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[BlueMagitek]

Hey now, there's no reason to be so cruel to shooter characters.

Doomguy has been through waaaaay more than Shepard has. >_>

[Chuvvy]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Hey now, there's no reason to be so cruel to shooter characters.

Doomguy has been through waaaaay more than Shepard has. >_>

Doomguy is a stonecold badass. He kicked hells ass so hard it brought him back to life.

[Alpha-Centuri]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Why some people think that COD players would even bother with Mass Effect is beyond me.

Not sure if serious..

If he is serious, I can understand. While ME is obviously a shooter in part, its too different. Hell, if the COD guys won't even move on to Battlefield 3, you think they are going to go to a single-player story-centric game with inferior gameplay?* They will continue to play COD. Just like WoW players will continue to play WoW no matter what new mmo comes out.

*Note: I love Mass Effect. Mostly for the story, because the combat isn't exactly pushing the genre bounds of refinement nor creativity.

[BlueMagitek]

I completely agree. I'm just a tad annoyed with all the whining about Vega being there solely to draw in shooter fans. Heck, you could get away with losing a lot of characters in ME2; did you think Bioware wouldn't allow for *any* new characters? Oh no, they're adding a human in, how awful.

If they went into every game with this attitude they'd have hated Doomguy. D=

[FoxHound109]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Why some people think that COD players would even bother with Mass Effect is beyond me.

Not sure if serious..

Dead serious and he (she?) has a point. All the friends I know who like Call of Duty keep asking me why I play a "talking simulator."

[Zkyire]

I'm a CoD fan and love ME too.

I also play old RPGS like Suikoden and Breath of Fire.

Liking CoD does not mean you wont like ME.

[FoxHound109]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

I'm a CoD fan and love ME too.

I also play old RPGS like Suikoden and Breath of Fire.

Liking CoD does not mean you wont like ME.

Not automatically, no. But you're in the minority, my friend.

If a CoD fan didn't already buy Mass Effect, Vega isn't going to change their minds. I don't see why he would.

Modifié par FoxHound109, 20 septembre 2011 - 12:18 .

[Labrev]

If they are smart, they will make Vega's weapon proficiency based on the VS. If our starting squad is Garrus/Tali/Liara/VS then you've either got only one sniper if Ash is dead (Garrus) or one shotgunner if Kaidan's dead.

[Kakistos_]

lovgreno wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

Vega is a dude so the S/S romancers get a new bulky sex toy, thats all.

I suspect this is the plan yes. And in that case there may also be a gal as well for the S/S romancers.

Fine by me, especialy if the new female is also big and muscular.

I was hoping for this as well. There has been speculation on the implementation of Dragon Age 2s Romance system. Everyone was Bisexual and romanceable and I thought it was cheap and Romance for the sake of Romance. If romance options are to be broadened then simply add more gay and bi characters.

[The Twilight God]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

If they are smart, they will make Vega's weapon proficiency based on the VS. If our starting squad is Garrus/Tali/Liara/VS then you've either got only one sniper if Ash is dead (Garrus) or one shotgunner if Kaidan's dead.

I thought there was no weapon restrictions.

[KotorEffect3]

So a thread that was originaly about Vega and the VS turned into a thread about buff chicks and COD.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Nah it was already back on track. To push it even further:

Kakistos_ wrote...

I was hoping for this as well. There has been speculation on the implementation of Dragon Age 2s Romance system. Everyone was Bisexual and romanceable and I thought it was cheap and Romance for the sake of Romance. If romance options are to be broadened then simply add more gay and bi characters.

I agree. If he is bi/gay, then it evens up the M/M relationship side, while F/F already has Liara and Kelly (kinda). So if I had to venture a guess, Vega is a dude for two reasons: You need more squadmates if you lost several in the SM (human male can't really go wrong), and you need a bi/gay guy if they don't retcon expand the other characters' sexual orientation into Shepsexuals.

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 20 septembre 2011 - 01:03 .

[swenson]

Rojahar wrote...

A lot of male gamers for some reason feel threatened by the "other guy" (the human male who's an LI for females) in Bioware games, and tend not to like those characters. Not to mention Bioware fans are often more likely to spare an LI over a non-LI.

