She said at Sundermount that she did not want to be followed, which is why she had Hawke smuggle her.
But it raises the question, who would want to or even be able to keep track of that ghastly old dragon? Morrigan was preoccupied and apparently Flemeth doesn't see her as a threat anyway. So there's an implication that there is someone who Flemeth does fear, or at least take caution against. And that means this someone is either like her or just as powerful as she is.
Who is following Flemeth?
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Posté 18 septembre 2011 - 02:45
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Morrigan (despite her being preoccupied), and/or the Warden. If the Warden "killed" the dragon aspect of Flemeth in DA2, Flemeth may be concerned that the Warden would know or find out that she was still alive and kicking, and would follow her for Morrigan's sake, since the latter clearly wants her mother to be taken care of to some degree.
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Morrigan (despite her being preoccupied), and/or the Warden. If the Warden "killed" the dragon aspect of Flemeth in DA2, Flemeth may be concerned that the Warden would know or find out that she was still alive and kicking, and would follow her for Morrigan's sake, since the latter clearly wants her mother to be taken care of to some degree.
Doubtful. Flemeth had no memory of what had happened after her meeting with Hawke. She simply figured Morrigan had turned on her and tried to have her killed. And because of the lack of memory, she had no reason to suspect the Warden of being the one Morrigan had gotten to kill her. And that's if the Warden even does it.
Obviously Flemeth approaches Morrigan anyway at some point because she knows the truth about her in Witch Hunt. So she's not trying to avoid or hide anything from her anyway.
And let's not forget, in the world of Dragon Age there are more things at work than we are aware of. People just assume Flemeth is one of a kind, but there are likely others like her.
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I think Flemeth implies there are beings older and more powerful than her right after you first meet her. It could be anyone really. I've personally suspected she has some connection to Fen'harel, either working for him or against him on some giant chess board of Thedas.
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I'm not doubting that there may be others of Flemeth's ilk. However, I didn't get the vibe that Flemeth had no memory of what had happened. I figure she sometines sees the various lines and planes of time together, rather than as separate elements, so she may not know if she appeard in the present or the future. So too, why would she divulge all to Hawke? Telling the soon-to-be Champion that her daughter was after her might not make Hawke so inclined as to be the delivery girl/guy.The Grey Nayr wrote...
Doubtful. Flemeth had no memory of what had happened after her meeting with Hawke. She simply figured Morrigan had turned on her and tried to have her killed. And because of the lack of memory, she had no reason to suspect the Warden of being the one Morrigan had gotten to kill her. And that's if the Warden even does it.
Obviously Flemeth approaches Morrigan anyway at some point because she knows the truth about her in Witch Hunt. So she's not trying to avoid or hide anything from her anyway.
And let's not forget, in the world of Dragon Age there are more things at work than we are aware of. People just assume Flemeth is one of a kind, but there are likely others like her.
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And let's not forget, in the world of Dragon Age there are more things at work than we are aware of. People just assume Flemeth is one of a kind, but there are likely others like her.
You can say that again. <_<
And in my opinion, Flemeth is either:
a) A Tevinter magister
An Old Godc) Fen'Harel
The last two are more probable from what I can tell - but there are a number of hints in the storyline and lore that suggest any of these could be true.
Whatever she is, she will be absolutely integral in whatever unfolds in future Dragon Age titles in a very big way.
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I think Flemeth implies there are beings older and more powerful than her right after you first meet her. It could be anyone really. I've personally suspected she has some connection to Fen'harel, either working for him or against him on some giant chess board of Thedas.
I'm trying not to jump to the conclusion of Dalish Myth being the truth. I'm guessing that there is something else that none of the people in their world are aware of.
Who knows, maybe DA's world is in the same universe as Mass Effect and she's working against the Reapers. xD
Joking aside, her plans appear to involve stopping the blights and harnessing the power of an old god, a dramatic social reform, and I assume the next phase will be revealed in DAIII or a future DLC.
Maybe Flemeth is the real villain behind everything and the last DA game will be about stopping her plans.
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I doubt that Flemeth is any of those things. She already has her own place in Dalish lore, she appears to have no connection or concern where the Tevinters are involved, and she's apparently working against the old gods.
