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[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Because Recon's post isn't true? If anything, the post he quoted makes it rather obvious that he is.

I'll admit that directly conflating murderous hatemongers and Internet-based morons is going rather far, but the primary difference seems to be how much violence you're willing to use.

Claiming sole-pacifism and moral superiority simply because you're on the more liberal side of the fence? In an internet discussion? Really?

Especially after it was you guys who started this thread with trolling the OP, and usually get angry whenever someone doesn't agree with you, that's not a move I'd make were I in your shoes. Seems like Saphra (I think?) was right about that one...

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:11 .

[ObserverStatus]

Collider wrote...

Ponies are vegetarian.

if you've read "Cupcakes" I'm sure you'll understand that just about nopony in ponyville is truly a vegetarian.

[Quole]

ok...

[Mr.House]

jreezy wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Your female Shepard is in a lesbian relationship if they are with an asari, you deal with it.

Technically, you're not correct.

Asari are monogender, which means one gender, that gender is female. They are called female in the codex, they all have female titles ala her, mother, she, female names ect and there body is similar to a human female. To a human they are female so if one female is attracted to an asari they are bi or gay. It's not rocket science.

[Sabariel]

Han Shot First wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I wouldn't rage quit.

But I do agree with the OP that Bioware shouldn't retcon characters who have only expressed an interest in the opposite sex for two games. My issue isn't with there being bi or gay characters in game, but with characters being retconned to fill the gay/bi romance quota. I would also facepalm if Bioware went the Dragon Age 2 route and just had practically your entire squad be bisexual.

Bioware's best bet would be to have new characters like Vega, who are a blank slate, be the bi or gay romance options. The only exceptions to this should be characters from previous games who have expressed an interest in the same sex (Jack) or characters who never expressed an interest in either sex, one way or the other.

I have known gay men who have dated women, even married women, to hide their sexuality. Outwardly, yes, they appeared quite straight... until they came out of the closet. Not talking about blokes does not equal "he isn't gay".

And the only truly bisexual companion in DA2, as in the only one who openly expresses an interest in women and men despite Hawke's gender / if Hawke romances them or not, is Isabela. The other companions' sexuality is ambiguous, they do not openly express an interest in both genders.

Sure. In the real world people sometimes hide their sexuality and pretend to be heterosexual, when in fact they are secretly gay or bisexual.

But should that be the case in game as well? Here is the problem with that:

If you decide to define a character's sexuality as ambiguous unless he or she has expressed an interest in the same sex, you've just taken heterosexual characters out of the game. Now every character is either gay, bi, or an unknown.

So for simplicity's sake I think a character's sexuality should be defined by their expressed interests over the last two games. Characters that have previously only expressed an interest in Sheps of the opposite sex, and who have only mentioned previous heterosexual romances, should return in ME3 as heterosexual.

Being amibguous about sexuality does not mean that heterosexuals are now gone or that everyone is gay or bi, but you're right about the "unknown" part. However, I fail to see why that is bad. Do you know the sexuality of everyone around you at all times?

[Rekkampum]

Quole wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

Quole wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Quole wrote...

jreezy wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Your female Shepard is in a lesbian relationship if they are with an asari, you deal with it.

Technically, you're not correct.

Is that a retcon? Because in ME1 they were technically all female.

No, in ME1 humanity says their female.

So you are saying the codex is wrong?

Sex is not the same as gender. Being sexually female does not mean you identify as a woman. They are monogendered.

Yes. monogendered means one gender. Female.

Incorrect. There are Asari - like Aethyta- who play the role as fathers.

EDIT: As people keep missing, being sexually female and identifying as one are two different things.

Modifié par Rekkampum, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:14 .

[Han Shot First]

Xilizhra wrote...

If you decide to define a character's sexuality as ambiguous unless he or she has expressed an interest in the same sex, you've just taken heterosexual characters out of the game. Now every character is either gay, bi, or an unknown who is possibily gay or bi but in the closet.

There are no know gay characters in the game at all...

There are going to be new characters in ME3, like Vega. These 'blank slate' characters would be Bioware's best bet for clearly defined gay characters.

While not gay, Jack however is bisexual. She could return as a bi romance option even though she wasn't one in ME2.

Xilizhra wrote...

So for simplicity's sake I think a character's sexuality should be defined by their expressed interests over the last two games. Characters that have previously only expressed an interest in Sheps of the opposite sex, and who have only mentioned previous heterosexual romances, should return in ME3 as heterosexual.

Why do you need to have explicit heterosexuals exist so much?

Why do you need  to have explicit gay characters to exist so much?

It would be only fair after all if there is going to be characters that gay players can identify with, that there be characters that heterosexual players can identify with as well.

Being amibguous about sexuality does not mean that heterosexuals are now gone or that everyone is gay or bi, but you're right about the "unknown" part. However, I fail to see why that is bad. Do you know the sexuality of everyone around you at all times?

The argument for gay characters in the game is so that gay players have some characters in the story that they can identify with. Likewise it would be hardly fair to heterosexual players to remove clearly defined heterosexual characters from the game. Heterosexual people exist in the real world, and they should exist in Mass Effect.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:16 .

