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[Marionetten]

Mr.House wrote...

Also Legacy, LOTSB and Kasumi where better then any of the dlc CDP has brought out. Free does not mean good, you should learn that.

That's because The Witcher 2 was released a finished game. I wouldn't expect any major additions until The Witcher 3.

But I suppose releasing finished games is a bad thing on BSN? Bad CD Projekt for taking your time to actually finish your game and then releasing free content on top of it. We should also start bashing From Software for not wanting to include DLC in Dark Souls. What are they thinking? State of the industry indeed.

[FaeQueenCory]

I will.... but will I play it immediately like I did with Legacy? Probably not... I still have to go back and redo my master import from Origins.... (How "horrible" that I have to "suffer" through Origins and Awakening again..... XD *has lotsa fun*)
Though I seriously doubt my import affects this DLC in the SLIGHTEST... Cause Legacy sure didn't... I *might* burn through act1, play legacy, burn through up until that whole mommy incident and do MotA BEFORE said incident.
I think that's the best place for it, new nobility, mommy's... y'know.. Life's going on the rise and happy, so a big swanky party for the new Champion is the right place for this chronologically... Act3 is just too chaotic for parties in my opinion... Orlesian parties anyway...

[Atakuma]

Marionetten wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Also Legacy, LOTSB and Kasumi where better then any of the dlc CDP has brought out. Free does not mean good, you should learn that.

That's because The Witcher 2 was released a finished game. I wouldn't expect any major additions until The Witcher 3.

What? DA2 was released a finished game and that has nothing to do with releasing DLC.

But I suppose releasing finished games is a bad thing on BSN? Bad CD Projekt for taking your time to actually finish your game and then releasing free content on top of it. We should also start bashing From Software for not wanting to include DLC in Dark Souls. What are they thinking? State of the industry indeed.

All dlc for TW2 was cut content, there was hardly any effort on their part and that's why it was free. You seem to think that any game with paid dlc is somehow incomplete.

Modifié par Atakuma, 30 septembre 2011 - 06:34 .

[gingerbill]

i will because it introduces a new character to play with.

[Vilegrim]

Atakuma wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Also Legacy, LOTSB and Kasumi where better then any of the dlc CDP has brought out. Free does not mean good, you should learn that.

That's because The Witcher 2 was released a finished game. I wouldn't expect any major additions until The Witcher 3.

What? DA2 was released a finished game and that has nothing to do with releasing DLC.

But I suppose releasing finished games is a bad thing on BSN? Bad CD Projekt for taking your time to actually finish your game and then releasing free content on top of it. We should also start bashing From Software for not wanting to include DLC in Dark Souls. What are they thinking? State of the industry indeed.

All dlc for TW2 was cut content, there was hardly any effort on their part and that's why it was free. You seem to think that any game with paid dlc is somehow incomplete.

when it is integral to the plot..yea that is incomplete.

[Ariella]

Vilegrim wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Also Legacy, LOTSB and Kasumi where better then any of the dlc CDP has brought out. Free does not mean good, you should learn that.

That's because The Witcher 2 was released a finished game. I wouldn't expect any major additions until The Witcher 3.

What? DA2 was released a finished game and that has nothing to do with releasing DLC.

But I suppose releasing finished games is a bad thing on BSN? Bad CD Projekt for taking your time to actually finish your game and then releasing free content on top of it. We should also start bashing From Software for not wanting to include DLC in Dark Souls. What are they thinking? State of the industry indeed.

All dlc for TW2 was cut content, there was hardly any effort on their part and that's why it was free. You seem to think that any game with paid dlc is somehow incomplete.

when it is integral to the plot..yea that is incomplete.

What DA2 DLC was integral to the plot? I haven't found one yet that couldn't be played without and the main story would be lessened.

[Mr.House]

Marionetten wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Also Legacy, LOTSB and Kasumi where better then any of the dlc CDP has brought out. Free does not mean good, you should learn that.

That's because The Witcher 2 was released a finished game. I wouldn't expect any major additions until The Witcher 3.

But I suppose releasing finished games is a bad thing on BSN? Bad CD Projekt for taking your time to actually finish your game and then releasing free content on top of it. We should also start bashing From Software for not wanting to include DLC in Dark Souls. What are they thinking? State of the industry indeed.

Wow, what the hell does this rant have to do with anything. TW2 dlc is very weak, I don't give a dam if TW2 was a finished game or not, the point is there is a reason why TW2 dlc is free and DA2 story dlc is not. It has nothing to do with a game being finished.

Modifié par Mr.House, 30 septembre 2011 - 09:53 .

[Carmen_Willow]

I won't buy it until I hear from others that the Fenris dialogue works properly. It was disappointing to learn that they weren't going to fix Fenris' romance dialgue in Legacy.

[Marionetten]

The point is that while BioWare is milking you all dry with middling DLC offerings these guys are working on their next game while continuously offering free updates supplementing the core experience. Paying sixty dollars for a middling core experience followed by countless of ten dollar modules or paying sixty dollars for a strong core experience followed by free content updates aimed at strengthening it further. You tell me which transaction is more sensible from a consumer perspective.