She might not even really be Flemeth. She could have just assumed the identity of a myth to conceal her real identity. She might not even be from that world. She could have arrived through the Eluvian from beyond the Fade.
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The 3BE (Big Bad Behind Everything)
She wouldn't worry to much about the Warden on any of my playthroughs. Even if she saved him/her for her own personal gain, my Wardens always felt they owed her a life debt after what happened on the Tower. Even if what Morrigan said was true about the body switching thing, it's such bad manners to try and kill someone who saved your life.
I wouldn't say she was working against the Old Gods. Since she planned with Morrigan to save the Archdemon from death by Grey Warden with the dark ritual, it would seem she would want to preserve them. Though, she could be doing that just to use them for her own purposes later on...
She wouldn't worry to much about the Warden on any of my playthroughs. Even if she saved him/her for her own personal gain, my Wardens always felt they owed her a life debt after what happened on the Tower. Even if what Morrigan said was true about the body switching thing, it's such bad manners to try and kill someone who saved your life.
I doubt that Flemeth is any of those things. She already has her own place in Dalish lore, she appears to have no connection or concern where the Tevinters are involved, and she's apparently working against the old gods.
I wouldn't say she was working against the Old Gods. Since she planned with Morrigan to save the Archdemon from death by Grey Warden with the dark ritual, it would seem she would want to preserve them. Though, she could be doing that just to use them for her own purposes later on...
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She wouldn't worry to much about the Warden on any of my playthroughs. Even if she saved him/her for her own personal gain, my Wardens always felt they owed her a life debt after what happened on the Tower. Even if what Morrigan said was true about the body switching thing, it's such bad manners to try and kill someone who saved your life.I doubt that Flemeth is any of those things. She already has her own place in Dalish lore, she appears to have no connection or concern where the Tevinters are involved, and she's apparently working against the old gods.
I wouldn't say she was working against the Old Gods. Since she planned with Morrigan to save the Archdemon from death by Grey Warden with the dark ritual, it would seem she would want to preserve them. Though, she could be doing that just to use them for her own purposes later on...
It's more like Flemeth wants the power of the old gods for herself, IMO. Them achieving their dark goals and tainting and conquering the world would put a damper on anything she wanted to do.
She probably would do the body switching thing on the child and claim it's immense magical power for her own.
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I'm trying not to jump to the conclusion of Dalish Myth being the truth. I'm guessing that there is something else that none of the people in their world are aware of.
Who knows, maybe DA's world is in the same universe as Mass Effect and she's working against the Reapers. xD
Joking aside, her plans appear to involve stopping the blights and harnessing the power of an old god, a dramatic social reform, and I assume the next phase will be revealed in DAIII or a future DLC.
Maybe Flemeth is the real villain behind everything and the last DA game will be about stopping her plans.
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I doubt that Flemeth is any of those things. She already has her own place in Dalish lore, she appears to have no connection or concern where the Tevinters are involved, and she's apparently working against the old gods.
She might not even really be Flemeth. She could have just assumed the identity of a myth to conceal her real identity. She might not even be from that world. She could have arrived through the Eluvian from beyond the Fade.
Regardless, she requires doing the body-hopping trick to sustain herself in the material world. She could simply be a demon as Morrigan suggested, or an Old God, or something else entirely. She's certainly no mere "Witch of the Wilds", and her roots in Thedas' history run deep.
On a somewhat related note, I actually had a theory a while back that the "Maker" is actually just Fen'Harel. Much of what is relayed in the Chant of Light is eerily similar to some of the things the Dalish relay about Fen'Harel, suggesting that there may be some connection between this "Maker" and the Dread Wolf.
I also have a strong hunch that the Golden/Black City = Arlathan. Again, there are a number of overlaps in lore and history that suggest this is the case.
For all their faults, the DA games have one of the richest and most developed lore I've ever seen in a videogame series. Very few other games that I've played have inspired me to think so deeply about its storyline and the decisions you make within it.
GG, Bioware.
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It's more like Flemeth wants the power of the old gods for herself, IMO. Them achieving their dark goals and tainting and conquering the world would put a damper on anything she wanted to do.
She probably would do the body switching thing on the child and claim it's immense magical power for her own.
What powers does an Old God have that Flemeth doesn't already or could easily get threw blood magic though?
