176 réponses à ce sujet

[Twilight_Princess]

It's been stated already that every Li won't be bi in ME3 and that only "some" characters will be s/s . I think it was an official tweet.

[ladyvader]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's not really an argument over 'straight' as I have yet to see anyone say a male Shepard shouldn't be able to romance all of the female LIs and vice versa for a straight FemShep with the male LIs.

Erhm, there's no one so far who has a problem with an LI being just gay or just lesbian.

Of course not.  Two women together is every straight man's fantasy. 

I'm hoping you're joking here...

I live in a very bigoted area.  And I've had many people tell me two women together they have no problem with.  They have issues with two men.  To me there is no difference.

ETA
Kaiser Shepard  Actually I misread it. 

Modifié par ladyvader, 20 septembre 2011 - 04:05 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

ToastPants wrote...

It would also (to me anyhow) be a nice throwback to the fact that several of them (Ashley, Kaiden, Tali, etc...) WERE originally intended to be available for both genders.

Untrue statement.

[Anwarddyn]

I have no problem with the ethics of it, just uncertainty that it can be properly done in game.

There is always a moment with any LI where you either pursue or reject a relationship. I do not want to have to deal with that for every crew member that is the same gender as my Shepard. If they can write it in such a way that you can pursue a relationship with anyone, but not be aware of it with the ones that do not interest you, then I am all for it. For me personally it is a question of believability and immersion alone.

[addiction21]

Fun. THe same people that act so offended at these threads and/or the post in them are the same people that keep them alive and running... every time.

[Sepewrath]

Better question is, why would you start ANOTHER topic on this?

[ObserverStatus]

Sepewrath wrote...

Better question is, why would you start ANOTHER topic on this?

^^^

[Comsky159]

Though the romance subplots are great I also adore the platonic relationship WITHOUT the potential for romantic complication. Wrex and Garrus have always been my favourites because of the absence of romantic insinuation (thank god), and the alpha-male, "bro" vibe they propagate.

By making characters bisexual, this type of dynamic and indeed much versatility in interaction will be butchered for the gratification of a few. Not every conversation has to be afflicted by sexual tension, and relationships don't have to be homogenized to keep everyone happy.

Character consistency is another ball game altogether, and basically your opinion here depends on whether you think such a transition  is reasonable in a sci-fi epic. I'll just say that although I acknowedge there's more room for progression and twisting player creation of belief through immersion, I still think that authorial and hence character integrity must still exist in some form.

This idea that video games exist simply to gratify everyoneand not to simply stand as a great work of art/literature with enrapturing characters, is going to stagnate the industry from being compared to more traditional forms of storytelling.

Modifié par Comsky159, 20 septembre 2011 - 04:22 .

[Darth Krytie]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Anwarddyn wrote...

I have no problem with the ethics of it, just uncertainty that it can be properly done in game.

There is always a moment with any LI where you either pursue or reject a relationship. I do not want to have to deal with that for every crew member that is the same gender as my Shepard. If they can write it in such a way that you can pursue a relationship with anyone, but not be aware of it with the ones that do not interest you, then I am all for it. For me personally it is a question of believability and immersion alone.

Kaiser's idea for a Settings option to turn it on/off, which would still allow it, was rejected for being "homophobic." It seems no one can be pleased.

I think the toggle option would only work and not be offensive is if you could toggle off straight stuff, too. I personally didn't like the way fem!Shep flirts with Jacob when you just want to kill his daddy.

[Espurr]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

It would also (to me anyhow) be a nice throwback to the fact that several of them (Ashley, Kaiden, Tali, etc...) WERE originally intended to be available for both genders.

Untrue statement.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that they were? There was dialogue recorded at any rate.

[Darth Krytie]

addiction21 wrote...

Fun. THe same people that act so offended at these threads and/or the post in them are the same people that keep them alive and running... every time.

It's ridiculously hard to keep my feminist, gay pride rage all to myself. It's a weakness.

[ladyvader]

Darth Krytie wrote...


I think the toggle option would only work and not be offensive is if you could toggle off straight stuff, too. I personally didn't like the way fem!Shep flirts with Jacob when you just want to kill his daddy.

This was my reaction to femShep talking to Jacob.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I'm too good to raise a civil war, though I'm outside USA!
Remember, the most important battle occurs in your mind.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

Kathleen321 wrote...

I'm excited about s/s romance. I won't even be using it. Just glad its an option for my gays!!! I think people be trollin with the threads. No point in getting so upset about gay lovin that you don't wanna play the game.

I think its only a minority of ME fans who would stop playing the game because of that.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Darth Krytie wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Anwarddyn wrote...

I have no problem with the ethics of it, just uncertainty that it can be properly done in game.

There is always a moment with any LI where you either pursue or reject a relationship. I do not want to have to deal with that for every crew member that is the same gender as my Shepard. If they can write it in such a way that you can pursue a relationship with anyone, but not be aware of it with the ones that do not interest you, then I am all for it. For me personally it is a question of believability and immersion alone.

