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[The_REPORT]

I'm done with Bioware. Sacrificing story or character integrity for the sake of appeasing a handful of fans doesn't sit well with me.

If they were gay or bisexual from the start, then whatever. In fact, go ahead and make more NEW gay characters if you feel that your games need more gays or bisexuals. But the last thing I need is having a character like Garrus turn around and hit on me simply because a bunch of random dudes wanted him to be gay.

All I ask for is consistency, and to have Bioware learn from their "loleveryoneisbi" mistake in DA2.
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 Oh and to preemptively address a few common arguments:

"They never explicitly state they're NOT bi/gay!"

That's about as valid as saying that it would be legitimate to have Harry Potter defeat Voldemort with Ninjutsu because it never explicitly states that he's not a ninja earlier in the series.

"You can make lots of choices with character decisions and personalities!"

Many of the characters are written to have conflicting character traits that you can foster in the game. Being straight or gay isn't a personality trait. May as well ask the developers to allow the choice to turn Miranda black. None of the straight characters have so much of a hint that they're bisexual, except Jack who apparently tried it and is now done with it. Making any of them bisexual is both unnecessary and jarring. Make good gay characters for the gays instead of caving in to ridiculous requests to alter characters.

"Tali was maybe going to be bisexual during development of ME2!"

And she's not in the official game. Plenty of things get cut during development.

Inb4 homophobe/beatingdeadhorse.

Modifié par The_REPORT, 19 septembre 2011 - 03:07 .

[MACharlie1]

The_REPORT wrote...

I'm done with Bioware. Sacrificing story or character integrity for the sake of appeasing a handful of fans doesn't sit well with me.

Bye! Don't let the door hit you on your way out. And don't forget to take a complimentary gift basket. 

[Golden Owl]

MACharlie1 wrote...

The_REPORT wrote...

I'm done with Bioware. Sacrificing story or character integrity for the sake of appeasing a handful of fans doesn't sit well with me.

Bye! Don't let the door hit you on your way out. And don't forget to take a complimentary gift basket. 

This.......seconded.

[AdmiralCheez]

"I'm DONE with Bioware! Inb4 homophobia/deadhorsebeating!"

Joined on Friday.

Yeeee-up.

[MisterJB]

Na na na na na na hey hey hey goodbye.

[spirosz]

What's wrong with Garrus being BI, I'm straight and fine with it. He's still my bro and his sexual preference won't change the way I feel about him or make me see him in a different light. Unless you, the player trigger a certain dialogue (which I hope Bioware makes clear) that leads to that type of relationship, then you either have yourself to blame or Bioware for not making the dialogue tree clear enough to avoid something you wouldn't want. We have yet to see how Bioware will approach this situation, so I wouldn't worry too much about being ninjamanced because I believe Bioware is working hard to make the dialogue tree better.

[FoxHound109]

"They never explicitly state they're NOT bi/gay!"

That's about as valid as saying that it would be legitimate to have Harry Potter defeat Voldemort with Ninjutsu because it never explicitly states that he's not a ninja earlier in the series.

Incorrect. You are make a great leap here in which you are assuming something being inherently true and passing it off as a criticism of the way the writers tell the story of these characters. Harry technically COULD defeat Voldemort with Ninjutsu, so long as Rowling would take the time to explain how Ninjutsu fits cohesively into her world, how it functions, its rules, etc. The same applies to the sexuality of the characters in Mass Effect: so long as Bioware has a proper explanation for the reveal of a previously unknown sexuality (i.e. X character didn't reveal sexuality out of fear of rejection/other personal reasons that match up with his or her personality traits) then it is still very much "consistent". Basically, you're using the idea of "consistency" to back up a fallicious argument because there are a myriad of ways that these characters could be bisexual while still keeping the integrity of the overall plot, universe, character development, etc. You're more or less translating "consistency" to what YOU want to call consistency, while giving the writers little to no room in the way they develop their stories.

Your graps of story development is poor, so I'll break it down.

1.) A writer of fantasy and science-fiction who knows what he or she is doing will always begin by setting rules of what his or her characters CAN'T do, not what they CAN do. That's how you set boundaries when you want to create a cohesive world; rules and such. So unless explicitly stated by the author, anything is still pretty much game in a story. Whether the author has the capability to support the introduction of new ideas, etc. depends on his or her own writing abilities, but that's another issue.

2.) Giving the writers no room for things that have NOT been canonically established (i.e. sexualities, past events, etc.) is a disservice to the writers. More so, it can stifle creativity and kill any and all ability to create twists that would make an otherwise run-of-the-mill story much more interesting. 

There. My two cents.

[Kaiser Shepard]

spiros9110 wrote...