She can already turn into a dragon. If the legends are true and she really is Flemeth, she already gained a verison of immortality threw her special amulets. She could easily drive people insane if she wanted to. And if she wanted to control entire countries or the world, she would just have to fly around and spell all the leaders with blood magic.
Not to mention, depending on the Archon, Archy, and Cory, she is by far the most powerful mage/magical being in Thedas (that we know of). The Old Gods might be powerful, but other than their ability to control darkspawn and immorality threw host transfer; they just seem to be powerful intelligents dragon that can shoot out pretty fire.
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It's more like Flemeth wants the power of the old gods for herself, IMO. Them achieving their dark goals and tainting and conquering the world would put a damper on anything she wanted to do.
She probably would do the body switching thing on the child and claim it's immense magical power for her own.
This actually raises a question of what Morrigan was even doing going through with the ritual in the first place - was it not her will that Flemeth be slain? Why is she still bothering to carry out a ritual Flemeth put her up to, then? What exactly is her angle in all of this?
From what I can see, it seems more to me like Morrigan wants the power of the Old Gods for herself - and in order to be successful at that, she needed Flemeth out of the picture. Unable to take Flemeth out herself, however, she simply manipulated the Warden (something she seems to excel at doing) to carry out the task for her.
Hell, we don't even know what was actually written in either Flemeth's grimoires. They were written in a cipher that only Morrigan and Flemeth could understand, IIRC - we know that it detailed how Flemeth extends her lifespan, but just how much detail did it go into? Might it detail how someone else might be able to do the very same thing?
Possessing that knowledge would be awfully convenient for someone who wants to give birth to the freaking Antichrist, despite having the person who put them up to it eliminated. Really, the whole situation with Morrigan and Flemeth is... well, messed up for lack of a better term. LOL. There is little reason to trust either of them, and even less reason to do as either of them say.
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Despite some of the questionable things Bioware has tried to put past us in DA2, I still have faith that whatever the big reveal on Flemeth is in (hopefully) the next game, it will be awesome. I'm somewhat concerned that they won't be able to delve too deeply into the consequences of Morrigan's dark ritual because it can be avoided through certain choices in DA:O, and that's definitely a plot line I'd like to see more of. I suppose they could find a work around to explain it in the games of people who didn't do the ritual like they did for some plot points in DA2 (retconning Anders' and Leliana's deaths if necessary, for example). I'm definitely looking forward to the conclusion of the Mass Effect trilogy, but like others here have said, the lore of Dragon Age is just overwhelmingly rich, easily on a scale comparable to the Elder Scrolls. A small part of me is impatiently waiting for them to crank out ME3 just so they can get cracking on the next Dragon Age.
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the warden didnt kill her he "stalled" her
(i read somewhere when there are 2 old god souls in the world at once they cannot stay there without taking each other out so when flemeth asked morrigan to get the soul of the OG into the baby she is obviously planing to get the 2 of them(OG souls) to clash)
i think that was step 1 (well saving them at the beacon tower was the start )
step 2 is saving hawke,bringing him/her to kirkwall was not the real reason why she saved him/her but actualy getting hawke there was the plan,she needs him/her to start this mage/templar war
step 3 will involve getting morrigan into some trap so she can get her hands on the OGBe bringing
step 4 will bringing thedas down into flames so they can get this whole party started once the mage/templar war has started all flemeth has to do is convince each side to seek help from the OG's thus bringing destruction upon thedas obliterating everything
now its up to morrigan to keep the OGB safe from her mothers hands
or it could be the other way around and morrigan is the real culprit and flemeth is the one who wants to save the world either way step 1,2 and 3 are a given
(i read somewhere when there are 2 old god souls in the world at once they cannot stay there without taking each other out so when flemeth asked morrigan to get the soul of the OG into the baby she is obviously planing to get the 2 of them(OG souls) to clash)
i think that was step 1 (well saving them at the beacon tower was the start )
step 2 is saving hawke,bringing him/her to kirkwall was not the real reason why she saved him/her but actualy getting hawke there was the plan,she needs him/her to start this mage/templar war
step 3 will involve getting morrigan into some trap so she can get her hands on the OGBe bringing
step 4 will bringing thedas down into flames so they can get this whole party started once the mage/templar war has started all flemeth has to do is convince each side to seek help from the OG's thus bringing destruction upon thedas obliterating everything
now its up to morrigan to keep the OGB safe from her mothers hands
or it could be the other way around and morrigan is the real culprit and flemeth is the one who wants to save the world either way step 1,2 and 3 are a given
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Where exactly did you read this? And even if that's really the case, why would Morrigan risk doing the ritual in the first place? Why not just let Urthemiel be slain, and let Flemeth's scheme come to a slamming halt right then and there?
