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[D.Kain]

Volus Warlord wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

No just no.

That is wrong, I hate hate hate hate people like that. It too will hurt one or the other. People that do it in RL what in hell is wrong with you?

You need help, period.

There is nothing wrong with people doing this in real life, it is a part of nature that drives people to breed more. Though I like you have come far away from nature, and would never have such things in my own life, it is still natural. 

In some situations it's more "cultural.."

Some societies in the past have had a rather lopsided male:female population..

Some societies are closer to nature yes, I went to the roots. 

[android654]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

No just no.

That is wrong, I hate hate hate hate people like that. It too will hurt one or the other. People that do it in RL what in hell is wrong with you?

You need help, period.

Er, isn't it their own choice, given that everyone is consenting?

No.

Are you unaware of the definition of consent?

[Volus Warlord]

android654 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

No just no.

That is wrong, I hate hate hate hate people like that. It too will hurt one or the other. People that do it in RL what in hell is wrong with you?

You need help, period.

Er, isn't it their own choice, given that everyone is consenting?

No.

Are you unaware of the definition of consent?

Yes. 

[jeweledleah]

actually - its more natural for most larger primates to pair up to raise the offspring, partly becasue stepfathers tend to kill the young from a previous relationship. Monogamy is just as natural as polyamory, you know and while I support people making their own choices in their relationships, I'm getting sick of people claiming that monogamy is not natural. becasue there are just as many if not more examples of couples in nature that mate for life.

@ SkyHawk89 - I think you are confusing polyamory with cheating. as long as everyone involved in a relationship is honest and gives full consent - there's pretty much no wrong way to have a relationship. its only wrong when its non-consensual (including pushing the other person into something they are not comfortable with or something that doesn't suit them /glare at some of the "you are that sort of person NOW, whether you like it or not" people in this thread), or when your are trying to have a relationship you are not suited for.

[Random citizen]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

In a perfect world with a perfect game, yes, I would support such an option. That said, I have such severe doubts about the quality of a poly-romance that I'd really be wary about giving it the go-ahead. The amount of time and resources that would have to go into it, to make sure that it make sense, and is emotionally fulfilling to the player (and not just a threesome disguised as a poly-relationship), makes it almost infeasable at this time and for this game. You'd have to script, voice, and animate each LI for a friendship, a mono-relationship, and then for a poly-relationship, and, within the poly-relationship, how the LI's involved react to one another. If Mass Effect were less about the space war and more about the inner lives of the people Shepard works with (becoming an actual dating simulation, or closer to it) then I would have more faith.

It's the same reason why I'll never hold my breath to see an actual asexual romance in a video game. Asexuality and Polyamory are so very different from Monoamory that they require different build-ups, different conversations, and different reactions. Adding same-sex relationships to the game was easy in comparison. XD I just don't think either could be done well in ME3. Not to say they can never be done well in a game, but just not in this one.

Lets not exaggerate how exotic and hard it is to portray. If it is restricted to Shep having two LI (and that such a scenario also triggers some LIs to "branch out" themselves, for example Feron and kal´reegar as I mentioned before), which is very possibly since your LIs of ME1 was not available in ME2, then you "only" need to add some unique dialogue and some minor animation in the relationship progression(which of course would be more complex than a single LI story).

I think it could be valuable if handled correctly as it forces a player to roleplay and experience something that requires trying to act mature and handle not being the centre of the universe all the time.

One of the problems with ME2 romantic relationships was that many of the LIs were messed up and needed Shepard to "fix them" with romantic attention, like it all too often is in clingy relationships. A little more independence is often a good thing. Its not a good idea to restrict yourself to having only one friend or only eating one type of food. This logic seems partly applicable on romantic relationships too, as those of my friends who are poly-oriented seems to have a lot more stable relationships (longer with better sex, less repetitive routines and a more vital romatic interest in each others) then those who are monogamous.