What's wrong with Garrus being BI, I'm straight and fine with it. He's still my bro and his sexual preference won't change the way I feel about him or make me see him in a different light. Unless you, the player trigger a certain dialogue (which I hope Bioware makes clear) that leads to that type of relationship, then you either have yourself to blame or Bioware for not making the dialogue tree clear enough to avoid something you wouldn't want. We have yet to see how Bioware will approach this situation, so I wouldn't worry too much about being ninjamanced because I believe Bioware is working hard to make the dialogue tree better.

This is still Bioware we're talking about: ninjamancing pretty much is a series staple, and Anders still hit on Hawke in DA2 regardless of gender or player initiated flirting.

[thedistortedchild]

If they alter the sexuality of characters...


It won't effect my future purchases at all.

[FoxHound109]

For the record: when it comes to the "don't retcon my characters' sexualities" debacle, I take less offense as an S/S supporter and a lot more offense as a writer. It's kind of asinine to tell a writer what he or she can or can't do with their creations when it comes to undeveloped portions of their personalities simply because new developments bother you. If you have a legitimate criticism to level against the writers then by all means do, but otherwise, your arguments hold absolutely no water.

[Xilizhra]

Let's see... is this particular idiot educable or incurable? Scanning post now...

Actually, I give up. In fact, yes. I advocate that Garrus ask, outright and repeatedly, for buttsex from male Shepard. And have the sex scene show the effects of barbed turian genitalia as graphically as possible.

[Kathleen321]

not this again. If you don't like it ignore it. I'm happy because my Shep is a space **** and she is going to nail everyone. And now that I have offended at least one person. I make my leave...

[MageTarot]

Well, you are entitled to your opinion but 'a handful of fans'? You might want to take another look at the demographics.

I'd like to suggest that you might be happier playing another game. Might I suggest "Star Wars The Old Republic" mmo?

Sorry, scratch that -- they'll be having same-sex romances as well.

Dude, you're screwed.

[spirosz]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

This is still Bioware we're talking about: ninjamancing pretty much is a series staple, and Anders still hit on Hawke in DA2 regardless of gender or player initiated flirting.

It's really easy to avoid those "ninjamances" though, but I understand what your saying.  All I'm saying though, is that we have to wait and see how they implement the dialogue tree with those certain choices.  I remember reading somewhere, that they've learned from the DA2 experience, but again it was a different team. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

Xilizhra wrote...
Let's see... is this particular idiot educable or incurable? Scanning post now...

The people who want this "everybody is bisexual" BS calling others idiots? Something's wrong with this picture.

[S.A.K]

I was going to make a post on this thread, but.....nvm.

[jlb524]

Cool story, bro.  I don't think anyone cares about your own personal tirade over optional video game content.

MageTarot wrote...

I'd like to suggest that you might be happier playing another game. Might I suggest "Star Wars The Old Republic" mmo?

Sorry, scratch that -- they'll be having same-sex romances as well.

Dude, you're screwed.

He can play The Witcher.

ReconTeam wrote...

The people who want this "everybody is bisexual" BS calling others idiots? Something's wrong with this picture.

Not really, as they aren't idiots.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 septembre 2011 - 03:54 .

[zingro]

This thread is awesome sauce, will Kaiden get a sex change in ME3?

[Xilizhra]

ReconTeam wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Let's see... is this particular idiot educable or incurable? Scanning post now...

The people who want this "everybody is bisexual" BS calling others idiots? Something's wrong with this picture.

Except that not everyone is bisexual? You've got a whole crew full of probably straight people, for instance, and not all of the LIs are either.

[Darth Krytie]

zingro wrote...

This thread is awesome sauce, will Kaiden get a sex change in ME3?

One would hope that transgendered people could serve in the military by that time in the future.

/serious answer


As to the OP, it's only altering the sexuality if someone explicitly stated they were of a certain sexuality and wasn't lying about it.

[Kaiser Shepard]

ReconTeam wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Let's see... is this particular idiot educable or incurable? Scanning post now...

The people who want this "everybody is bisexual" BS calling others idiots? Something's wrong with this picture.

Of course something's wrong: nowadays, when you aren't romantically involved with someone of your gender or don't fanatically support gay "equality", you're automatically a homophobe.

I suppose that means the game is xenophobic as well, seeing how not all human characters are black and/or asian...

[Ticktank]

Uh oh, OP makes sensible arguments. Not gonna work here.

[Dhiro]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

"I'm DONE with Bioware! Inb4 homophobia/deadhorsebeating!"

Joined on Friday.

Yeeee-up.

It's wrong that after reading this I've read all other posts with Last Friday Night stuck on my head?

PS: They're all bi.

Modifié par Dhiro, 19 septembre 2011 - 04:02 .

[ADLegend21]

Deal with it.