No, Morrigan is trying to play Flemeth at her own game (she was raised by Flemeth, after all). She's just a chip off of the ol' block - every bit as cunning, manipulative, and ambitious as her dear mother (or so she might think).
Now that Morrigan knows of Flemeth's little scheme, she decides she wants to supplant her mama and take her place as the "Witch of the Wilds." It only makes sense, given what we already know and can further deduce from there.
Flemeth, however, seems to think that she has the upper hand. She was willing to hand her grimoire over to you as a "trophy", which implies that Morrigan's "little plan" is DOA in Flemeth's eyes - and may even actually be a part of Flemeth's own grand scheme, for all we know.
No, Morrigan is trying to play Flemeth at her own game (she was raised by Flemeth, after all). She's just a chip off of the ol' block - every bit as cunning, manipulative, and ambitious as her dear mother (or so she might think).
Now that Morrigan knows of Flemeth's little scheme, she decides she wants to supplant her mama and take her place as the "Witch of the Wilds." It only makes sense, given what we already know and can further deduce from there.
Flemeth, however, seems to think that she has the upper hand. She was willing to hand her grimoire over to you as a "trophy", which implies that Morrigan's "little plan" is DOA in Flemeth's eyes - and may even actually be a part of Flemeth's own grand scheme, for all we know.
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Yeah I took her "not wanting to be followed" to mean if she had just flown off to Kirkwall without the Warden killing her, Morrigan and the Warden would have been after her... she let the Warden kill her other self as a decoy.
Could also be that the horde of darkspawn was after her, so she wanted to get clear of Ferelden. Y'know, if she's an awakened Old God herself. Or some other godly power, or an emissary for one of them. Maybe if she had just flown to Kirkwall, the archdemon could have just followed her movement with his taint-dar, whereas using the amulet made her invisible from Lothering to Kirkwall.
Could also be that the horde of darkspawn was after her, so she wanted to get clear of Ferelden. Y'know, if she's an awakened Old God herself. Or some other godly power, or an emissary for one of them. Maybe if she had just flown to Kirkwall, the archdemon could have just followed her movement with his taint-dar, whereas using the amulet made her invisible from Lothering to Kirkwall.
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i read it on a wiki page
well before she went tru the mirror she did say she was sorry for all this
and she knows something about flemeth she said flemeth is not just an abomination
i think she learned about flemeths real plans and was not able to comply anymore
she was raised by flemeth yes,that doesnt mean she doesnt have a will of her own
if you would learn your mother who raised u all your life wants to blow up the world u would opose wouldn't u
as far as stopping her maybe she only learned later on u only gave her the grimoire when u reached the circle
all i know is
u play DAO flemeth saves the protagonist and asks the favor
in DA2 the same
we are all just pawns in the bigger game
they should make a dlc from a total diffenrent angle like an observer he/she who knows whats up
4 instance the watchers in highlander
either way they are up to something and u wlll see either in DA3 flemeth will save you (the protagonist) and then have you do her dirty work
it worked on the warden and it worked on hawke
i just hope whatever happens in DA3 they will make a protagonist who will actualy change something instead of letting the cycle continue
until now the blights just keep comming,wardens keep dying ,we need some one to get rid of it 4 once and 4 all
well before she went tru the mirror she did say she was sorry for all this
and she knows something about flemeth she said flemeth is not just an abomination
i think she learned about flemeths real plans and was not able to comply anymore
she was raised by flemeth yes,that doesnt mean she doesnt have a will of her own
if you would learn your mother who raised u all your life wants to blow up the world u would opose wouldn't u
as far as stopping her maybe she only learned later on u only gave her the grimoire when u reached the circle
all i know is
u play DAO flemeth saves the protagonist and asks the favor
in DA2 the same
we are all just pawns in the bigger game
they should make a dlc from a total diffenrent angle like an observer he/she who knows whats up
4 instance the watchers in highlander
either way they are up to something and u wlll see either in DA3 flemeth will save you (the protagonist) and then have you do her dirty work
it worked on the warden and it worked on hawke
i just hope whatever happens in DA3 they will make a protagonist who will actualy change something instead of letting the cycle continue
until now the blights just keep comming,wardens keep dying ,we need some one to get rid of it 4 once and 4 all
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Why should we believe anything Morrigan says, least of all an "apology"? She has only ever proven to an extremely cunning liar (something she herself has directly admitted to). She has lied through her teeth - whether directly, through half-truths, or by omission - more times than I can count.