Kaiser's idea for a Settings option to turn it on/off, which would still allow it, was rejected for being "homophobic." It seems no one can be pleased.

I think the toggle option would only work and not be offensive is if you could toggle off straight stuff, too. I personally didn't like the way fem!Shep flirts with Jacob when you just want to kill his daddy.

Well, that might be a bit extensive as it would need multiple sets of dialogue for FemShep there, but I have always argued for an option to turn each category of romances on or off.

ToastPants wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

It would also (to me anyhow) be a nice throwback to the fact that several of them (Ashley, Kaiden, Tali, etc...) WERE originally intended to be available for both genders.

Untrue statement.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that they were? There was dialogue recorded at any rate.

Those were recorded because the team didn't bother to check the "Meer/Hale only" boxes. They considered it just including then because they were already there, but felt that the quality of these lines was lacking or something like that.

Edit: Wow, this post is riddled with typos, time to go to bed.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 20 septembre 2011 - 04:58 .

[1136342t54_]

ladyvader wrote...
I live in a very bigoted area.  And I've had many people tell me two women together they have no problem with.  They have issues with two men.  To me there is no difference.

ETA
Kaiser Shepard  Actually I misread it. 

Its more of a difference of. "Oh yeah two girls gettin it on I want to see that." "Two guys? Gross dude I don't want to see that."

That isn't really bigotry. I mean I think 2 males having sex is pretty gross since I am in no way attracted to the same sex but I don't think they should be forbidden to do it. Its not my problem.

[Comsky159]

addiction21 wrote...

Fun. THe same people that act so offended at these threads and/or the post in them are the same people that keep them alive and running... every time.

It creates a vicious circle whereby those who oppose the contents of a thread end up it's source of power and growth.

It's why internet trolls are so incredibly successful.

[FoxHound109]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Kathleen321 wrote...

I'm excited about s/s romance. I won't even be using it. Just glad its an option for my gays!!! I think people be trollin with the threads. No point in getting so upset about gay lovin that you don't wanna play the game.

I think its only a minority of ME fans who would stop playing the game because of that.

They're not REALLY ME fans to be honest. If something like the inclusion of a gay character is enough to detract you from the Mass Effect experience, then you're probably not a big fan to begin with. 

[AnAccountWithNoName]

Comsky159 wrote...

Though the romance subplots are great I also adore the platonic relationship WITHOUT the potential for romantic complication. Wrex and Garrus have always been my favourites because of the absence of romantic insinuation (thank god), and the alpha-male, "bro" vibe they propagate.

By making characters bisexual, this type of dynamic and indeed much versatility in interaction will be butchered for the gratification of a few. Not every conversation has to be afflicted by sexual tension, and relationships don't have to be homogenized to keep everyone happy.

Character consistency is another ball game altogether, and basically your opinion here depends on whether you think such a transition  is reasonable in a sci-fi epic. I'll just say that although I acknowedge there's more room for progression and twisting player creation of belief through immersion, I still think that authorial and hence character integrity must still exist in some form.

This idea that video games exist simply to gratify everyoneand not to simply stand as a great work of art/literature with enrapturing characters, is going to stagnate the industry from being compared to more traditional forms of storytelling.

I agree.  I also don't want to get ninjamainced by Garrus just because i want to get to know him.....but not in the "romantic" type of way.

[Espurr]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

It
would also (to me anyhow) be a nice throwback to the fact that several
of them (Ashley, Kaiden, Tali, etc...) WERE originally intended to be
available for both genders.

Untrue statement.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that they were? There was dialogue recorded at any rate.

Those
were recorded because the team didn't bother to check the "Meer/Hale
only" boxes. They considered it just including then because they were
already there, but felt that the quality of these lines was lacking or
something like that.

Interesting! I did not know that.

Still want to romance Ashley. In my head-canon one of my femsheps has been pining after her since ME1.

Modifié par ToastPants, 20 septembre 2011 - 04:29 .

[TheBlackBaron]

I like to envision both sides as Adeptus Astartes chapters, fully entrenched in a "no retreat, no surrender" mentality, fanatically devoted to their cause, and chomping at the bit to start the fight and fire up the flamethrowers.

In short: it's because everybody is too goddamn invested in something as peripheral to the gameplay and story as the frigging romances are. Look, I play them, I enjoy them, and hell, Morrigan from DA:O is one of my favorite video game characters ever partly because of the insight gained into her from the romance, but people really need to repeat the MST3K mantra to themselves. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 20 septembre 2011 - 04:37 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

+1 for not want to be ninja'd s/s romance for just knowing my companions. I really don't like to see these stuffs so I don't like to be forced to use Alt + F4.

Modifié par Jedi Sentinel Arian, 20 septembre 2011 - 04:38 .