Haha, as a female gamer, I admit to feeling slightly threatened by the "other girl" for kinda the same reason... especially when she mentions the possibility of maybe liking Kaidan, which did not endear me to her. To the nuke you go, rival woman!

On a more serious note, yeah, that's probably it. If you know you're going to get a sex scene with Ashley later on (which, let's face it, is the reasoning behind about 95% of all male ME players going through the romance stuff anyway, and they far outnumber the female ME players who'd do the same thing with Kaidan), you aren't going to kill her. And if you genuinely do care about the story, again you'd probably not want to kill her because you genuinely care for her.

If they romance Liara, this is all a moot point, though, and your other point about feeling somewhat threatened by Kaidan probably applies!

[capn233]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
That isn't a fair statement at all.

"I'm sorry Ash. I'd never leave you behind.  I couldn't.  You know that."

Modifié par capn233, 20 septembre 2011 - 02:39 .

[JeffZero]

That line kind of irked me on the file I romanced Ashley with since personal feelings had nothing to do with the decision for my Shepard. But I can understand why the writers would think otherwise, all behind-the-scenes checks accounted for.

[Sajuro]

Just to balance it out, Vega is actually a Hermaphrodite

[capn233]

JeffZero wrote...

That line kind of irked me on the file I romanced Ashley with since personal feelings had nothing to do with the decision for my Shepard. But I can understand why the writers would think otherwise, all behind-the-scenes checks accounted for.

Yeah... seems like more appropriate to maybe say to her privately in any case.  Certainly not in front of the rest of the crew.

[capn233]

They both can, at the same time......

Allllrrrriiiight.

[Sajuro]

capn233 wrote...

They both can, at the same time......

Allllrrrriiiight.

[Gruntyfy]

Great comments! Keep them coming!

[Kakistos_]

swenson wrote...
Haha, as a female gamer, I admit to feeling slightly threatened by the "other girl" for kinda the same reason... especially when she mentions the possibility of maybe liking Kaidan, which did not endear me to her. To the nuke you go, rival woman!

On a more serious note, yeah, that's probably it. If you know you're going to get a sex scene with Ashley later on (which, let's face it, is the reasoning behind about 95% of all male ME players going through the romance stuff anyway, and they far outnumber the female ME players who'd do the same thing with Kaidan), you aren't going to kill her. And if you genuinely do care about the story, again you'd probably not want to kill her because you genuinely care for her.

If they romance Liara, this is all a moot point, though, and your other point about feeling somewhat threatened by Kaidan probably applies!

I never thought of it that way. I was never intimidated by Kaiden and even considered him an in-game friend. I made the decision to leave him to die instead of ashley because after many hours of lamenting this choice and cursing Bioware I concluded that Ashley had more to live for, her family, and her usefullness as a very skilled soildier to my Adept. She and Tali were my wingmen. Forgive me Kaiden...

[DaringMoosejaw]

Eh, if they had Vega's archetype and that turned out to be a woman instead, she would be eerily similar to Ashley so I imagined that influenced the decison.

As for guys saving Ashley over Kaidan because they felt 'threatened', that sounds farfetched.

Whatever you want to say about having a gender-neutral society, women and men are different and not just physically and psychologically, but socially. Claim chivalry is dead all you like, but men are still raised to see women as more valuable than other men and as something that needs to be protected.

If a work of fiction wants poke at someone's emotions by endangering someone, the best way to achieve that next to seeing violence against a child is seeing it against a woman, especially one that's attractive or appears sexually available. That's why horror movies went after the cheerleader.

Me, personally, I'm a guy in my mid-twenties and I find it interesting that whenever I see a work of fiction kill off a girl, I find it far more emotionally jarring than if they kill off a random dude. In fact, it would take a lot of character development for me to give a damn about a guy being killed in a movie. I also find it surprising if they kill off a girl, because fiction usually bends over backwards to see them ultimately saved or having escaped if they're in crisis.

So with me, I tended to wipe out Kaidan most of the time. Not only did Ashley being a woman and thus higher on the priority list effect that, I never really cared much for Kaidan's character and found him rather milquetoast and uninteresting. The Virmire decision thus never had much emotional impact for me since there was always an obvious choice.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 20 septembre 2011 - 12:06 .