda being one of the worst examples) just makes me cringe. 

And let me also say that I liked the way Morrigan dressed and though it sutied her. Same with Isabella. Not every character dresses normally, and it's fine to have one or two characters that dresses a little bit wild because it matches their character. But Bioware will throw these costumes in that actually are less sexy because of their overtness, and make no real sense for the character. Bethany's isn't the worst I've seen from Bioware in terms of incongruous costuming (I would say that Samara takes the cake on that one.), but it's still odd to have the sister character wearing a "Look at my bewbs, Hawke!" top. 

[whykikyouwhy]

Fata Morgana wrote...

alex90c wrote...

I kinda wish Bioware would be more subtle when sexualising their characters tbh, I mean the Miranda arse-shots, Isabela's jugs hanging out on display etc. etc.

Oh a thousand times this. I wish video game developers could understand that a character can be sexy without throwing naked T&A in our faces all the time.  Being a hetero girl, I thought Alistair was one of the sexiest game characters ever, especially when he was wearing full plate. For that matter, I thought when I played warrior that my female character was sexy as hell in full plate, too. And let me just take a moment to say that it rocks hardcore that Bioware made at least some armor non-gender specific. So it's not like I think that Bioware can do nothing right, they obviously do much right.  But this crazy level of sexual fanservice they do sometimes (Miranda being one of the worst examples) just makes me cringe. 

And let me also say that I liked the way Morrigan dressed and though it sutied her. Same with Isabella. Not every character dresses normally, and it's fine to have one or two characters that dresses a little bit wild because it matches their character. But Bioware will throw these costumes in that actually are less sexy because of their overtness, and make no real sense for the character. Bethany's isn't the worst I've seen from Bioware in terms of incongruous costuming (I would say that Samara takes the cake on that one.), but it's still odd to have the sister character wearing a "Look at my bewbs, Hawke!" top. 

Interesting...because I felt that Bethany's outfit perfectly fit her character. She's 18 - young, somewhat naive, and trying to figure out her place in the world. Her Act 1 outfit seems very much something that a young woman would wear - it's a mix of practicality (pants, boots, etc) with a bit of flair and accentuation of the body.

(Slight Spoiler here) - When you see her in the game later, in either the Circle or Warden outfit, she's in uniform. Fully covered. An outfit not of her own choosing, but defined by her role. So really, Act 1 sort of dictates her freedom of expression, which is later supressed in the game.

[Monica21]

Fata Morgana wrote...
...it's still odd to have the sister character wearing a "Look at my bewbs, Hawke!" top. 

Seriously. Have you yet noticed that the picture you posted is not the Bethany you think she is?

[Maugrim]

Monica21 wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...
...it's still odd to have the sister character wearing a "Look at my bewbs, Hawke!" top. 

Seriously. Have you yet noticed that the picture you posted is not the Bethany you think she is?

QFE and so OP can't as easily ignore.

[Fata Morgana]

I'm not ignoring it because i didn't see it. I'm ignoring it because it's irrelevant.

"Naked breasts aren't sexy unless they're double-D!" is a riduclous argument. You don't think boobs are sexual in nature? You don't think exposing them is fanservice? I'm not going to argue with you because you obviously live in an alternate universe.

Also I loaded an old save to take a look at her, and even if she doesn't match that screenshot I found online, they're still big and her outfit is still abnormally low. I just don't know how to access my screenshots from the game so i can post it for you. Again, though, it's not really worth an argument if your base position is "bewbs aren't sexy!"

[Fata Morgana]

greengoron89 wrote..
I'd romance her in a minute too if the circumstances allowed for it.

You have this reaction, but you think this reaction was a surprise to Bioware?  Interesting.