If you guys want BioWare to ever go back to making truly epic RPGs based around choice and consequence the first step is realizing just how bad of a fit this business model is. They're not going to take their time designing a complete experience when they can just push out something like Dragon Age II for the same price tag and then charge even more for modular content. Having you all defend it like rabid dogs is just icing on the capitalistic cake.

Ariella wrote...

What DA2 DLC was integral to the plot? I haven't found one yet that couldn't be played without and the main story would be lessened.

That's because there isn't much to the main story beyond "... AND EVERYBODY GOES BANANAS!"

Modifié par Marionetten, 01 octobre 2011 - 12:11 .

[Foolsfolly]

The point is that while BioWare is milking you all dry with middling DLC offerings these guys are working on their next game while continuously offering free updates supplementing the core experience. Paying sixty dollars for a middling core experience followed by countless of ten dollar modules or paying sixty dollars for a strong core experience followed by free content updates aimed at strengthening it further. You tell me which transaction is more sensible from a consumer perspective.

I remembered hearing roughly the same about expansion sets once upon a time.

I think it all comes down to what you're willing to pay for. I bought all the ME2 stuff because that game owned my soul. I loved the hell out of it. I didn't buy Legacy for a long while and only got it last week. I picked up all the New Vegas stuff but didn't touch any of the Borderlands or Assassin's Creed DLC.

It all comes down to "Do I want to spend more time with this game and these characters" or not. And sometimes I do and 5-10 dollars isn't bad for that.

So that's where it's at. I think DLC is better when it's priced in the 5-7 dollar range. Then it's like buying a paperback or going to the theater. 10 dollars is a bit much but it's still cheaper than a DVD and if it's really good I'll spend more time with it than I would with a DVD.

[Atakuma]

Marionetten wrote...

The point is that while BioWare is milking you all dry with middling DLC offerings these guys are working on their next game while continuously offering free updates supplementing the core experience.

They're just reinserting cut content and improving the controls. Bioware are actually creating substantial new content.

Paying sixty dollars for a middling core experience followed by countless of ten dollar modules or paying sixty dollars for a strong core experience followed by free content updates aimed at strengthening it further. You tell me which transaction is more sensible from a consumer perspective.

If you found a game to be middling then why would you be buying the "countless" ten dollar DLC? You sound like you think you deserve the dlc for free just because you didn't like the main game.

Modifié par Atakuma, 01 octobre 2011 - 02:39 .

[Chun Hei]

I enjoyed DA2 despite its many flaws and I really enjoyed Legacy so I will definitely buy it. I will however stop buying the item packs since they unbalance the game too much and for every cool looking item you get at least two hideous ones.

[Hastur77]

Hahah. No.

[Spooky81]

The complaints and viewpoints about how BioWare is exploiting customers by making them pay for content such as Legacy and Assassin are quite wrong. It's actually beneficial to be releasing DLC at prices of $5-$10. Looking at how long it takes to develop and release RPG titles, the profit margin off sales are narrow and buying the DLC thats released gives them a chance to make back some of that money. Especially considering they still have to support the game after release with patches and customer service. If they really didnt care about us, they could have done what the Fable developers use to do by ignoring customers and just moving on to the next project.

[Morroian]

Marionetten wrote...

The point is that while BioWare is milking you all dry with middling DLC offerings 

Legacy isn't a middling DLC offering and MOTA promiss to be the same.

[The_11thDoctor]

No sure. Prob not. I dont know or care about f.d. and I didnt think her voice acting was all that good in the trailer. Unless I see something grand in a new trailer Im not sold. I wish they'd give us something free story wise... There was a lot missing out of the DA2 game and it feels like we got half of what should've been there and now we're getting charged to get the rest of the game.

I got legacy and it felt like what DA2 should have been, but Im not sure if I should keep supporting their dlc. Still pissed about no choices being in DA2, party armor and no "rise to power" which was the focus of the game... I kind of feel like "I enjoyed having sex, but not the doctor visit afterwards" sort of feel when I think about DA2. I loved it and hated it. I want DA3 to basically be Legacy's take on DA2, but with choices, party armor and tons of environments, so Im not saying I like DAO over DA2. At least I think so? Not to sound like I grew a pair of ******, but "it's complicated..." I just feel like Im going to the doctor for a $10 band-aid to slowly erase my one night stand(aka DA2). Do I keep buying DLC or not for this game? *shrugs*

Im sure if I see some new vid combined with it being out, I might stumble as I'm walking and drop money in front of Bioware's building...

[The_11thDoctor]

FedericoV wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Even I bought all ME2 story based DLC's and almost al DA:O DLC I can't stop thinking about this DLCs are TOO EXPENSIVE for the gaming experience they offer....

I'm really amazed how people are so willing to contunue spending their money with practice that I'm more convinced that's just a "money-sucker"

That's an interesting and controversial point. A story DLC costs 7 euros more or less and you can play it in 2-4 hours. A ticket to the cinema or a beer at the pub costs the same price more or less. I could continue with examples. But the general perception is that DLC are too expensive and I cannot understand the difference in giving value to activities or things. I'm not saying that's it's wrong, I'm just saying that I would like to understand why people give different value to DLCs and other activities that costs more or less the same.