She is obviously cruel and utterly callous to any plights other than her own - unless she stands to gain from aiding someone to resolve it. This is the only reason she agrees to accompany and help you against the Blight (or help anyone for that matter) - because she has something to gain from it.
And when nothing is to be gained, she's perfectly willing to leave people to the wolves - including the Circle, the entire village of Redcliffe, and the Warden if he/she refuses her little ritual. She has no concern for anyone but herself, and will gladly toss aside anyone and anything that doesn't help her cause.
For the first several playthroughs of DA:O, I used to think she was just the most awesome character ever. Now, I regret ever trusting her in the first place. She is no friend to the Warden, and going along with anything she says or does can only hurt the Warden's cause in the long run (and benefit hers).
Therefore I say trust neither Morrigan or Flemeth - one is no better than the other, and aiding either of them can only mean big trouble somewhere down the road. I might even kill Morrigan on my next run through Witch Hunt (though I doubt it will do any good). I think she's really that much of a malefactor.
She is obviously cruel and utterly callous to any plights other than her own - unless she stands to gain from aiding someone to resolve it. This is the only reason she agrees to accompany and help you against the Blight (or help anyone for that matter) - because she has something to gain from it.
And when nothing is to be gained, she's perfectly willing to leave people to the wolves - including the Circle, the entire village of Redcliffe, and the Warden if he/she refuses her little ritual. She has no concern for anyone but herself, and will gladly toss aside anyone and anything that doesn't help her cause.
For the first several playthroughs of DA:O, I used to think she was just the most awesome character ever. Now, I regret ever trusting her in the first place. She is no friend to the Warden, and going along with anything she says or does can only hurt the Warden's cause in the long run (and benefit hers).
Therefore I say trust neither Morrigan or Flemeth - one is no better than the other, and aiding either of them can only mean big trouble somewhere down the road. I might even kill Morrigan on my next run through Witch Hunt (though I doubt it will do any good). I think she's really that much of a malefactor.
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Flemeth's obv an Old God since she's a sentient uber-dragon that can possess people and return from the dead. I guess an ender of the Blight like the Warden would be a source of some fear to her since he ended a damned blight, and if he carries the taint in him it would also be something to be feary of.
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i did stab her but she still vanished
i need a 3rd runthrough and step tru the mirror tho
anyway
i realy think morrigan is just being the product of her mother
she puts up a front acts like that and keeps u at bay
but deep inside shes not bad
shes been raised by the backhand of her mother shes been told not to have feelings
even tho she herself wants to
remember the mirror
i think the impact of the warden of her changed her way of thinking
getting away from flemeth's influence she finaly sees that there is another way
there is place for love in this world and all the feelings flemeth said that are worthless
its ok for u to hate morrigan
but i truly hope i broke thru to her and made her realize that there is room for feelings
and she doenst have to be afraid of them as if they would make her weak
i don't think flemeth is an old god tho if she was she wouldnt need the dark ritual in the first place
or she's an outcast old god mb
i just wish we'd learn more in DA2 except the fact that flemeth is still alive
either way they will have a hard time intertwining all these storylines into one ending or do a multiple disk DA edition like DA3 = 3 disks but i gues a 600 hr game wouldn't be commercialy interesting for them to bring out XD
i need a 3rd runthrough and step tru the mirror tho
anyway
i realy think morrigan is just being the product of her mother
she puts up a front acts like that and keeps u at bay
but deep inside shes not bad
shes been raised by the backhand of her mother shes been told not to have feelings
even tho she herself wants to
remember the mirror
i think the impact of the warden of her changed her way of thinking
getting away from flemeth's influence she finaly sees that there is another way
there is place for love in this world and all the feelings flemeth said that are worthless
its ok for u to hate morrigan
but i truly hope i broke thru to her and made her realize that there is room for feelings
and she doenst have to be afraid of them as if they would make her weak
i don't think flemeth is an old god tho if she was she wouldnt need the dark ritual in the first place
or she's an outcast old god mb