Modifié par Random citizen, 28 janvier 2012 - 05:55 .

[kromify]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

It's the same reason why I'll never hold my breath to see an actual asexual romance in a video game. Asexuality and Polyamory are so very different from Monoamory that they require different build-ups, different conversations, and different reactions. Adding same-sex relationships to the game was easy in comparison. XD I just don't think either could be done well in ME3. Not to say they can never be done well in a game, but just not in this one.

uh... shep breeds with himself by dividing into 2? at least if he dies we get to use a clone.  take that lazarus project!

Random citizen wrote...


One of the problems with ME2 romantic relationships was that many of the LIs were messed up and needed Shepard to "fix them" with romantic attention, like it all too often is in clingy relationships. A little more independence is often a good thing. Its not a good idea to restrict yourself to having only one friend or only eating one type of food. This logic seems partly applicable on romantic relationships too, as those of my friends who are poly-oriented seems to have a lot more stable relationships (longer with better sex, less repetitive routines and a more vital romatic interest in each others) then those who are monogamous.

try playing femshep. thane needs the most comfort, and he isn't clingy at all.

[Phate Phoenix]

Random citizen wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

In a perfect world with a perfect game, yes, I would support such an option. That said, I have such severe doubts about the quality of a poly-romance that I'd really be wary about giving it the go-ahead. The amount of time and resources that would have to go into it, to make sure that it make sense, and is emotionally fulfilling to the player (and not just a threesome disguised as a poly-relationship), makes it almost infeasable at this time and for this game. You'd have to script, voice, and animate each LI for a friendship, a mono-relationship, and then for a poly-relationship, and, within the poly-relationship, how the LI's involved react to one another. If Mass Effect were less about the space war and more about the inner lives of the people Shepard works with (becoming an actual dating simulation, or closer to it) then I would have more faith.

It's the same reason why I'll never hold my breath to see an actual asexual romance in a video game. Asexuality and Polyamory are so very different from Monoamory that they require different build-ups, different conversations, and different reactions. Adding same-sex relationships to the game was easy in comparison. XD I just don't think either could be done well in ME3. Not to say they can never be done well in a game, but just not in this one.

Lets not exaggerate how exotic and hard it is to portray. If it is restricted to Shep having two LI (and that such a scenario also triggers some LIs to "branch out" themselves, for example Feron and kal´reegar as I mentioned before), which is very possibly since your LIs of ME1 was not available in ME2, then you "only" need to add some unique dialogue and some minor animation in the relationship progression(which of course would be more complex than a single LI story).

I think it could be valuable if handled correctly as it forces a player to roleplay and experience something that requires trying to act mature and handle not being the centre of the universe all the time.

One of the problems with ME2 romantic relationships was that many of the LIs were messed up and needed Shepard to "fix them" with romantic attention, like it all too often is in clingy relationships. A little more independence is often a good thing. Its not a good idea to restrict yourself to having only one friend or only eating one type of food. This logic seems partly applicable on romantic relationships too, as those of my friends who are poly-oriented seems to have a lot more stable relationships (longer with better sex, less repetitive routines and a more vital romatic interest in each others) then those who are monogamous.

The scenario you suggest is already far different than any monoamory relationship already in the game. The only way I could see it being implement in ME3 is two have two LI's designated as poly, and, if certain conditions are met, then Shepard and this LI (already in a relationship) can bring the third person into their relationship. Perhaps Liara and a male character (two females would be fan-servicey).
I'd have issues if a polyamory relationship was more detailed and complex than a monoarmory one. Then it's unfair to those of us who do not choose that option. Also, what do you mean by "forces a player to roleplay"? I'm not keen on anything that forces the player to do something in regards to romance. <_<
I agree that ME2's romances were off because of how much the relationship seemed to be Shepard fixing whatever issues the LI had, and then they have awesome healing-sex. That said, that's not because they were monoamory relationships, that was a choice made by Bioware's writing team. Let's not get into which is better emotionally, polyamory or monoamory. They work well for certain people, some people prefer one over the other, neither is better or worse, etc. It can all be fixed by simply making the hurdle the relationship has to have (it's fiction, nothing is ever easy in fiction) be about the war, their choices, being torn apart over missions.