[Xilizhra]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Because Recon's post isn't true? If anything, the post he quoted makes it rather obvious that he is.

I'll admit that directly conflating murderous hatemongers and Internet-based morons is going rather far, but the primary difference seems to be how much violence you're willing to use.

Claiming sole-pacifism and moral superiority simply because you're on the more liberal side of the fence? In an internet discussion? Really?

Especially after it was you guys who started this thread with trolling the OP, and usually get angry whenever someone doesn't agree with you, that's not a move I'd make were I in your shoes. Seems like Saphra (I think?) was right about that one...

I'm willing to equivocate about some liberal vs. conservative topics, like economics. Issues of sexual orientation are not among those topics. 

As for Saphra, I sort of doubt it; he religiously avoids this subject.

Why do you need to have explicit gay characters to exist so much?

It would be only fair after all if there is going to be characters that gay players can identify with, that there be characters that heterosexual players can identify with as well.

Because I can't **** anyone otherwise.

More seriously, there are no explicitly gay characters at all and I don't expect any. I'm willing to stay with the bisexual ones.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:13 .

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Why do you need to have explicit heterosexuals exist so much?

Why do you need to have bisexuals everywhere?

Not everywhere...just the LIs.

Bisexual LIs:  options for all PCs.
Hetero LIs:  options for only hetero PCs.

Han Shot First wrote...

It would be only fair after all if
there is going to be characters that gay players can identify with,
that there be characters that heterosexual players can identify with as
well.

1)  They don't do gay only LIs.
2)  I don't care as I can 'identify' with gay, straight, or bisexual characters.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:15 .

[Quole]

Rekkampum wrote...

Quole wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

Quole wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Quole wrote...

jreezy wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Your female Shepard is in a lesbian relationship if they are with an asari, you deal with it.

Technically, you're not correct.

Is that a retcon? Because in ME1 they were technically all female.

No, in ME1 humanity says their female.

So you are saying the codex is wrong?

Sex is not the same as gender. Being sexually female does not mean you identify as a woman. They are monogendered.

Yes. monogendered means one gender. Female.

Incorrect. There are Asari - like Aethyta- who play the role as fathers. 

No..... the codex literally says ``An all female race,`` hence why they are called monogendered. If they arent considered female in ME2, then its a retcon.

[Mr.House]

Rekkampum wrote...

Quole wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

Quole wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Quole wrote...

jreezy wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Your female Shepard is in a lesbian relationship if they are with an asari, you deal with it.

Technically, you're not correct.

Is that a retcon? Because in ME1 they were technically all female.

No, in ME1 humanity says their female.

So you are saying the codex is wrong?

Sex is not the same as gender. Being sexually female does not mean you identify as a woman. They are monogendered.

Yes. monogendered means one gender. Female.

Incorrect. There are Asari - like Aethyta- who play the role as fathers. 

Congrats on failing science.

[Rekkampum]

Quole wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

Quole wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

Quole wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Quole wrote...

jreezy wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Your female Shepard is in a lesbian relationship if they are with an asari, you deal with it.

Technically, you're not correct.

Is that a retcon? Because in ME1 they were technically all female.

No, in ME1 humanity says their female.

So you are saying the codex is wrong?

Sex is not the same as gender. Being sexually female does not mean you identify as a woman. They are monogendered.

Yes. monogendered means one gender. Female.

Incorrect. There are Asari - like Aethyta- who play the role as fathers. 

No..... the codex literally says ``An all female race,`` hence why they are called monogendered. If they arent considered female in ME2, then its a retcon.

See my edit so you can get my point. Sex and gender aren't the same.

[Quole]

I think I am getting trolled. If not, then I think I just lost more respect for people.

[Mr.House]

jreezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

jreezy wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Your female Shepard is in a lesbian relationship if they are with an asari, you deal with it.

Technically, you're not correct.

that gender is female.

When an asari says so I'll believe it.

The devs have said it, case closed. If you want to think diffrent be my guest but you are simply wrong.

[Collider]

*shudders*

Lesson: Never read random fanfiction seriously.

[ObserverStatus]

Quole wrote...

I think I am getting trolled. If not, then I think I just lost more respect for people.

can't it be both?

[Quole]

bobobo878 wrote...

Quole wrote...

I think I am getting trolled. If not, then I think I just lost more respect for people.

can't it be both?

Indeed it can. Though, I dont really have any respect for people left so I am unsure if I actually lost any more.

[Maugrim]

I can make Alistair a butch lesbian and now Tali, or any other alien female, isn't a female, because she isn't a female in the human sense ! Learning so many new things!

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:19 .

[Rekkampum]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I can make Alistair a butch lesbian and now Tali isn't a female, because she isn't a female in the human sense ! Learning so many new things!

Who said Tali wasn't female? 

[ObserverStatus]

Collider wrote...

*shudders*

Lesson: Never read random fanfiction seriously.

you: you get an F in fun.