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[Inquisitor Recon]

jlb524 wrote...
Not everywhere...just the LIs.

Bisexual LIs:  options for all PCs.
Hetero LIs:  options for only hetero PCs.

So all LIs should be bisexual just so some people won't get upset that they couldn't sleep with somebody of the same gender?

How about LI's that are defined and have certain characteristics including what they will and won't sleep with like actual people?

[Sabariel]

Ah, never mind...

Modifié par Sabariel, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:23 .

[Quole]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I can make Alistair a butch lesbian and now Tali, or any other alien female, isn't a female, because she isn't a female in the human sense ! Learning so many new things!

No one said that. We are talking about Liara.

[weedyfun]

this debate about homosexuality v.s. heterosexuality in games is getting really old. It was funny at the start, but now, Jesus... wait, why am I even reading this thread? *runs away*

[Quole]

jreezy wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

I can make Alistair a butch lesbian and now Tali, or any other alien female, isn't a female, because she isn't a female in the human sense ! Learning so many new things!

Wrong. Quarian reproduction isn't like an Asari's. Nice try though.<_<

i believe it was a misunderstanding.

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...
So all LIs should be bisexual just so some people won't get upset that they couldn't sleep with somebody of the same gender?

Why not provide options to those that want it?

ReconTeam wrote...
How about LI's that are defined and have certain characteristics including what they will and won't sleep with like actual people?

Except they don't really touch upon that in these romances, considering all LIs will sleep with Shepard regardless of morality, looks, history, etc. which is definitely not how 'actual people' act.    BW romances are "PC-sexual" regardless of sexuality.

[Maugrim]

Quole wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

I can make Alistair a butch lesbian and now Tali, or any other alien female, isn't a female, because she isn't a female in the human sense ! Learning so many new things!

No one said that. We are talking about Liara.

But alien females aren't female in the human sense.  They can't be by definition.  Just using ya'lls insane troll logic stylings.

[Quole]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Quole wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

I can make Alistair a butch lesbian and now Tali, or any other alien female, isn't a female, because she isn't a female in the human sense ! Learning so many new things!

No one said that. We are talking about Liara.

But alien females aren't female in the human sense.  They can't be by definition.  Just using ya'lls insane troll logic stylings.

1. No, Asari have a different form of reproduction so your logic makes no sense.
2. I never said Liara wasnt female.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

As for Saphra, I sort of doubt it; he religiously avoids this subject.

I find Saphra's views of liberals to be quite clear, although it's not something she refers to all the time.

More seriously, there are no explicitly gay characters at all and I don't expect any. I'm willing to stay with the bisexual ones.

So you'd argue that adding a token gay and a token lesbo character would be preferable?

[Sunnie]

Sex:
: either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures.

Gender:
: a subclass within a grammatical class (as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms.

They usually used interchangeably.

From a thesaurus; Oh look, they reference each other!

Main Entry: gender
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: grammatical rules applying to nouns that connote sex or animateness
Synonyms: common, feminine, gender-specific, masculine, neuter
Notes: gender is the properties that distinguish organisms on the basis of their reproductive roles; sex is either of the two categories, male or female, into which most organisms are divided.


Main Entry: sex
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: male or female gender
Synonyms: femininity, manhood, manliness, masculinity, sexuality, womanhood, womanliness
Notes: gender is the properties that distinguish organisms on the basis of their reproductive roles; sex is either of the two categories, male or female, into which most organisms are divided

[Inquisitor Recon]

jlb524 wrote...
Why not provide options to those that want it?

Because it cheapens those characters and makes them harder to relate to? Because some people don't want all of the LIs to be bisexual? Because it's pointless and offensive fan-service?

ReconTeam wrote...
Except they don't really touch upon that in these romances, considering all LIs will sleep with Shepard regardless of morality, looks, history, etc. which is definitely not how 'actual people' act.    BW romances are "PC-sexual" regardless of sexuality.

So BW should take the next step and reduce them to true sex-puppet status?

[Rekkampum]

Sabariel wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

See my edit so you can get my point. Sex and gender aren't the same.

Gender: The sex of an individual, male or female, based on reproductive anatomy.
Sex: Either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as male or female.

Sounds the same to me :B

Well, that's a terrible definition:See here for gender.

A simple example. A woman is female in sex. Yet, depending on how she views her self, she can identify as a male and even attempt to modify herself in such a way that suggests she is male. The same is true in regards to men. Asari, once again, are sexually female, but their gender is another story.

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...
Because it cheapens those characters and makes them harder to relate to?

In what way?  I'm also assuming you mean 'you' find it harder to relate to them.

ReconTeam wrote...
Because some people don't want all of the LIs to be bisexual? Because it's pointless and offensive fan-service?

So are the hetero-romances....but they're there in every game.

