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[Lenimph]

ladyvader wrote...

What was hard to understand?

That straight girls like to play with boobies

Modifié par Lenimph, 19 septembre 2011 - 04:30 .

[Xilizhra]

ladyvader wrote...

What was hard to understand?

Well, what physical characteristics exist in asari that are so distinct from a human woman that a heterosexual human woman would be attracted to them?

[ladyvader]

Mr.House wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

The safe thing is to make them not hit on Shepard. Let Shepard initiate it, make sure it's clear as friggen day that the option you are selecting is hitting on them, and you can play the entire game really never knowing their sexual preferences.

That's what people keep bringing up, I don't want such and such a character hitting on me.

Otherwise, I say deal with it. I have to deal with Shiala suddenly finding my straight femShep attractive and hitting on her. You don't understand how hard I face palmed when she did her little shoulder stroke thing. What happened to that awesome wise asari from the first game? Why couldn't she just have said, thanks Shepard *hand shake.*

But noooooooooooo, asari are genderless and go any which way on the swing. I don't care, any woman into an asari has to be at least bisexual if not full out lesbian. It is a homosexual relationship.

Don't tell that to Leia Shepard.  She isn't into human females at all and isn't bi.  She is very much hetrosexual that happen to fall in love with an asari.  That does NOT make her bi nor a lesbian.

Your femshep is dating a person with a body similar to a female human, she is a lesbian.

Only in your head.  It's not how I RP.  Deal with it.  After their first meld on the Normandy when Liara first got on board something awaken in her.  It has nothing to on how Liara looks.  It's a mental thing.  Like I said before, it's how I RP.  Deal with it.

[ladyvader]

Lenimph wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

What was hard to understand?

That straight girls like to play with boobies

It's a mental thing.  Not looks.   It's called ROLE PLAYING.  

[Kathleen321]

@ladyvader
I find Liara attractive as well and if that makes me 2% bi then that is perfectly ok. But she is definitely a she.

[AdmiralCheez]

ladyvader wrote...

It's a mental thing.  Not looks.   It's called ROLE PLAYING.

Brainsex fetish?

I can live with that.

[Lucky Thirteen]

ladyvader wrote...
Don't tell that to Leia Shepard.  She isn't into human females at all and isn't bi.  She is very much hetrosexual that happen to fall in love with an asari.  That does NOT make her bi nor a lesbian.

The asari have a very distinct female human form. They have breasts and hips and to find that shape sexually attractive...I don't see how that doesn't make a woman attracted to that form bi or lesbian. A straight woman would be more attracted to, you know, the male form. 

[Xilizhra]

ladyvader wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

What was hard to understand?

That straight girls like to play with boobies

It's a mental thing.  Not looks.   It's called ROLE PLAYING.  

Understood, but if she wasn't attracted to Liara physically in some way... well, asari do seem to receive physical pleasure from touch and suchlike, and given the intimate setting in general, I just think it'd make things quite difficult. Though I suppose there'd be ways to get around that.

[Mr.House]

ladyvader wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

The safe thing is to make them not hit on Shepard. Let Shepard initiate it, make sure it's clear as friggen day that the option you are selecting is hitting on them, and you can play the entire game really never knowing their sexual preferences.

That's what people keep bringing up, I don't want such and such a character hitting on me.

Otherwise, I say deal with it. I have to deal with Shiala suddenly finding my straight femShep attractive and hitting on her. You don't understand how hard I face palmed when she did her little shoulder stroke thing. What happened to that awesome wise asari from the first game? Why couldn't she just have said, thanks Shepard *hand shake.*

But noooooooooooo, asari are genderless and go any which way on the swing. I don't care, any woman into an asari has to be at least bisexual if not full out lesbian. It is a homosexual relationship.

Don't tell that to Leia Shepard.  She isn't into human females at all and isn't bi.  She is very much hetrosexual that happen to fall in love with an asari.  That does NOT make her bi nor a lesbian.

Your femshep is dating a person with a body similar to a female human, she is a lesbian.

Only in your head.  It's not how I RP.  Deal with it.  After their first meld on the Normandy when Liara first got on board something awaken in her.  It has nothing to on how Liara looks.  It's a mental thing.  Like I said before, it's how I RP.  Deal with it.

Um watch the ME sex scene again, your femshep and Liara had phyiscal sex, she is a lesbian. Deal with it.

