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[Kaiser Shepard]

No sarcasm, I'm dead serious here.

Considering the atrocity Shepard caused, those bats were completely justified in roughing Vega up, at least after his little "TV stunt".

[Sajuro]

didymos1120 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Once again, we have the whole "batarians are bad" thing clearly shown

You think so? Personally, I felt that Vega was the bad one there; those batarians did absolutely nothing wrong, and this aggressive ape just starts insulting and beating them.

He never insulted them until after they'd attacked him (one guy with a knife, with clear intent to kill Vega).  Yes, he was provoking them with the TV stunt, but the simple fact is, the first person to actually attack anyone was a batarian.

One could argue that his comment before they attacked him could be taken as an insult, instead of just answering their questions.

[Omega4RelayResident]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

He beat up a batarian with a television screen. He's a winner in my book.

And I really don't think PTSD is "boring" or "overused." It's a legitimate topic in a game about war.

Agreed.

[AdmiralCheez]

Sajuro wrote...

Actually, he murders a batarian with a TV Knife combination

That is an epic combo.

I am going to do a run where I use only him and the batarian squadmate (please god let us have one).

[didymos1120]

Sajuro wrote...

One could argue that his comment before they attacked him could be taken as an insult, instead of just answering their questions.

Sure, fine.  He didn't actually insult them as batarians qua batarians until after they'd attempted to murder him.  Better? 

[Chuvvy]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

He beat up a batarian with a television screen. He's a winner in my book.

And I really don't think PTSD is "boring" or "overused." It's a legitimate topic in a game about war.

Except I'd imagine it wouldn't be a real problem in 2186. We're already doing some experimental stuff and it's showing a pretty impressive success ratio.

[Sajuro]

didymos1120 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

One could argue that his comment before they attacked him could be taken as an insult, instead of just answering their questions.

Sure, fine.  He didn't actually insult them as batarians qua batarians until after they'd attempted to murder him.  Better? 

Better won't bring Barry the Batarian back

[AdmiralCheez]

Slidell505 wrote...

Except I'd imagine it wouldn't be a real problem in 2186. We're already doing some experimental stuff and it's showing a pretty impressive success ratio.

However, a big macho guy like Vega would probably refuse treatment.  You know, the whole "I can handle it" thing.

Well, enjoy the nightmares and sudden sensations of panic, bucko.

[Labrev]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

He beat up a batarian with a television screen. He's a winner in my book.

And I really don't think PTSD is "boring" or "overused." It's a legitimate topic in a game about war.

Agreed.

Times two! 

[marshalleck]

Slidell505 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

He beat up a batarian with a television screen. He's a winner in my book.

And I really don't think PTSD is "boring" or "overused." It's a legitimate topic in a game about war.

Except I'd imagine it wouldn't be a real problem in 2186. We're already doing some experimental stuff and it's showing a pretty impressive success ratio.

Wouldn't be a real problem? It's a psychologoical response to a traumatic experience. Human nature and mind won't change drastically in less than 200 years. It will still be a "problem."

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 septembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[naledgeborn]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

He beat up a batarian with a television screen. He's a winner in my book.

And I really don't think PTSD is "boring" or "overused." It's a legitimate topic in a game about war.

Thank you. You really don't know how much that means.

[AdmiralCheez]

naledgeborn wrote...

Thank you. You really don't know how much that means.

You're welcome?

Also, I'm really sorry if you or anyone you know has PTSD.  It's a royal suckfest.

[marshalleck]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Once again, we have the whole "batarians are bad" thing clearly shown

You think so? Personally, I felt that Vega was the bad one there; those batarians did absolutely nothing wrong, and this aggressive ape just starts insulting and beating them.

He never insulted them until after they'd attacked him (one guy with a knife, with clear intent to kill Vega).  Yes, he was provoking them with the TV stunt, but the simple fact is, the first person to actually attack anyone was a batarian.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Considering the atrocity Shepard
caused, those bats were completely justified in roughing Vega up, at
least after his little "TV stunt".

This, they couldn't know the Reapers were coming through that relay. Years of unrest between the two species, along with Shep's terrorist act (again, from the view of batarians who didn't know any better) say that the batarians were not really so much at fault here.

Of course they were. They made a choice to attack Vega and the felt the consequence of doing so. Watching a newsfeed of some terrorist attack doesn't absolve one of reponsibility for their own behavior.

[didymos1120]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Once again, we have the whole "batarians are bad" thing clearly shown

You think so? Personally, I felt that Vega was the bad one there; those batarians did absolutely nothing wrong, and this aggressive ape just starts insulting and beating them.

He never insulted them until after they'd attacked him (one guy with a knife, with clear intent to kill Vega). Yes, he was provoking them with the TV stunt, but the simple fact is, the first person to actually attack anyone was a batarian.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Considering the atrocity Shepard caused, those bats were completely justified in roughing Vega up, at
least after his little "TV stunt".

This, they couldn't know the Reapers were coming through that relay. Years of unrest between the two species, along with Shep's terrorist act (again, from the view of batarians who didn't know any better) say that the batarians were not really so much at fault here.

What's your point? I was stating the facts of events as they actually occurred. Kaiser had those facts wrong. I don't really care about whether anyone thinks anyone there was justified or not. Pass whatever judgements you wish on the participants: just get the facts straight when you do so. Vega didn't attack first, and they didn't just stop at "roughing him up".

