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[Kaiser Shepard]

fostered wrote...

I think Dragon Age 2 did a good job with the romance aspect not so much on the whole story overall persay, and I'm hoping Mass Effect 3 takes the good things from DA2 and fixes the not so good things.

There were no good things in DA2, at least not compared to Origins or the ME series. Well, there were some decent characters, but gameplay and design-wise I would've prefered the team to pull an "Obsidian".

ReconTeam wrote...

OnionXI wrote...
Can't speak for Recon but I'd settle for a world where the writers write gay characters and straight characters but they're all distinct and have set backstories. Kind of like...um...oh New Vegas.

That'd work over this "everybody's bisexual" business.

Agreed.

[tagoloan boy]

OnionXI wrote...

Comsky159 wrote...

I think what I'm most worried about is they'll do away with the platonic relationship in pursuit of inclusiveness, further homogenizing already highly alike relationship dynamics to keep one group happy. Although I find the romance subplots engaging I'd have to say that my characters are Wrex and Garrus (as a male obviously) because I adore the "bro" dynamism they propagate.

I like versatility in the way relationships manifest themselves and I don't want every character thinking about Shepard's derriere constantly.

Basically I guess I just generally oppose new romance in ME3 altogether, however I'll accept them as long as the platonic concept of "friend" isn't butchered in these new romances' wake.

I strongly agree with this and it's something I'm a little concerned about too. The platonic relationships in BioWare games to me have far exceeded the romances which come off as pretty shallow and a matter of pandering to whatever character.

agree with this too!

[Inquisitor Recon]

tagoloan boy wrote...
And kaiden too

At this point, sure. They could have Kaidan, Jack as bi options, and leave the rest alone. Beats every LI being bisexual for sure.

[Russalka]

And when have a lot of people seriously suggested for everyone to be bisexual? That would just be silly, even though it would be totally hot.

[tagoloan boy]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

This argument always descends into stupidity, because on one hand you have some quite prejudiced people, and on the other hand, you have lots of people who think it's morally wrong for anyone to have a different world view to them.

I am honestly not sure which is the more horrifying.

Hundreds of shades of moderate debate from people (that is, the rest of us) get lost in between the black and white of 2 different sorts of reactionary fascism. Yay.

Agree with this too! I think we need to take a deep breath and reset. There are reasons for both sides to want what they want. I don't think we need jump down each others throats just because we disagree on something. And to those who do, well your guilty of being something you claim to be against.

[fostered]

I feel like the everyone is bisexual option is nice because then you can like the characters for their, you know, characters. I'm not opposing having gay characters and straight characters with distinct and set backstories. That's cool. But I mean, its a video game and maybe I like a character who they made gay, or a character they made straight. It'd be nice to have the option to like people for their personalities. Sexuality is pretty incidental to personality for me. And definitely don't get rid of the being bros option, but if I want to chase a character romantically I would like the option.

[Sabariel]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...


And look how it suffered in the choice department. Not just the choice/consequence one, because I've largely already given up hope for that one, but simple illusion of choice: there isn't a single real choice you make in that game.

How does every LI being "bisexual" affect the "choice department"?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Russalka wrote...

And when have a lot of people seriously suggested for everyone to be bisexual? That would just be silly, even though it would be totally hot.

Because that way it adds to the few characters who aren't just heterosexual.

To compare, the foursome of Morrigan, Alistair, Leliana and Zevran felt more unique that the mess we got in DA2, they were more powerful personality wise because of it.

Or comparing it to the gender non-issue in Thedas: obviously Aveline is meant to a strong, independent woman. A Knight-Captain no less! Yet she doesn't impress in the least, because female knights are as common as the smell of wet mabari in Ferelden.

[Sabariel]

ReconTeam wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Also, asking to keep it in the bedroom, as an implication of never allowing the fact that you have a relationship to be exposed to the public, is another form of attack.

Well yeah, do keep it in the bedroom. I have no need to know, read, or  - worst of all - see people's sexual activities (depravities, if you will) when not asked for. And with that I mean all of y'all, not just one minority or anything.

Kaiser summed up my thoughts on the matter. I'm not "attacking" you by expecting that. I don't like heterosexual guys giving me graphic details of their "exploits" either.

Just because the characters are all "bi" does not mean you will have to watch them all have sex with a person of the same gender or listen to "graphic details of their exploits". Not even Isabela had raunchy stories to tell. Too bad....

Jek Romano Shavo wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...


And
look how it suffered in the choice department. Not just the
choice/consequence one, because I've largely already given up hope for
that one, but simple illusion of choice: there isn't a single real
choice you make in that game.

How does every LI being "bisexual" affect the "choice department"?

Well,
I can't speak for Kaiser Shepard, but if Dragon Age 2 had a dev cycle
of only 18 months, and they decide to record dialouge for both genders,
shouldn't that take up a lot of time and resources? I mean around a
quarter of that dev time? Thereby making Dragon Age 2 somewhat lacking
in player agency? And the quality of the side-quests? (As evidenced by
delivering a skeleton finger to a priest with no odd dialouge. Just
"here's your garbage, serah!")

Again, this is purely speculation on my part.

I very seriously doubt the romances had that much of an affect.

