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[Rekkampum]

ToastPants wrote...

Ok, soo... this is a video game in space... with aliens... and completely nonsensical technology... and yet everyone being bisexual is suddenly an issue of realism?

Just use eezo as an explanation and everything will be okay.

[Sabariel]

ReconTeam wrote...

And they shouldn't be made worse just because some individuals like yourself insist they all be bisexual. You want a bisexual LI? Go ahead and ask for one. Yet expecting they all be bisexual and expecting a repeat of DA2 in this regard is just absurd. It is foolish and, even if just by a small degree, lessens the quality of the game for many players.

Ah yes, the good ol' "Bisexuals make everything crap" argument. Sound, very sound.....

And, yah know, unless your Dude Shepard hit on another dude... you'd never know the other dude was bisexual. You could pretend the other dude is straight. Just sayin'...

Modifié par Sabariel, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:38 .

[Ulathar]

ReconTeam wrote...
How about LI's that are defined and have certain characteristics including what they will and won't sleep with like actual people?

I agree with this!

I say define them as bisexual.

[Sunnie]

ReconTeam wrote...

And they shouldn't be made worse just because some individuals like yourself insist they all be bisexual. You want a bisexual LI? Go ahead and ask for one. Yet expecting they all be bisexual and expecting a repeat of DA2 in this regard is just absurd. It is foolish and, even if just by a small degree, lessens the quality of the game for many players.

Not sure if you have noticed, but there is a much larger group of bi/gay people in this community than you realize. And really? After having to suffer through artificial rejection just because of sexual orientation through countless games, you are really concerned about a few butthurt anti-gay people? Hold the thread while I go get some tissues.

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...
Me and other people who have expressed the same opinion. Is that a problem?

I know your opinion and now I'm asking you to provide specific justifications for why you have that opinion.

ReconTeam wrote...
However, some of them were actually well done. Players also apprecaite the romances and such.

The same can be said for some of the s/s romances.

ReconTeam wrote...
And they shouldn't be made worse just because some individuals like yourself insist they all be bisexual. You want a bisexual LI? Go ahead and ask for one. Yet expecting they all be bisexual and expecting a repeat of DA2 in this regard is just absurd. It is foolish and, even if just by a small degree, lessens the quality of the game for many players.

I don't 'expect' anything...it's more like a 'request'.

Also, most players are indifferent to this.  Most don't even do romances.

You're also dodging the issue that these romances aren't 'realistic' they are 'fanservice' the LIs 'don't act like actual people' they can be completed by simply picking the right lines no matter the sexuality involved, yet you focus your ire on the s/s ones...which is applying a double standard.

[who would know]

ReconTeam wrote...

Because it's pointless and offensive fan-service?

****** romances are no more fan-service than hetero romances. If an option does not cater to you, don't take it. Gay romance is finally being included in Mass Effect, don't like it, fine, but don't pretend your issues with it are anything but personal.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Sunnie22 wrote...
See, that works both ways, and is just as valid for some other person as your version is for you.

So why should your version be adopted by Bioware? If they insist on giving the S/Sers some fan-service they ought to do what DA:O did rather than the nonsense DA2 introduced.

[BroBear Berbil]

Sunnie22 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Because it cheapens those characters and makes them harder to relate to? Because some people don't want all of the LIs to be bisexual? Because it's pointless and offensive fan-service?

because it makes those characters more valuable and easier to relate to? Because some people want all of the LI's to be heterosexual? Isnt making them exclusive hetero also pointless and offensive fan service?

See, that works both ways, and is just as valid for some other person as your version is for you.

It really isn't when you misrepresent the other person's argument. Not wanting every character to be bisexual does not mean wanting everyone to be heterosexual. Have bisexuals or homosexuals it doesn't matter to me but this system where everybody of your gender wants to **** you is just stupid, especially when some of those characters have been around for awhile.

The subjective sexuality thing wasn't even that every character was bi - it was that they were 100% gay. Take Anders in DA2 for example. Play a male and he has this whole deep relationship with Karl. Play a female and Karl was just a friend and there's no mention of a past. That means Anders doesn't have a single set backstory and, yes, that does feel cheap.

If you like a character's personality great but why should every character's sexuality have to conform to yours? Game or no that's not really a good mindset to be fostering.

[Sabariel]

ReconTeam wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
See, that works both ways, and is just as valid for some other person as your version is for you.

So why should your version be adopted by Bioware? If they insist on giving the S/Sers some fan-service they ought to do what DA:O did rather than the nonsense DA2 introduced.

But, that is restrictive. A Ghey Warden only had one LI option (Leliana for females and Zevran for males). Not fair

[Sunnie]

ReconTeam wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
See, that works both ways, and is just as valid for some other person as your version is for you.

So why should your version be adopted by Bioware? If they insist on giving the S/Sers some fan-service they ought to do what DA:O did rather than the nonsense DA2 introduced.

Origins limited me to 1 LI, while DA2 gave me a choice.. hmm, lets see.. I think DA2 did that part better! There's nothing "nonsense" about giving all customers a choice.

[Espurr]

I would really like to see some sort of demographic survey of this issue to find out how many of the people arguing against the s/s romance options are dudes.