i just wish we'd learn more in DA2 except the fact that flemeth is still alive
either way they will have a hard time intertwining all these storylines into one ending or do a multiple disk DA edition like DA3 = 3 disks but i gues a 600 hr game wouldn't be commercialy interesting for them to bring out XD
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@ xand if it wasn't for flemeth the warden nor hawke would be around to carry out the rest of the story line they are being played she doesnt fear them at all she laughs at them literally
after all we haven't seen anything of the tevinter imperium yet either
thedas is so huge its impossible for us to understand everything that has happend and will happen
its like history the only thing we do kjnow is what has been written down and assuming that it is the truth we base ourselves upon the present knowledge of something that might not even be completely reliable
to put it simple if varric tells us bethany's got big boobs but when the seeker says stop bullshytin all off a sudden they are reduced at a regular size
thats what they do,they create suspense and keep u at the tip of your chair waiting for the next dlc to come out hoping for more but they tell u nothing
at this rate they will never get the story told since thedas is like 70000 00000 times bigger then kirkwall and they already need 1 game for just a city while flemeth get a couple of minutes at the begining they should make a dlc playing morrigan or flemeth just showing a a little from the opposit side
its like this tv show i watched where the viewer(gamer) already knows stuff about whats going on and u see them cluelessly running around while u get the plot except for the outcome
u just wanna watch next weeks episode to get answers but ur not realy involved
thats the whole flemeth part of DA
its not realy related but it does guide you thru everything binding it al together into one string
after all we haven't seen anything of the tevinter imperium yet either
thedas is so huge its impossible for us to understand everything that has happend and will happen
its like history the only thing we do kjnow is what has been written down and assuming that it is the truth we base ourselves upon the present knowledge of something that might not even be completely reliable
to put it simple if varric tells us bethany's got big boobs but when the seeker says stop bullshytin all off a sudden they are reduced at a regular size
thats what they do,they create suspense and keep u at the tip of your chair waiting for the next dlc to come out hoping for more but they tell u nothing
at this rate they will never get the story told since thedas is like 70000 00000 times bigger then kirkwall and they already need 1 game for just a city while flemeth get a couple of minutes at the begining they should make a dlc playing morrigan or flemeth just showing a a little from the opposit side
its like this tv show i watched where the viewer(gamer) already knows stuff about whats going on and u see them cluelessly running around while u get the plot except for the outcome
u just wanna watch next weeks episode to get answers but ur not realy involved
thats the whole flemeth part of DA
its not realy related but it does guide you thru everything binding it al together into one string
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Posté 18 septembre 2011 - 07:39
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Maybe there is a real person beneath that ice cold exterior of hers, but it's hardly relevant. The point is that she uses the Warden and his/her companions to advance her own goals, and then abandons them when those goals have either been compromised or achieved (depending on the Wardens' actions).
This occurs even if Morrigan is supposedly a good friend of/in love with the Warden. Her top priority is only to perform her ritual and disappear into the night with an Old God in her belly - and we know nothing else after that until Witch Hunt (which also does very little to further enlighten us).
So again I say that she can't be trusted, and nothing she asks for or demands should ever be granted to her. It may even be wise to simply kill her when the opportunity finally comes up - her very existence is fundamentally dangerous since Flemeth aims to use her as her next "vessel", and Flemeth is no friend to us or anyone else in Thedas.
This occurs even if Morrigan is supposedly a good friend of/in love with the Warden. Her top priority is only to perform her ritual and disappear into the night with an Old God in her belly - and we know nothing else after that until Witch Hunt (which also does very little to further enlighten us).
So again I say that she can't be trusted, and nothing she asks for or demands should ever be granted to her. It may even be wise to simply kill her when the opportunity finally comes up - her very existence is fundamentally dangerous since Flemeth aims to use her as her next "vessel", and Flemeth is no friend to us or anyone else in Thedas.
