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Wulfram wrote...
Does whacking an unarmed man with a TV count as reasonable force?
Wulfram wrote...
Does whacking an unarmed man with a TV count as reasonable force?
KBomb wrote...
Xeranx wrote...
Actually I'm not defending the Batarians. I haven't said they were in the right, but you are defending Vega and trying to minimize the things he did as nothing special. No one knows what loss of that magnitude is and I hope no one ever does, but you don't take a reaction like Vega's lightly in light of the number lost and a system on top of that.
You don't want real world matters brought into this, but I'm stating that there's is a case where reason no longer exists. Why else would I state that the Batarians gave him a chance to clarify his stance, but he refused to take it?
Nope, never said his jerking the television off the mount was reasonable or that he was right to do that. I was only offering an explanation as to why he may have done what was done. His feelings and motives behind it. Much like you say you aren’t defending the batarians, but instead offering insight as to why they did what they did, yes? Neither party used logic or discretion. I just see it as a bar fight that got out of hand--they have a tendency to do that, and I have yet to see one that was completed with reasonable logic. The batarians just got the worst of the fight. Someone usually does in a brawl.
Modifié par Xeranx, 18 septembre 2011 - 08:27 .
didymos1120 wrote...
Xeranx wrote...
I don't know where the talk of PTSD started and I don't remember it being stated by a developer or in the comic.
It's a pretty straightforward inference based on Vega's outburst of anger and destruction of the TV and Anderson's reference to the events on Fehl which Vega would "rather not get over", and the fact that Vega has isolated himself, far from the Alliance, and spends his time drinking and playing cards. Is it conclusive? No, but it explains the available evidence.
Someone With Mass wrote...
Wulfram wrote...
Does whacking an unarmed man with a TV count as reasonable force?
He wasn't exactly unarmed. He had a knife.
Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 18 septembre 2011 - 08:41 .
Sgt Stryker wrote...
On an unrelated note, did we ever figure out what the SF-03 on Vega's shirt means? Could it be the alphanumeric code of the ship he served on? (Like SR-1 was the first Normandy)
Xeranx wrote...
Considering we agree on I went back to see what we were arguing about and I guess I disagreed with the way you stated your response. Nice.
And then I got caught up in all the other responses towards my post. Double nice.
Sorry.
I think we have the same argument, we’re just on opposite sides of the glass.
Someone With Mass wrote...
Sgt Stryker wrote...
On an unrelated note, did we ever figure out what the SF-03 on Vega's shirt means? Could it be the alphanumeric code of the ship he served on? (Like SR-1 was the first Normandy)
Special Forces - 03? Another branch of special trained soldiers in the Alliance, perhaps?
Wulfram wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Wulfram wrote...
Does whacking an unarmed man with a TV count as reasonable force?
He wasn't exactly unarmed. He had a knife.
The initial attack is clearly without any weapons drawn
Zakatak757 wrote...
I dislike this guy so far.
Another Jacob, only caucasion (hispanic?)
Okay, so they had two knives out of the group, or at least two pulled the knives, but may I point out the second knife came out after he had killed two Batarians. My point with the guns was that if they had any sense, they could have just shot at Vega from the balcony after he dove or shot him when they chased after him later. I would suggest that he just leave the bar before destroying the TV or not murder people with TV Knives (sorry, self defend people to death with TV Knives) since shoving the TV Knife into the Batarian's chest was a deliberate act it seemed.laecraft wrote...
Sajuro wrote...
I only saw one knife in the whole fight which got embedded into a guy's chest shortly into the fight,
Then take a closer look.Sajuro wrote...
I think I saw a gun but it certaintly wasn't the guy Vega tackled and if they didn't shoot him that seems to be an indicator that they weren't just going straight up kill him.
And now, for the guns.
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They didn't shoot him because he struck first. These are Omega thugs, you wanna bet your life on their benevolence? They're clearly hostile and violent. They're all armed, and they aim to harm- permanently, and preferrably fatally. What do you suggest he do? Get on his knees and wait for them to have their ways with him? Or just wait for them to kill him, as a good enough proof of their hostile intentions?
If your Shepard's still alive, it must be by some miracle.
He could have theoretically gotten away with it, but I am surprised in hindsight that the Krogan Bartender didn't pull out a shotgun when the fight broke out, since that is generally bad for business.Someone With Mass wrote...
Wulfram wrote...
Does whacking an unarmed man with a TV count as reasonable force?
He wasn't exactly unarmed. He had a knife.
Some people have shotguns and rifles to defend themselves with in some countries without being stopped by the law.
And considering that there's no law on Omega, he could've killed that whole bar and get away with it. For a while, at least.
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