Just sayin'. I wonder if it would be drawing the same ire if only F/F romances were on the table.

But maybe I'm just cynical.

[jlb524]

OnionXI wrote...
If you like a character's personality great but why should every character's sexuality have to conform to yours? Game or no that's not really a good mindset to be fostering.

But killin' peeps is! 

Sunnie22 wrote...

Origins limited me to 1 LI, while DA2 gave me a choice.. hmm, lets see.. I think DA2 did that part better! There's nothing "nonsense" about giving all customers a choice.

My math teacher taught me that 2 > 1.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:45 .

[ElitePinecone]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Why not provide options to those that want it?

Sure, if it's presented as an actual option, i.e. one that you can actually (de)activate at the gameplay settings menu.

Just like how you can deactivate renegade options.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Sabariel wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
See, that works both ways, and is just as valid for some other person as your version is for you.

So why should your version be adopted by Bioware? If they insist on giving the S/Sers some fan-service they ought to do what DA:O did rather than the nonsense DA2 introduced.

But, that is restrictive. A Ghey Warden only had one LI option (Leliana for females and Zevran for males). Not fair

So what? Homosexuals have less options in real life as well, comes with the territory.

[Cheesy Blue]

"If they alter the sexuality of ME2 chars" I'll be all angry n stuff.

[Sabariel]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
See, that works both ways, and is just as valid for some other person as your version is for you.

So why should your version be adopted by Bioware? If they insist on giving the S/Sers some fan-service they ought to do what DA:O did rather than the nonsense DA2 introduced.

But, that is restrictive. A Ghey Warden only had one LI option (Leliana for females and Zevran for males). Not fair

So what? Homosexuals have less options in real life as well, comes with the territory.

So that should extend to every aspect of their life? Cold, man, very cold.

[Sunnie]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
See, that works both ways, and is just as valid for some other person as your version is for you.

So why should your version be adopted by Bioware? If they insist on giving the S/Sers some fan-service they ought to do what DA:O did rather than the nonsense DA2 introduced.

But, that is restrictive. A Ghey Warden only had one LI option (Leliana for females and Zevran for males). Not fair

So what? Homosexuals have less options in real life as well, comes with the territory.

That is unless it's 2 women, then magical things happen! <_<

[jlb524]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
So what? Homosexuals have less options in real life as well, comes with the territory.

So do a-holes.

Let's limit choices for Renegades!

Really, they should just eliminate the Renegade response for half the conversations and make you spam the Paragon one in those instances.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:47 .

[Xilizhra]

So what? Homosexuals have less options in real life as well, comes with the territory/

It's not exactly fun to play. What would you say about having almost all homosexual options with only one token bisexual one?

[Inquisitor Recon]

jlb524 wrote...
I know your opinion and now I'm asking you to provide specific justifications for why you have that opinion.

I relate better with people I share interests, views, beliefs, with. That's not opinion.

The same can be said for some of the s/s romances.

A much smaller group of players, so you're telling me that everybody should have to deal with all bisexual LIs some some people don't feel left-out or some similar nonsense?

I don't 'expect' anything...it's more like a 'request'.

That's funny, it certainly doesn't seem that way on these boards most of the time. In fact it seems the "make everybody bisexual" requests only really picked up after Bioware confirmed they would be adding this sort of thing.

You're also dodging the issue that these romances aren't 'realistic' they are 'fanservice' the LIs 'don't act like actual people' they can be completed by simply picking the right lines no matter the sexuality involved, yet you focus your ire on the s/s ones...which is applying a double standard.

I'm dodging the issue? Explain to me how poor writing in one area justifies making it worse.

[Xilizhra]

I relate better with people I share interests, views, beliefs, with. That's not opinion.

Ah, right, homophobes.

A much smaller group of players, so you're telling me that everybody should have to deal with all bisexual LIs some some people don't feel left-out or some similar nonsense?

Why do you keep saying "all bisexual" like it's a thing that's going to happen in ME3?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
So what? Homosexuals have less options in real life as well, comes with the territory.

Kaiser's right. So why would you expect the same number of options, knowing that the devs only have so much time to work with and that the romances are a minor thing to begin with.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Xilizhra wrote...
Ah, right, homophobes.

A zealot calling me a homophobe isn't all that concerning. You already tried bigot and homophobe, care to try a new label?

Why do you keep saying "all bisexual" like it's a thing that's going to happen in ME3?

DA2 did it, and your demanding the same thing, and I don't have all that much faith in Bioware as of late.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:53 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Sabariel wrote...

So that should extend to every aspect of their life? Cold, man, very cold.

We shouldn't even have these sorts of romances in videogames to begin with, let alone such an unrealistic, disproportionate amount of bi ones we're getting now.

Sunnie22 wrote...
That is unless it's 2 women, then magical things happen! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Last time I checked homosexual covered lesbians as well. And personally I wouldn't mind having the asari removed for just that reason, as their only purpose is clearly fanservice.

Xilizhra wrote...

So what? Homosexuals have less options in real life as well, comes with the territory/

It's not exactly fun to play. What would you say about having almost all homosexual options with only one token bisexual one?

Then I wouldn't romance anyone, simple as that. I did the same with DA2, where the female romanceables were rather lacking.