[Inquisitor Recon]

People are homophobes because they don't want to see characters made bisexual for the sake of some whiny fans who want to sleep with certain characters who happen to be the same gender?

Seems like the problem is those fans to begin with.

Characters being "bisexualized" is downright insulting for the majority of those who aren't demanding such absurd scenarios. Chances are these characters are straight and they would continue to be so if not for the demands of those who refuse to accept that not everybody is available as a romance option.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 19 septembre 2011 - 04:38 .

[Xilizhra]

Um watch the ME sex scene again, your femshep and Liara had phyiscal sex, she is a lesbian. Deal with it.

This is starting to go a bit far... you can't really pigeonhole sexuality into just three categories.

[Darth Krytie]

This is the first case of WNGWJILWEO (we're not gay, we're just in love with each other) I've seen so far in Bioware fandom. It's truly loltastic.

[Xilizhra]

ReconTeam wrote...

People are homophobes because they don't want to see characters made bisexual for the sake of some whiny fans who want to sleep with certain characters who happen to be the same gender?

Seems like the problem is those fans to begin with.

Characters being "bisexualized" is downright insulting for the majority of those who aren't demanding such absurd scenarios. Chances are these characters are straight and they would continue to be so if not for the demands of those who refuse to accept that not everybody is avalible to them as a romance option.

Continue to be so? It's never been made clear in the first place. There is no continuation.

[FoxHound109]

ReconTeam wrote...

Chances are these characters are straight...

Chances do not equate to facts. You are assuming that the only reason these characters could possibly be bi or homosexual is because the writers are trying to please a certain audience. "Chances are" that it could be true, but you'll never really know, and therefore your argument holds no water.

[Lenimph]

ladyvader wrote...
It's a mental thing.  Not looks.   It's called ROLE PLAYING.  

I see... so Liara's the boy  

jk jk dun listen to me 

[Kaiser Shepard]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Of course something's wrong: nowadays, when you aren't romantically involved with someone of your gender or don't fanatically support gay "equality", you're automatically a homophobe.

Oh look, it's that non-existent argument that resembles "reverse racism!"

Visual aid time!

*snip*

You are the baby. The spoon is the principle of equality. See how he fails to grasp it?

I don't see how reverse racism factors into this at all. I'm simply saying if they go as far as to make everyone bisexual just to accomodate to a fairly small niche, they might as well include an "all black" or an "all lefties" option too. There are more obese people than non-heterosexual ones in today's society, but does that mean that we need a mode to accomodate that (larger) minority as well?

Xilizhra wrote...

See an overzealous bigot, reply with zeal. I don't believe it counts as bigotry, as I'm only ever speaking in regards to an opinion they've expressed.

I remember the old days in which a liberal would (or could?) still argue in an openminded, nuanced way. Sigh, you kids are just as imposing as your conservative counterparts nowadays.

Darth Krytie wrote...

That you're angry at the even hint that a character is gay. (Regardless if he or she wasn't out before).

The main problem most people have with this isn't that a character just happens to be gay, but that now everybody turns out to be just that, despite initially being established otherwise. I'd have the same complaints if the reverse were true.

FoxHound109 wrote...

It's less of approaching someone of a contrary opinion with too much zeal and approaching it with the furstration that this has been discussed to death. This isn't just beating a dead horse: this is like Sarah Jessica Parker beating ANOTHER dead horse and then having to sit there and watch as her attack spirals out of control. All over again. For the millionth time. While we're at it, why don't we just start the endless complaining about James Vega, just to kill two birds with a single stone. It would save a lot of time for everybody involved.

I'm not too familiar with this Sarah Jessica Parker, so the impact of that analogy is lost on me. But in case you wanted to know, I am already complaining about Vega being an unlikeable ass in the comic.

ladyvader wrote...

What was hard to understand?

Of course it is, it doesn't coincide with their own beliefs and preferences. Cheez is an exception, but then again she always appears to be more understanding.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 19 septembre 2011 - 04:40 .

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

Um watch the ME sex scene again, your femshep and Liara had phyiscal sex, she is a lesbian. Deal with it.

This is starting to go a bit far... you can't really pigeonhole sexuality into just three categories.

If femshep enjoys PHYSICAL sex with Liara, they are bi/lesbian/pen, they are not straight. It's simple as that, Asari sex is not just pure mind melding, ME shwoed this.