Modifié par Sabariel, 19 septembre 2011 - 08:08 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Sabariel wrote...

How does every LI being "bisexual" affect the "choice department"?

Because it's starting to feel like it's at the cost of the devs slacking in that department, and getting away with it simply because everyone can have sex with anyone now.

Edit: What Shavo said, yeah. With a limited development window come finite resources.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 19 septembre 2011 - 08:09 .

[SkittlesKat96]

I'm against them making every character bisexual (for most of the reasons that other people have pointed out in this thread) that said though I'm not going to completely boycott Bioware, stop playing their games or hate them if they do that.

[Sabariel]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

How does every LI being "bisexual" affect the "choice department"?

Because it's starting to feel like it's at the cost of the devs slacking in that department, and getting away with it simply because everyone can have sex with anyone now.

Sabariel wrote...

I very seriously doubt the romances had that much of an affect.

[Nashiktal]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Why not provide options to those that want it?

Sure, if it's presented as an actual option, i.e. one that you can actually (de)activate at the gameplay settings menu.

Only if I get a toggle for no girls in the game, no characters with yellow skin color, and definitey no religion.

[Russalka]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Because that way it adds to the few characters who aren't just heterosexual.

To compare, the foursome of Morrigan, Alistair, Leliana and Zevran felt more unique that the mess we got in DA2, they were more powerful personality wise because of it.

Or comparing it to the gender non-issue in Thedas: obviously Aveline is meant to a strong, independent woman. A Knight-Captain no less! Yet she doesn't impress in the least, because female knights are as common as the smell of wet mabari in Ferelden.

I see opinions. I disagree with some and agree with others. Why would yours matter more than mine?

Bioware has its stance and its plans, it is unlikely they will change anything now.

And they did say making them all bisexual is more economical than making it a variety package.

[Never]

        When DA2 announced all the LIs were going to be bi, I wasn't that excited about it. It just seemed a little too unrealistic. But then I played it, and saw the beauty of it. IT TOTAL DEPENDS ON YOU. The only thing that Bioware seemed to regret was having Anders hit on Hawke first. Isabela was the only one who talked about actually being bi, the others were gay/bi/straight depending on what you wanted them to be. I don't think it took any depth away from the characters at all. I think that's called a win-win situation. 
        That being said, I reeeally don't think Bioware is going to go the all bi route. I don't think the "wider" audience they're going for is ready for it. As much as I want everyone who wants Kaidan to get him, I imagine the new characters will be the s/s LIs.

[Nashiktal]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...


There were no good things in DA2, at least not compared to Origins or the ME series. Well, there were some decent characters, but gameplay and design-wise I would've prefered the team to pull an "Obsidian".

 
No good things? The game was an underfunded, rushed mess, but saying no good came out of it is not fair.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 19 septembre 2011 - 08:19 .

[ElitePinecone]

Jek Romano Shavo wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...


And look how it suffered in the choice department. Not just the choice/consequence one, because I've largely already given up hope for that one, but simple illusion of choice: there isn't a single real choice you make in that game.

How does every LI being "bisexual" affect the "choice department"?

Well, I can't speak for Kaiser Shepard, but if Dragon Age 2 had a dev cycle of only 18 months, and they decide to record dialouge for both genders, shouldn't that take up a lot of time and resources? I mean around a quarter of that dev time? Thereby making Dragon Age 2 somewhat lacking in player agency? And the quality of the side-quests? (As evidenced by delivering a skeleton finger to a priest with no odd dialouge. Just "here's your garbage, serah!")

Again, this is purely speculation on my part.

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. A quarter of dev time? For a few dozen lines of dialogue and some animation work?

Criticise DA2's bare-bones player agency, storyline and lack of quests all you want - I do often enough - but don't bame it on what amounts to four extra cutscenes and some dialogue. 

[Quole]

I hated it in DA2. Made talking to people kind of awkward. Then again, I hated almost everything in DA2.

[Nashiktal]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Jek Romano Shavo wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...


And look how it suffered in the choice department. Not just the choice/consequence one, because I've largely already given up hope for that one, but simple illusion of choice: there isn't a single real choice you make in that game.

How does every LI being "bisexual" affect the "choice department"?

Well, I can't speak for Kaiser Shepard, but if Dragon Age 2 had a dev cycle of only 18 months, and they decide to record dialouge for both genders, shouldn't that take up a lot of time and resources? I mean around a quarter of that dev time? Thereby making Dragon Age 2 somewhat lacking in player agency? And the quality of the side-quests? (As evidenced by delivering a skeleton finger to a priest with no odd dialouge. Just "here's your garbage, serah!")

Again, this is purely speculation on my part.

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. A quarter of dev time? For a few dozen lines of dialogue and some animation work?

Criticise DA2's bare-bones player agency, storyline and lack of quests all you want - I do often enough - but don't bame it on what amounts to four extra cutscenes and some dialogue. 

This completely. The problems DA2 had were MUCH deeper rooted than what you are implying.

[Quole]

greengoron89 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
...pull an "Obsidian".

What the heck does that mean?

I was wondering the exact same thing. LOL. Does he mean "to be forced to meet an impossible deadline by the publisher"? That's the only way to pull an "Obsidian" that I can think of.

Kaiser is kind of an idiot.