Personally, I think that a 7 euros story based DLC is overpriced when it's bad like most DA:O's ones. But when it's at the same level of ME2 dlcs or Legacy,  I think that the price is fair. There are games that are 15 hrs long that costs 50 euros.

Thats a interesting way to look at it. Though I rarely go to movies, but when I do it is too expesive to me. I remember movies costing less than $6... BUt that was a while ago, so... But yes, I think the "too expensive" part also comes from not feeling you got your full game that you paid for out of the box. Then to pay $10 dollars each time after that to feel like you almost got a full game gives you that "Im getting suckered" feeling. The list of content missing ffrom DA2 was huge starting from QA testing, Party armor, a real world and not just a city with nothing going on, choices, story/plot that makes sense, no pop up enemies, no "rise to power", spells missing, race's females missing, sense of time lost in translation, etc. It just feels like you continue to keep paying to finally get the full version of what you thought you should have out of the box and that is why the $10 price hurts you more that the actual value you're paying.

[suprhomre]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

I won't buy it until I hear from others that the Fenris dialogue works properly. It was disappointing to learn that they weren't going to fix Fenris' romance dialgue in Legacy.

It's broken? Never heard of it before. 

[FieryDove]

suprhomre wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

I won't buy it until I hear from others that the Fenris dialogue works properly. It was disappointing to learn that they weren't going to fix Fenris' romance dialgue in Legacy.

It's broken? Never heard of it before. 

http://social.biowar...65002/9#8021131

There are like 5 or 6 you tube video's of all the dialogues/banters and quite a bit isn't firing for whatever reason. Luke's silence on the matter for 2 months probably means no patch ever.

No patch, no buy.

[The_11thDoctor]

Spooky81 wrote...

I'll probably purchase it, though my only gripe is the ingame model for Tallis. Felicia Day looks great in Dragon Age redemption and outside of acting. The Dragon Age 2 model for Tallis doesnt do any justice and it looks like she was designed with only 60% to 70% effort. It doesn't have that "Wow" to it like Hawke, Varric, Fenris, Arishok and even Corypheus(even tho he looks like he was hit by a train). Looking at the models for those characters, i know BioWare could have come up with something better for Tallis.

Funny, I thought it looked exactly like her... Minus the super long neck they stuck on her, it 's an 100% match. She's not much to look at. I'm not knocking her. Im not exactly John Stamos myself, but dont say they didnt put effort into modeling her when they made her look like the source. I knew it was her and I have know clue about felicia day other than seeing her once in the DA R trailer and a random pick online years ago! I still have no clue what she does or why she's put in DA2 or popular? By the way, you've played DA2 right? Not all of the models look great. Passable, but not great. Lets not get on the model job for the hands. Maker's breath I hope they outsourced on that... That we can agree to no effort being done on!

[0oSPIRITo0]

Definitely gonna buy it.

[SilentK]

I'm still hoping for a patch for Legacy.... I really want the banter to work before I'll put my Fenris-Hawke through it. Pretty please, it would make me so so happy bioware.

[Vlad_Dracul]

Definitely yes. I was suprised, how much good Legacy was, so I am sure, it will be excellent piece of game too, despite a little smell of Kasumi mission in ME2

Oh, and price:

I bought DA2 by (conversion) 60 dollars in pocket
It was almost 2 days in game.

So, If i will buy 6x DLC like Legacy (price, as much as quality), 5-6 hours each, its just practically like new game/datadisc, so around 10 bucks it is a fair price.

[Heimdall]

aang001 wrote...

Spooky81 wrote...

I'll probably purchase it, though my only gripe is the ingame model for Tallis. Felicia Day looks great in Dragon Age redemption and outside of acting. The Dragon Age 2 model for Tallis doesnt do any justice and it looks like she was designed with only 60% to 70% effort. It doesn't have that "Wow" to it like Hawke, Varric, Fenris, Arishok and even Corypheus(even tho he looks like he was hit by a train). Looking at the models for those characters, i know BioWare could have come up with something better for Tallis.

Funny, I thought it looked exactly like her... Minus the super long neck they stuck on her, it 's an 100% match. She's not much to look at. I'm not knocking her. Im not exactly John Stamos myself, but dont say they didnt put effort into modeling her when they made her look like the source. I knew it was her and I have know clue about felicia day other than seeing her once in the DA R trailer and a random pick online years ago! I still have no clue what she does or why she's put in DA2 or popular? By the way, you've played DA2 right? Not all of the models look great. Passable, but not great. Lets not get on the model job for the hands. Maker's breath I hope they outsourced on that... That we can agree to no effort being done on!

  Actually, they had quite a few designs worked out and were choosing between them.  All were based on Felicia, but some looked more like her, appearing more human, and others that looked more like the new elf design.  Felicia herself told them they should go with the most elven one, wanting to stay as true to lore as possible, so they did.  That's the reason for the discrepencies.

[DriftSpace]

Not me.