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 septembre 2011 - 03:58 .

[Chuvvy]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Except I'd imagine it wouldn't be a real problem in 2186. We're already doing some experimental stuff and it's showing a pretty impressive success ratio.

However, a big macho guy like Vega would probably refuse treatment.  You know, the whole "I can handle it" thing.

Well, enjoy the nightmares and sudden sensations of panic, bucko.

It's just a pill that they're using, not an actual treatment. It's actually MDMA. IE ecstacy. Here's an article, if anyone's interested

Modifié par Slidell505, 18 septembre 2011 - 03:59 .

[Inutaisho7996]

marshalleck wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

He beat up a batarian with a television screen. He's a winner in my book.

And I really don't think PTSD is "boring" or "overused." It's a legitimate topic in a game about war.

Except I'd imagine it wouldn't be a real problem in 2186. We're already doing some experimental stuff and it's showing a pretty impressive success ratio.

Wouldn't be a real problem? It's a psychologoical response to a traumatic experience. Human nature and mind won't change drastically in less than 200 years. It will still be a "problem."

I think he meant there would be better treaments for PTSD so his problem would be solved, not that he wouldn't have it to begin with. That said, AdmiralCheez is right. There are plenty of people that would refuse the treatment because they think they can handle it on their own. That wouldn't change 200 years from now, so it is very possible that Vega would be one of those people.

[ADLegend21]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Got news for you guys:

If he didn't have some sort of troubled past then he'd be Jacob Taylor. Just sayin.

If by "Jacob taylor" you mean, level headed, not whiny, stand up honest person, doesn't stand for bull****, and a hell of a soldier then yes, let him be Jacob taylor sans the biotics. We ned more Jacob taylors and less "whaaaa fix me Shepard" 's in the game where the Sh*t has hit the fan.

I'm hoping his incident is something he just needs to tell someone else to get him to feel better. Come to terms with it on his own and kill every husk, Cerberus lackey, reaper avatar he comes across....with TV's if necessary. I'm looking forward to hearing more from Mr. Vega.

[AdmiralCheez]

Slidell505 wrote...

t's just a pill that they're using, not an actual treatment. It's actually MDMA. IE ecstacy. Here's an article, if anyone's interested

Wow, that's interesting.

However, like I said, Jimmy Boy seems to be the type of character who would deny he's sick and refuse treatment, even if it's really easy and involves fun drugs.

[marshalleck]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

He beat up a batarian with a television screen. He's a winner in my book.

And I really don't think PTSD is "boring" or "overused." It's a legitimate topic in a game about war.

Except I'd imagine it wouldn't be a real problem in 2186. We're already doing some experimental stuff and it's showing a pretty impressive success ratio.

Wouldn't be a real problem? It's a psychologoical response to a traumatic experience. Human nature and mind won't change drastically in less than 200 years. It will still be a "problem."

I think he meant there would be better treaments for PTSD so his problem would be solved, not that he wouldn't have it to begin with. That said, AdmiralCheez is right. There are plenty of people that would refuse the treatment because they think they can handle it on their own. That wouldn't change 200 years from now, so it is very possible that Vega would be one of those people.

I know what he meant and you're agreeing with me here. Just because a therapy exists (and I doubt doping people suffering from PTSD with MDMA is going to prove effective in the long run) doesn't mean everyone will benefit from it. Not to mention, not every case of PTSD is exactly the same. It's an anxiety disorder, not something that can be cured simply by a course of antibiotic medication or dousing the body with radiation as physical conditions can be.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 septembre 2011 - 04:03 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Actually, he murders a batarian with a TV Knife combination

That is an epic combo.

I am going to do a run where I use only him and the batarian squadmate (please god let us have one).

Sometimes you come accross as borderline evil you do know that right?  

Actually hes such a hothead I can see him at odds with Miranda too. Garrus wont like him very much either me thinks (depending maybe on if you allowed Garrus to kill Sidonis or not).

[Sajuro]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Actually, he murders a batarian with a TV Knife combination

That is an epic combo.

I am going to do a run where I use only him and the batarian squadmate (please god let us have one).

If TV Knife was his Melee weapon, I would learn to like him.

[marshalleck]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

t's just a pill that they're using, not an actual treatment. It's actually MDMA. IE ecstacy. Here's an article, if anyone's interested

Wow, that's interesting.

However, like I said, Jimmy Boy seems to be the type of character who would deny he's sick and refuse treatment, even if it's really easy and involves fun drugs.

Incidentally, the article says "in conjunction with psychotherapy." MDMA is not a miracle PTSD drug; it's merely a means of inducing useful, productive mental states in the subject so therapy can proceed.

[AdmiralCheez]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Sometimes you come accross as borderline evil you do know that right?

Oh, come onnn.  Remember taking Wrex and Garrus to fight the rachni queen?  Legion on the Flotilla?

CONFLICT.  SQUADMATE B*TCHING.  TOTALLY WORTH IT.

Actually hes such a hothead I can see him at odds with Miranda too. Garrus wont like him very much either me thinks (depending maybe on if you allowed Garrus to kill Sidonis or not).

Eh, it's okay if no one on the ship likes him.  My Shepard will love him.

... in the gay way.