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[thatguy212]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Gladly. Bring it on.

Well, there was this one time I was thinking to myself, "hey, wouldn't it be cool if we rode around on robot narwhals instead of cars?"

Seriously, though.  I don't like it when people I'm technically on the same side as act like dicks.  It makes me feel guilty by association.

Yah but robot narwhals have terrible gas mileage

[FoxHound109]

ReconTeam wrote...

Yet we are indeed talking about a very small percentage of overall players who want the ability to sleep with specific characters who are currently not options. Things like paragon and renegade choices, all of the different classes, the character customizer are real, important gameplay aspects, things that make the game. The romances as a whole are a very minor aspect. Going around making everybody bisexual because some people want to sleep with *insert LI here* and can't is detracting from the game for the people who like those team-members for who they are now and want more of they got in ME1 and ME2, rather than Shepard-sexuals interested in only romance.

Yeah, no. This argument has legs as strong as Joker's.

Modifié par FoxHound109, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:22 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Xilizhra wrote...

Take comfort in the fact that there's not a single non-dick on the opposite side.

Well, that doesn't mean we hae a right to be dicks, too.

[KawaiiKatie]

TeenZombie wrote...

Pretty sure it was ladyvader who said that, not AD, but otherwise I agree with the above.

My bad, my bad...! It's been corrected. Nothing to see here!

Personally, I would be pretty appalled if someone I was physically intimate with later revealed that they were not physically attracted to my body, and only felt a mental attraction to me.  Then...why would you roll around naked with me at all???  Liara deserves a partner who isn't confused or lying to themselves and her.

I agree with all of this. I'm definitely not Liara's biggest fan, but I think it's kind of insulting to the character to say, "Oh, I was totally disgusted by her naked female form and I detest kissing her, but our mental connection saves it."

Just... no. <_<

[Sabariel]

If I can survive the awkward "Hey Sailor"-like flirting with Mr. Tight Pants (Jacob), others can certainly survive an instance of same-sex flirting

[Xarathox]

Ticktank wrote...

Uh oh, OP makes sensible arguments. Not gonna work here.

Sensible? Where?

[Leonia]

Sabariel wrote...

If I can survive the awkward "Hey Sailor"-like flirting with Mr. Tight Pants (Jacob), others can certainly survive an instance of same-sex flirting

Hear, hear.

[ObserverStatus]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Yet we are indeed talking about a very small percentage of overall players who want the ability to sleep with specific characters who are currently not options. Things like paragon and renegade choices, all of the different classes, the character customizer are real, important gameplay aspects, things that make the game. The romances as a whole are a very minor aspect. Going around making everybody bisexual because some people want to sleep with *insert LI here* and can't is detracting from the game for the people who like those team-members for who they are now and want more of they got in ME1 and ME2, rather than Shepard-sexuals interested in only romance.

Actually, the romances ARE a very big part of the game.  In fact, Bioware's made a reputation on them.

Oh yeah, and who you are is not defined by who you want to f*ck.  You think Tali would start wearing flannel all the time while Garrus developed a lisp?

And what a fantastic reputation Bioware has made.  However, I am inclined to disagree with your assessment of their significance.  All of the cumulative romantic dialogue branches and cutscenes of any single LI probably make up less than 10 minutes out of a 40 hour game.

Modifié par bobobo878, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:25 .

[Maugrim]

Great now I can romance Alistair, I'll just RP him as a butch lesbian!

Ok that's unrealistic I apologize for the snark...Alistair isn't tough enough to be butch.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

rynluna wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Great, whiny fans again. They want to change the sexuality of heroes of the galaxy to suit their pathetic interests ... My bros, Kaidan, Garrus, Thane etc. and the women on Normandy will be the same as before (ME1,2).

End of the line.

Let the hate flow through you, Jedi.

Its not the matter of hate or love. It is not even compassion to every person.
- The point is changing the sexuality of hetero heroes is nonsense.
- listening to insane ideas and doing them is insanity.
- As a rational & moral being I won't tolerate performing this nonsense for all of customers to please a pathetic irrational minority.
- Bioware is sane enough not to listen to whiny fans (mentioning DA2 romance simulation and its failure)

Therefore I interfere and disagree with this topic.

I'm sorry for those who just support this nonsense for the sake of supporting LGBT. <_<

[Inquisitor Recon]

FoxHound109 wrote...
Sorry, but you still haven't quoted me where I said that the SHOULD do it rather than that they COULD do it. I'll give you a minute or two...

For the record, the problem is that you THINK you know enough of these characters from ME and ME 2 to make assumptions about them. But the problem with your line of thought is that you DON'T know enough about these characters from either game to make assumptions about their sexualities. All you know is that a few have shown attraction to the opposite sex, which doesn't mean anything about their sexuality other than they show attraction for the opposite sex. You are running under the assumption that because A is true, then B must not be true, which is you basically just feeding your own ideas of what these characters are. You are pretty much doing EXACTLY what you're accusing S/S supporters who think it's possible for Bioware to have bisexual characters. 

I'm not sure why you have to go out of your way to do logical gymnastics to prove a non-existent point. If you complained that the all the characters being bisexual was a problem, then sure, it's less likely to hold up in the sense of suspension of disbelief. But that ANY of these characters, individually, is being retconed if made bisexual (keyword being INDIVIDUALLY) is just seriously grasping at straws.

