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[FoxHound109]

ReconTeam wrote...

I'd say they do have ground to stand on, based on what is probable, and what we know of these characters from ME1 and ME2. But all of you seem to be under the assumption that Bioware should do it just because you want it and it's theoretically possible.

Sorry, but you still haven't quoted me where I said that the SHOULD do it rather than that they COULD do it. I'll give you a minute or two...

For the record, the problem is that you THINK you know enough of these characters from ME and ME 2 to make assumptions about them. But the problem with your line of thought is that you DON'T know enough about these characters from either game to make assumptions about their sexualities. All you know is that a few have shown attraction to the opposite sex, which doesn't mean anything about their sexuality other than they show attraction for the opposite sex. You are running under the assumption that because A is true, then B must not be true, which is you basically just feeding your own ideas of what these characters are. You are pretty much doing EXACTLY what you're accusing S/S supporters who think it's possible for Bioware to have bisexual characters. 

Simple:

1.) Character X doesn't mention sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is therefore unknown.

2.) Character X displays sexual attraction to opposite sex. Character X therefore is either heterosexual or bisexual. Status of sexual oriention? STILL unknown. 

I'm not sure why you have to go out of your way to do logical gymnastics to prove a non-existent point. If you complained that the all the characters being bisexual was a problem, then sure, it's less likely to hold up in the sense of suspension of disbelief. But that ANY of these characters, individually, is being retconed if made bisexual (keyword being INDIVIDUALLY) is just seriously grasping at straws.

Edit: corrected myself. I said "assumptions about them" and I meant "assumptions about their sexualities."

Modifié par FoxHound109, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:10 .

[Xilizhra]

ReconTeam wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
You act like you're entitled to the vastly disproportionate amount of straight content you've gotten so far with romances.

Vastly disproportionate amount of straight content? Are we in some sort of alternate universe or something?

Well, there's only one possible f/f romance, none that are m/m, and nine hetero... so yes, I'd say the ratio is a tad imbalanced.

[ADLegend21]

rynluna wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Great, whiny fans again. They want to change the sexuality of heroes of the galaxy to suit their pathetic interests ... My bros, Kaidan, Garrus, Thane etc. and the women on Normandy will be the same as before (ME1,2).

End of the line.

Let the hate flow through you, Jedi.

 /thread

[KawaiiKatie]

ladyvader wrote...
 It has nothing to on how Liara looks.  It's a mental thing.

Please stop validating the "Liara isn't female" thing. Liara rubbed her naked body all over yours and even rolled around in bed with you and you can't just handwave it and say, "Oh, it's a mental thing, my femShep is totally heterosexual."

From that point of view, a gay male Shepard could be with Liara (or Ashley, or any woman for that matter) and say, "No, I'm still completely homosexual, the female body grosses me out, trust me, the entire time I was rolling around in bed with her, I was disgusted, thank god we had a mental connection."

I mean, whatever, you can say that and tell everyone to "deal with it" cause "that's how you ROLE PLAY!" but you have to accept that your logic is flawed and no one is going to believe you.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:17 .

[Kathleen321]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

rynluna wrote...

So FemShep is in a fog.  Okay.

All I'm saying is it's possible.  None of us have been brainsexed, however, so it's anyone's guess.

I mean, let's face it, people are turned on by weird sh*t.  I'd bang a turian IRL, I kid you not.

Yep... not judgeing anyone cause I'm guilty of that too.. muhahahah 

[FoxHound109]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Please explain in what way I'm acting like I'm entitled to anything. And while you're at it, you might as well indulge my curiousity as to why "making a point" seems to equal posting random gifs or placing quotes out of context with you.

Because you are incredibly blind and therefore it is simpler - and a thousand times more entertaining - to reply to you in funny gifs that go over your head. Like all the points made. 

[Maugrim]

Guys despite the "Liara is an It Right?" troll thread I participated in a while ago the asari are clearly female. They have been said to be so repeatedly in all media and by word of god. There is no reasonable debate on this subject.

Your female Shepard is in a lesbian relationship if they are with an asari, you deal with it.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:11 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Let's not knock each other's roleplaying, mmkay?

I mean, what's next, you guys gonna critique the logic and politics of my idle daydreams during art history lecture?

[ObserverStatus]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Guys despite the "Liara is an It Right?" troll thread I participated in a while ago the asari are clearly female. They have been said to be so repeatedly in all media and by word of god. There is no reasonable debate on this subject.

You've female Shepard is in a lesbian relationship if they are with an asari, you deal with it.

Stupid English, y u no have good gender neutral pronouns?

[AdmiralCheez]

jreezy wrote...

Why are your comments always gold?

Spend as much time here as I do, son, and you get good at what you do.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Please explain in what way I am acting like I'm entitled to anything. And while you're at it, you might as well indulge my curiousity as to why "making a point" seems to equal posting random gifs or placing quotes out of context with you.

You act like you're entitled to the vastly disproportionate amount of straight content you've gotten so far with romances.

Oh please, the only thing I sometimes act like I'm entitled to is my choices having actual consequences in BioWare games. If I were to act like I was entitled in the whole sexuality debacle, I'd argue for either full-on asexuality, more meaningful romances and/or more tragic ones.

