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[Xilizhra]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To screw over those who decided to romance a specific LI? I think not.

No, to let your choices have actual consequences, simple as that. You knew there were dangers from the very beginning, just like you knew Thane wouldn't live much longer. Would you argue that Thane dying at a set moment during ME3 would be screwing over people as well?

If the whole amino/dextro-thing ultimately wouldn't amount to anything, they shouldn't have bothered with adding that piece of lore in the first place. Then again, the same could be said about choice-consequence in general...

Then it would have to be basically equal to complications endured by all other LIs. What would those be?

Also, I do kinda think that about Thane, as he's unique in the "imminent death" angle.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To screw over those who decided to romance a specific LI? I think not.

No, to let your choices have actual consequences, simple as that. You knew there were dangers from the very beginning, just like you knew Thane wouldn't live much longer. Would you argue that Thane dying at a set moment during ME3 would be screwing over people as well?

If the whole amino/dextro-thing ultimately wouldn't amount to anything, they shouldn't have bothered with adding that piece of lore in the first place. Then again, the same could be said about choice-consequence in general...

Then it would have to be basically equal to complications endured by all other LIs. What would those be?

Also, I do kinda think that about Thane, as he's unique in the "imminent death" angle.

But not all LIs are equal, if only because their respective races aren't either. If you want your Shepard to end up with children, assuming such an issue will be addressed in the epilogue, your only options are the human LIs, possibly minus Miranda and/or Jack, and Liara.

For as far as there are "consequences" in the series so far, equality isn't the word I'd use to describe them: Paragons, especially anti-Cerberus ones, seem to be greatly favored by BioWare so far.

Let's say there's a mid-game romance section in ME3, where only a little (optional!) physical contact takes place: a logical, albeit unintended outcome of going "too far" with Tali would be her getting a severe fever, resulting in an extra scene or two at the gameplay 'cost' of her being out of commission for the duration of one main mission/planet. Obviously, one wouldn't expect Jacob or even Liara to be able to get in a similar situation.

[Requiem of Faith]

This is my basic philosophy on the subject...

[Eyeshield21]

Lol

[CrazyCatDude]

Wasn't there an add on Illium for gene therapy that could help a Quarian not need the suit anymore?

[BatmanPWNS]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To screw over those who decided to romance a specific LI? I think not.

No, to let your choices have actual consequences, simple as that. You knew there were dangers from the very beginning, just like you knew Thane wouldn't live much longer. Would you argue that Thane dying at a set moment during ME3 would be screwing over people as well?

If the whole amino/dextro-thing ultimately wouldn't amount to anything, they shouldn't have bothered with adding that piece of lore in the first place. Then again, the same could be said about choice-consequence in general...

They'll never do it. You know how many fans get butthurt over the idea of their LI even dying?

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 20 septembre 2011 - 04:41 .

[Ticktank]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To screw over those who decided to romance a specific LI? I think not.

No, to let your choices have actual consequences, simple as that. You knew there were dangers from the very beginning, just like you knew Thane wouldn't live much longer. Would you argue that Thane dying at a set moment during ME3 would be screwing over people as well?

If the whole amino/dextro-thing ultimately wouldn't amount to anything, they shouldn't have bothered with adding that piece of lore in the first place. Then again, the same could be said about choice-consequence in general...

They'll never do it. You know how many fans get butthurt over the idea of their LI even dying?

You mean like Aeris in FF7? Her character and the entire game as a whole was awesome partly because of that. Sometimes it takes a well written tragedy to make a story great.

[Cutlass Jack]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Effort and commitment.

Yep this. Just like any real long lasting relationship.


But the latest Neurostim programs help too.

[swordmalice]

Ticktank wrote...

You mean like Aeris in FF7? Her character and the entire game as a whole was awesome partly because of that. Sometimes it takes a well written tragedy to make a story great.

^ This. Personally I hope that BioWare shows some guts and inserts choices for the player that can*potentially* lead to a LI's death. That would take serious balls to do, and if the death significantly alters the story somehow then you can bet that ME3 will become instantly memorable. Plus, it will REALLY make you think about your choices in the game.

[arne1234]

swordmalice wrote...

Ticktank wrote...

You mean like Aeris in FF7? Her character and the entire game as a whole was awesome partly because of that. Sometimes it takes a well written tragedy to make a story great.

^ This. Personally I hope that BioWare shows some guts and inserts choices for the player that can*potentially* lead to a LI's death. That would take serious balls to do, and if the death significantly alters the story somehow then you can bet that ME3 will become instantly memorable. Plus, it will REALLY make you think about your choices in the game.

I vagualy remember a nuke incident on virmire, No...?

[Cutlass Jack]

arne1234 wrote...

I vagualy remember a nuke incident on virmire, No...?

Funny how that slips people's mind. Not to mention all the ways you can kill your loved one on the Suicide mission. Sending Tali down the vent was one of the toughest choices I made in ME2.