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Posté 18 septembre 2011 - 08:10
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but if u dont have faith in "good" of people i guess it's already lost
i guess thats the awsomeness bout DAO u can play the way u want
but what if u kill her while she only wants to prevent flemeth to obtain the old gods powers
don't forget she went thru the mirror on her own not because flemeth told her she's done with doin all her mother says
she does deceive people yes but for what purpose mb she just doesnt want the warden to follow her because he might get killed
i gues we will just have to wait and see if they don't just give it a twist and decide to go in a complete different direction with the story line
since they already changed the gameplay completely they might change the entire story line as well
they already deleted races and origins
i just wish they made it possible to recruit more people so we could put together our own choice of companions i dno if u ever played any of the suikoden games but they got 108 recruitable partymembers and the story is awsome and they let u make choices as well i don't imply they should just copy this but its just awsome to know that u could find out anyone has a story to tell and a background
now the people in kirkwall look like they are just there to fill up space they don't actualy live there
anyway on flemeths behalf the vessel thing is a story even morrigan told me that she never seen it
and flemeth says" O it is an old tale,one that flemeth even told herself"
i am not convinced flemeth is the evil we need to erase from the world
if u compare her to the darkspawn or the archdemon she just not destructive enough to be the biggest threat out there
i guess thats the awsomeness bout DAO u can play the way u want
but what if u kill her while she only wants to prevent flemeth to obtain the old gods powers
don't forget she went thru the mirror on her own not because flemeth told her she's done with doin all her mother says
she does deceive people yes but for what purpose mb she just doesnt want the warden to follow her because he might get killed
i gues we will just have to wait and see if they don't just give it a twist and decide to go in a complete different direction with the story line
since they already changed the gameplay completely they might change the entire story line as well
they already deleted races and origins
i just wish they made it possible to recruit more people so we could put together our own choice of companions i dno if u ever played any of the suikoden games but they got 108 recruitable partymembers and the story is awsome and they let u make choices as well i don't imply they should just copy this but its just awsome to know that u could find out anyone has a story to tell and a background
now the people in kirkwall look like they are just there to fill up space they don't actualy live there
anyway on flemeths behalf the vessel thing is a story even morrigan told me that she never seen it
and flemeth says" O it is an old tale,one that flemeth even told herself"
i am not convinced flemeth is the evil we need to erase from the world
if u compare her to the darkspawn or the archdemon she just not destructive enough to be the biggest threat out there
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Posté 18 septembre 2011 - 08:52
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greengoron89 wrote...
So again I say that she can't be trusted, and nothing she asks for or demands should ever be granted to her. It may even be wise to simply kill her when the opportunity finally comes up - her very existence is fundamentally dangerous since Flemeth aims to use her as her next "vessel", and Flemeth is no friend to us or anyone else in Thedas.
How very fascinating. You say you can't trust anything that Morrigan says, yet you believe her when she says Flemeth plans to use her as her next vessel? How does that work exactly?
You can't have you cake and eat it too.
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Posté 18 septembre 2011 - 08:55
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greengoron89 wrote...
Maybe there is a real person beneath that ice cold exterior of hers, but it's hardly relevant. The point is that she uses the Warden and his/her companions to advance her own goals, and then abandons them when those goals have either been compromised or achieved (depending on the Wardens' actions).
This occurs even if Morrigan is supposedly a good friend of/in love with the Warden. Her top priority is only to perform her ritual and disappear into the night with an Old God in her belly - and we know nothing else after that until Witch Hunt (which also does very little to further enlighten us).
So again I say that she can't be trusted, and nothing she asks for or demands should ever be granted to her. It may even be wise to simply kill her when the opportunity finally comes up - her very existence is fundamentally dangerous since Flemeth aims to use her as her next "vessel", and Flemeth is no friend to us or anyone else in Thedas.
I know it's not really canon, but a scene they had to cut shows that Morrigan,. if in a relationship/friends with the warden, was not offering the DR for the OGB, but rather for the warden to live.
The comic version they created:
\\blog.bioware.com/2010/03/01/dragon-age-the-revelation-comic/
Whether the fact they had to cut this scene from the game just changes our perception of Morrigan, or they changed her whole character though, is unknown
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