Also, how is one full bisexual relationship and a several light ones to eight exclusively heterosexual romaces vastly disproportionate in your disadvantage? Hell, even just the one would be more than representative enough.

[ADLegend21]

Once again, deal with the changes. this time with sunglasses.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[KawaiiKatie]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Your female Shepard is in a lesbian relationship if they are with an asari, you deal with it.

Thank you.



Ugh, it's going to be a long six months...

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:15 .

[Xilizhra]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Let's not knock each other's roleplaying, mmkay?

I mean, what's next, you guys gonna critique the logic and politics of my idle daydreams during art history lecture?

Gladly. Bring it on.

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...
How is it "optional" if everybody else gets stuck with characters that were bisexualized just for the sake of some small, outspoken faction of the people who play this series? That's not an option.

Don't engage in s/s romances.

I feel as if I have the option to avoid o/s romance, and I have since the series began.  I'm not sure why those that don't like s/s content can't simply do the same.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:15 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Yet we are indeed talking about a very small percentage of overall players who want the ability to sleep with specific characters who are currently not options. Things like paragon and renegade choices, all of the different classes, the character customizer are real, important gameplay aspects, things that make the game. The romances as a whole are a very minor aspect. Going around making everybody bisexual because some people want to sleep with *insert LI here* and can't is detracting from the game for the people who like those team-members for who they are now and want more of they got in ME1 and ME2, rather than Shepard-sexuals interested in only romance.

[AdmiralCheez]

Xilizhra wrote...

Gladly. Bring it on.

Well, there was this one time I was thinking to myself, "hey, wouldn't it be cool if we rode around on robot narwhals instead of cars?"

Seriously, though.  I don't like it when people I'm technically on the same side as act like dicks.  It makes me feel guilty by association.

[syllogi]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
 It has nothing to on how Liara looks.  It's a mental thing.

Please stop validating the "Liara isn't female" thing. Liara rubbed her naked body all over yours and even rolled around in bed with you and you can't just handwave it and say, "Oh, it's a mental thing, my femShep is totally heterosexual."

From that point of view, a gay male Shepard could be with Liara (or Ashley, or any woman for that matter) and say, "No, I'm still completely homosexual, the female body grosses me out, trust me, the entire time I was rolling around in bed with her, I was disgusted, thank god we had a mental connection."

I mean, whatever, you can say that and tell everyone to "deal with it" cause "that's how you ROLE PLAY!" but you have to accept that your logic is flawed and no one is going to believe you.

Pretty sure it was ladyvader who said that, not AD, but otherwise I agree with the above.

Personally, I would be pretty appalled if someone I was physically intimate with later revealed that they were not physically attracted to my body, and only felt a mental attraction to me.  Then...why would you roll around naked with me at all???  Liara deserves a partner who isn't confused or lying to themselves and her.

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...
Yet we are indeed talking about a very small percentage of overall players who want the ability to sleep with specific characters who are currently not options. Things like paragon and renegade choices, all of the different classes, the character customizer are real, important gameplay aspects, things that make the game. The romances as a whole are a very minor aspect. Going around making everybody bisexual because some people want to sleep with *insert LI here* and can't is detracting from the game for the people who like those team-members for who they are now and want more of they got in ME1 and ME2, rather than Shepard-sexuals interested in only romance.

Of course..this will completely change these characters and they will talk about nothing but romance!

If that's your justification, it's not very good.

[Xilizhra]

Yet we are indeed talking about a very small percentage of overall players who want the ability to sleep with specific characters who are currently not options. Things like paragon and renegade choices, all of the different classes, the character customizer are real, important gameplay aspects, things that make the game. The romances as a whole are a very minor aspect. Going around making everybody bisexual because some people want to sleep with *insert LI here* and can't is detracting from the game for the people who like those team-members for who they are now and want more of they got in ME1 and ME2, rather than Shepard-sexuals interested in only romance.

It may be minor to you. It isn't for other people.

Seriously, though. I don't like it when people I'm technically on the same side as act like dicks. It makes me feel guilty by association.

Take comfort in the fact that there's not a single non-dick on the opposite side.

[AdmiralCheez]

ReconTeam wrote...

Yet we are indeed talking about a very small percentage of overall players who want the ability to sleep with specific characters who are currently not options. Things like paragon and renegade choices, all of the different classes, the character customizer are real, important gameplay aspects, things that make the game. The romances as a whole are a very minor aspect. Going around making everybody bisexual because some people want to sleep with *insert LI here* and can't is detracting from the game for the people who like those team-members for who they are now and want more of they got in ME1 and ME2, rather than Shepard-sexuals interested in only romance.

Actually, the romances ARE a very big part of the game.  In fact, Bioware's made a reputation on them.

Oh yeah, and who you are is not defined by who you want to f*ck.  You think Tali would start wearing flannel all the time while Garrus developed a lisp?

[Siansonea]

Obligatory post in obvious troll thread.

[FoxHound109]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Let's not knock each other's roleplaying, mmkay?

I mean, what's next, you guys gonna critique the logic and politics of my idle daydreams during art history lecture?

Thank you. I thought I was the only one annoyed at people trying to tell someone whether THEIR Shepard was gay, bisexual, or straight.