ReconTeam wrote...
So BW should take the next step and reduce them to true sex-puppet status?

They already were like that.

[Sabariel]

Rekkampum wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

See my edit so you can get my point. Sex and gender aren't the same.

Gender: The sex of an individual, male or female, based on reproductive anatomy.
Sex: Either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as male or female.

Sounds the same to me :B

Well, that's a terrible definition:See here for gender.

A simple example. A woman is female in sex. Yet, depending on how she views her self, she can identify as a male and even attempt to modify herself in such a way that suggests she is male. The same is true in regards to men. Asari, once again, are sexually female, but their gender is another story.

T'was a weak joke, my earlier post. Hence why I edited it

[Xilizhra]

Because it cheapens those characters and makes them harder to relate to? Because some people don't want all of the LIs to be bisexual? Because it's pointless and offensive fan-service?

The amount of people whom it offends seems to be much smaller than the amount of people who favor it, and much, much smaller than the people who are indifferent. And I can't imagine how it would make them harder to relate to. I have no real difficulty relating with to straight women.

So you'd argue that adding a token gay and a token lesbo character would be preferable?

No. It wouldn't be a good economic move and I favor player choice in general.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:30 .

[Rekkampum]

Sabariel wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

See my edit so you can get my point. Sex and gender aren't the same.

Gender: The sex of an individual, male or female, based on reproductive anatomy.
Sex: Either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as male or female.

Sounds the same to me :B

Well, that's a terrible definition:See here for gender.

A simple example. A woman is female in sex. Yet, depending on how she views her self, she can identify as a male and even attempt to modify herself in such a way that suggests she is male. The same is true in regards to men. Asari, once again, are sexually female, but their gender is another story.

T'was a weak joke, my earlier post. Hence why I edited it

Oh, I see now. Derp on me then.

[Kaiser Shepard]

jlb524 wrote...

Why not provide options to those that want it?

Sure, if it's presented as an actual option, i.e. one that you can actually (de)activate at the gameplay settings menu.

[Rekkampum]

Xilizhra wrote...

Because it cheapens those characters and makes them harder to relate to? Because some people don't want all of the LIs to be bisexual? Because it's pointless and offensive fan-service?

The amount of people whom it offends seems to be much smaller than the amount of people who favor it, and much, much smaller than the people who are indifferent. And I can't imagine how it would make them harder to relate to. I have no real difficulty relating with to straight women.

So you'd argue that adding a token gay and a token lesbo character would be preferable?

No. It wouldn't be a good economic move and I favor player choice in general.

We can solve this by letting everyone romance Conrad however they want- we know that wife of his was imaginary after all.

[Espurr]

Ok, soo... this is a video game in space... with aliens... and completely nonsensical technology... and yet everyone being bisexual is suddenly an issue of realism?

Personally, it's not about sexuality to me. I simply want the freedom to choose a love interest based on the character's personality and their interaction with my character without being restricted by gender. Also, my playthrough has absolutely no effect on anyone else's playthrough, so why on earth does who I choose as my love interest have any effect on anyone else?

Just because the characters are bisexual in my playthrough/canon doesn't mean they can't be straight in yours (or even in a different playthrough of mine), and having the choice would be nice.

[BroBear Berbil]

I agree with you OP except it wouldn't keep me away from the game. I'll grab ME3 when it's on sale or something.

[Inquisitor Recon]

jlb524 wrote...
In what way?  I'm also assuming you mean 'you' find it harder to relate to them.

Me and other people who have expressed the same opinion. Is that a problem?

So are the hetero-romances....but they're there in every game.

However, some of them were actually well done. Players also apprecaite the romances and such.

They already were like that.

And they shouldn't be made worse just because some individuals like yourself insist they all be bisexual. You want a bisexual LI? Go ahead and ask for one. Yet expecting they all be bisexual and expecting a repeat of DA2 in this regard is just absurd. It is foolish and, even if just by a small degree, lessens the quality of the game for many players.

[Sunnie]

ReconTeam wrote...

Because it cheapens those characters and makes them harder to relate to? Because some people don't want all of the LIs to be bisexual? Because it's pointless and offensive fan-service?

because it makes those characters more valuable and easier to relate to? Because some people want all of the LI's to be heterosexual? Isnt making them exclusive hetero also pointless and offensive fan service?

See, that works both ways, and is just as valid for some other person as your version is for you.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Xilizhra wrote...
The amount of people whom it offends seems to be much smaller than the amount of people who favor it, and much, much smaller than the people who are indifferent. And I can't imagine how it would make them harder to relate to. I have no real difficulty relating with to straight women.

You really think this section of the forums is indicative of the playerbase as a whole? Just look at the feedback DA2 got about the "brilliant" Hawkesexual concept.

DA:O provided "options" much better.