Edit: corrected myself. I said "assumptions about them" and I meant "assumptions about their sexualities."

I wasn't aware I was legally obligated to dig through your old posts, that's not on the contract I'm afraid.

For the record I'm not the one with the problem here. The problem is those asking characters be made bisexual solely because they want them to be so. When they've only shown attraction to people of the opposite sex, when one of them had a wife, etc, chances are that they are indeed straight. Occam's razor or whatever you want to call it. You speak of individually one character being bisexual but it seems everybody has a different idea of what that one character should be. And for some reason the new guy has to be bisexual by default. That isn't Bioware deciding to add a bisexual character because they feel like it. If they listened to this foolish idea as a whole it would be a repeat of DA2 Hawke-sexuals, pure and simple.

[Xilizhra]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Take comfort in the fact that there's not a single non-dick on the opposite side.

Well, that doesn't mean we hae a right to be dicks, too.

They don't even really have a right to talk about it here, given Priestly's message in this forum that fairly explicitly states that attacking s/s relationships isn't allowed.

[BioWareM0d13]

I wouldn't rage quit.

But I do agree with the OP that Bioware shouldn't retcon characters who have only expressed an interest in the opposite sex for two games. My issue isn't with there being bi or gay characters in game, but with characters being retconned to fill the gay/bi romance quota. I would also facepalm if Bioware went the Dragon Age 2 route and just had practically your entire squad be bisexual.

Bioware's best bet would be to have new characters like Vega, who are a blank slate, be the bi or gay romance options. The only exceptions to this should be characters from previous games who have expressed an interest in the same sex (Jack) or characters who never expressed an interest in either sex, one way or the other.

[Lenimph]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Alistair isn't tough enough to be butch.

 :lol:

[Zakatak757]

We need all 4 if we want diverse characters that appeal to all. Bi's, bigot's, ******'s and hetero's.

Bi - Kasumi
Bigot - Ashley
****** - Vega
Hetero - Garrus

The jist of it.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:27 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

It may be minor to you. It isn't for other people.

Then those people should straighten their priorities.

Take comfort in the fact that there's not a single non-dick on the opposite side.

Why thank you.

[Xilizhra]

Then those people should straighten their priorities.

So, stop having fun in the wrong way?

[BioWareM0d13]

Zakatak757 wrote...

We need all 4 if we want diverse characters that appeal to all. Bi's, bigot's, ******'s and hetero's.

Bi - Kasumi
Bigot - Ashley
****** - Vega
Hetero - Garrus

The jist of it.

Ashley's reputation as a bigot is unwarranted, IMO.

In fact she's not a bigot at all. She's probably the most misunderstood squadmate among the fanbase.

[ObserverStatus]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It may be minor to you. It isn't for other people.

Then those people should straighten their priorities.

What? Why? If we kept this in perspective, what would we fight flamewars over?

[ADLegend21]

Zakatak757 wrote...

We need all 4 if we want diverse characters that appeal to all. Bi's, bigot's, ******'s and hetero's.

Bi - Kasumi
Bicurious - Ashley
****** - Vega
Hetero - Garrus

The jist of it.

 fixed.

[FoxHound109]

ReconTeam wrote...

I wasn't aware I was legally obligated to dig through your old posts, that's not on the contract I'm afraid.

I'm sorry, but I don't think you realize how hilarious this reply is after, two pages or so ago, you told somebody else that they thought themselves much too good to provide counter-points to your arguments. Really, I applaud you. It took you a whole two pages to forget your own advice. If you don't feel like digging through old posts then please, by all means, make sure that next time that you accusse somebody of something you actually have any sort of proof to back up your claims.

For the record I'm not the one with the problem here. The problem is those asking characters be made bisexual solely because they want them to be so. When they've only shown attraction to people of the opposite sex, when one of them had a wife, etc, chances are that they are indeed straight.

"Chances are..." is not a factual, concrete argument. This point doesn't stand. 

Occam's razor or whatever you want to call it. You speak of individually one character being bisexual but it seems everybody has a different idea of what that one character should be. And for some reason the new guy has to be bisexual by default. That isn't Bioware deciding to add a bisexual character because they feel like it. If they listened to this foolish idea as a whole it would be a repeat of DA2 Hawke-sexuals, pure and simple.

People in this forum have A LOT of ideas of what each character should be, so your point here is, again, non-existent. Bioware will ultimately decide who is what sexuality and that's pretty much the end of it. Your argument here is based on rampant parania of some scenario that is based on "chances." Good try though. You get an "E" for effort!

[Lucky Thirteen]

Okay guys, let's just get this back to the topic. Didn't mean to dampen people's RPing straight femSheps in love with liara.

I agree that there is too much romance focus by the fans, however it's not the center focus of the game. As I've said before, you can play the whole game without a romance and it still functions fine.

There are many, many choices and things in the game that you miss because you do not select it. You didn't follow a certain path. You play the entire game not aware of this stuff. I've seen so much stuff on youtube that I've never experienced personally in the game and I imagine there is a lot more. This is how we craft our own little stories and experiences and create our Shepards.

Having a handful of bisexual characters and keeping it a choice for the player to find like everything else is in the game should be the goal here.

Again, it can exist in the game, Bioware just needs to leave the romance initiation to Shepard, and most people can play the entire game without ever knowing it existed unless they select that option to initiate it.