Meanwhile, nothing about Aeris' death involved player choices at all. Except that I had chosen Tifa.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 20 septembre 2011 - 06:19 .

[alex90c]

swordmalice wrote...

Ticktank wrote...

You mean like Aeris in FF7? Her character and the entire game as a whole was awesome partly because of that. Sometimes it takes a well written tragedy to make a story great.

^ This. Personally I hope that BioWare shows some guts and inserts choices for the player that can*potentially* lead to a LI's death. That would take serious balls to do, and if the death significantly alters the story somehow then you can bet that ME3 will become instantly memorable. Plus, it will REALLY make you think about your choices in the game.

tbh, all it would do for me is get me to find the way to avoid the LI dying and going down that path instead.

Exception is probably my first playthrough where I just see it as anything goes, which is why I lost squadmates in the SM on my first time round.

Modifié par alex90c, 20 septembre 2011 - 06:27 .

[CroGamer002]

^wut?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Mesina2 wrote...

^wut?

It's Arcian.

[MegaBadExample]

Imagination?

[MegaBadExample]

Requiem of Faith wrote...

This is my basic philosophy on the subject...

Oh god. Thanks for the laugh.

[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^wut?

Oh, Mesina, this is no secret to anyone.

I hate quarians. I hate them with the passion and fury of all the 10^24 fusion-churning stars in the universe.

Tali gets a "Survive Shepard's Racist Rampage"-free card because of that whole Saren deal. Kal'Reegar is a pretty cool guy, too, so he's exempt. Plus, let's not forget Koris and his loyalists.

The others can literally go **** themselves, though. Worst species in the history of horrible species.

Eh, most of the Quarians are neutral about the Geth issue.

Also, we really don't know what happen on Quarian side before Geth Rebellions.
It is possible that corporations and some part of the government were to blame.

What makes you think there weren't "Free Geth" supporters?

[swordmalice]

arne1234 wrote...

swordmalice wrote...

Ticktank wrote...

You mean like Aeris in FF7? Her character and the entire game as a whole was awesome partly because of that. Sometimes it takes a well written tragedy to make a story great.

^ This. Personally I hope that BioWare shows some guts and inserts choices for the player that can*potentially* lead to a LI's death. That would take serious balls to do, and if the death significantly alters the story somehow then you can bet that ME3 will become instantly memorable. Plus, it will REALLY make you think about your choices in the game.

I vagualy remember a nuke incident on virmire, No...?

Touche sir. That really did slip me, honestly. Mainly because I romanced Liara and didn't see Ash as a LI in my ME1 playthrough (though I ended up sacrificing Kaiden...don't ask).

Well, on that note...they did it once, why not again for ME3?

[alex90c]

swordmalice wrote...

arne1234 wrote...

swordmalice wrote...

Ticktank wrote...

You mean like Aeris in FF7? Her character and the entire game as a whole was awesome partly because of that. Sometimes it takes a well written tragedy to make a story great.

^ This. Personally I hope that BioWare shows some guts and inserts choices for the player that can*potentially* lead to a LI's death. That would take serious balls to do, and if the death significantly alters the story somehow then you can bet that ME3 will become instantly memorable. Plus, it will REALLY make you think about your choices in the game.

I vagualy remember a nuke incident on virmire, No...?

Touche sir. That really did slip me, honestly. Mainly because I romanced Liara and didn't see Ash as a LI in my ME1 playthrough (though I ended up sacrificing Kaiden...don't ask).

Well, on that note...they did it once, why not again for ME3?

Sacrifice LI or Wrex/favourite bro

WHO DO YOU PICK?????

[aiDvEoN]

alex90c wrote...

swordmalice wrote...

arne1234 wrote...

swordmalice wrote...

Ticktank wrote...

You mean like Aeris in FF7? Her character and the entire game as a whole was awesome partly because of that. Sometimes it takes a well written tragedy to make a story great.

^ This. Personally I hope that BioWare shows some guts and inserts choices for the player that can*potentially* lead to a LI's death. That would take serious balls to do, and if the death significantly alters the story somehow then you can bet that ME3 will become instantly memorable. Plus, it will REALLY make you think about your choices in the game.

I vagualy remember a nuke incident on virmire, No...?

Touche sir. That really did slip me, honestly. Mainly because I romanced Liara and didn't see Ash as a LI in my ME1 playthrough (though I ended up sacrificing Kaiden...don't ask).

Well, on that note...they did it once, why not again for ME3?

Sacrifice LI or Wrex/favourite bro

WHO DO YOU PICK?????

They haven't done it again presumably because they don't want to reduce the impact of such a moment.  On that front, for me, Tali > Garrus > Everyone else.  The hardest choice they can give me that I can forsee for a "Virmire moment" is do I kill Miranda or Liara?