[AdmiralCheez]

rynluna wrote...

But they kiss before they have this brainsex.  That's lesbianish. 
My mind is blown. 

There is a bit of a difference between what a human woman can do to you and what an asari can do to you.  So, theoretically, it's possible to be attracted to the asari without being attracted to human women.

Whole new kind of sex and all that.

[Xilizhra]

Darth Krytie wrote...

This is the first case of WNGWJILWEO (we're not gay, we're just in love with each other) I've seen so far in Bioware fandom. It's truly loltastic.

The point of the Agenda is to make them like being gay; you're being too blatant about it.

[Dhiro]

ladyvader wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

The safe thing is to make them not hit on Shepard. Let Shepard initiate it, make sure it's clear as friggen day that the option you are selecting is hitting on them, and you can play the entire game really never knowing their sexual preferences.

That's what people keep bringing up, I don't want such and such a character hitting on me.

Otherwise, I say deal with it. I have to deal with Shiala suddenly finding my straight femShep attractive and hitting on her. You don't understand how hard I face palmed when she did her little shoulder stroke thing. What happened to that awesome wise asari from the first game? Why couldn't she just have said, thanks Shepard *hand shake.*

But noooooooooooo, asari are genderless and go any which way on the swing. I don't care, any woman into an asari has to be at least bisexual if not full out lesbian. It is a homosexual relationship.

Don't tell that to Leia Shepard.  She isn't into human females at all and isn't bi.  She is very much hetrosexual that happen to fall in love with an asari.  That does NOT make her bi nor a lesbian.

Your femshep is dating a person with a body similar to a female human, she is a lesbian.

Only in your head.  It's not how I RP.  Deal with it.  After their first meld on the Normandy when Liara first got on board something awaken in her.  It has nothing to on how Liara looks.  It's a mental thing.  Like I said before, it's how I RP.  Deal with it.

So in her mental sex with Liara, she has a penis?

[FoxHound109]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I don't see how reverse racism factors into this at all. I'm simply saying if they go as far as to make everyone bisexual just to accomodate to a fairly small niche, they might as well include an "all black" or an "all lefties" option too. There are more obese people than non-heterosexual ones in today's society, but does that mean that we need a mode to accomodate that (larger) minority as well?

There is a massive chasm standing right between "I think turning all characters bisexual is unrealistic" and "IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS YOU'RE TREATED LIKE A BIGGOT AND I AM THEREFORE A VICTIM NOW!" Seriously.

FoxHound109 wrote...

I'm not too familiar with this Sarah Jessica Parker, so the impact of that analogy is lost on me. But in case you wanted to know, I am already complaining about Vega being an unlikeable ass in the comic.

Again: baby, meet spoon! 

...or not...

[Inquisitor Recon]

FoxHound109 wrote...
Chances do not equate to facts. You are assuming that the only reason these characters could possibly be bi or homosexual is because the writers are trying to please a certain audience. "Chances are" that it could be true, but you'll never really know, and therefore your argument holds no water.

Statistically it is the far more likely scenario as well. If your going to say it's theoretically possible so Bioware should do it" thinking you're in no position to talk about the validity of my argument.

Xilizhra wrote...
Continue to be so? It's never been made clear in the first place. There is no continuation.

So
I am supposed to operate under your wish that they are bisexual
unless they specifically state they are straight, despite only showing
interest in the opposite gender?

Makes perfect sense...

Modifié par ReconTeam, 19 septembre 2011 - 04:45 .

[Xilizhra]

I remember the old days in which a liberal would (or could?) still argue in an openminded, nuanced way. Sigh, you kids are just as imposing as your conservative counterparts nowadays.

I'm quite willing to argue with openmindedness and nuance with those who are capable of such in return. The amount of people who are on the other side of the "bisexuality in video games" argument is practically nil.

The main problem most people have with this isn't that a character just happens to be gay, but that now everybody turns out to be just that, despite initially being established otherwise. I'd have the same complaints if the reverse were true.

Conveniently, no one is gay, not everyone is bi, and most weren't established as anything specific.

Statistically it is the far more likely scenario as well. If your going to say it's theoretically possible so Bioware should do it" thinking you're in no position to talk about the validity of my argument.

The validity of your argument? 'Tis difficult to talk about something that doesn't exist...

Modifié par Xilizhra, 19 septembre 2011 - 04:44 .