EDIT:

kromify wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...
It's the same reason why I'll never hold my breath to see an actual asexual romance in a video game. Asexuality and Polyamory are so very different from Monoamory that they require different build-ups, different conversations, and different reactions. Adding same-sex relationships to the game was easy in comparison. XD I just don't think either could be done well in ME3. Not to say they can never be done well in a game, but just not in this one.

uh... shep breeds with himself by dividing into 2? at least if he dies we get to use a clone.  take that lazarus

Oh, uh, no. XD Asexuality is an orientation (mine, in fact). It's where a person experience no sexual attraction to other people. It's different from being aromantic (which I also am), which is where a person doesn't experience romantic attraction to people. But that's off-topic. If you're interested, you should check out the AVEN website.

Modifié par Phate Phoenix, 28 janvier 2012 - 06:38 .

[jeweledleah]

Random citizen wrote...
Lets not exaggerate how exotic and hard it is to portray. If it is restricted to Shep having two LI (and that such a scenario also triggers some LIs to "branch out" themselves, for example Feron and kal´reegar as I mentioned before), which is very possibly since your LIs of ME1 was not available in ME2, then you "only" need to add some unique dialogue and some minor animation in the relationship progression(which of course would be more complex than a single LI story).

I think it could be valuable if handled correctly as it forces a player to roleplay and experience something that requires trying to act mature and handle not being the centre of the universe all the time.

One of the problems with ME2 romantic relationships was that many of the LIs were messed up and needed Shepard to "fix them" with romantic attention, like it all too often is in clingy relationships. A little more independence is often a good thing. Its not a good idea to restrict yourself to having only one friend or only eating one type of food. This logic seems partly applicable on romantic relationships too, as those of my friends who are poly-oriented seems to have a lot more stable relationships (longer with better sex, less repetitive routines and a more vital romatic interest in each others) then those who are monogamous.

now you are pissing me off. 

monogamous relationship doesn't mean you suddenly have no friends, no many and varied interests, it doesn't mean you suddenly need each other the exclusion of all else, or that somehow you lose any and all independance, and see yourself as a center of the univerce.  THE ONLY difference in that regard between poly and mono relationships?  is the number of partners.  except in my personal experience, I saw more poly relationships end up in break ups/ divorce then monogamous ones, becasue they would let their personal needs get to much in a way of their relationship needs and juggling of the multiple relationships became too much.

neither model is somehow better then the other, and please get the hell off your high horse, claiming that poly relationships are healthier and more fulfilling as a rule

and yes they are more difficult to write, because you have intimate and romantic interaction between more people.  its simple math.  2 people? 1 dynamic.  3 people - 3 different dynamics to write, one per couple of people - and that's not concidering dynamic between the trio as a whole.  add more people?  create more complications. 

friends are different becasue there's no romance, sexual intimacy etc involved.

[Eclipse_9990]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

No just no.

That is wrong, I hate hate hate hate people like that. It too will hurt one or the other. People that do it in RL what in hell is wrong with you?

You need help, period.

Er, isn't it their own choice, given that everyone is consenting?

No.

Lol what? I dislike polygamy too, but seriously? Its their choice, and their business. If it works out for them fine, and if it ends up hurting them thats fine too. People are allowed to make there own decisions, even they seem like stupid ones from our point of view.

Random citizen wrote...

Lets
not exaggerate how exotic and hard it is to portray. If it is
restricted to Shep having two LI (and that such a scenario also triggers
some LIs to "branch out" themselves, for example Feron and kal´reegar
as I mentioned before), which is very possibly since your LIs of ME1 was
not available in ME2, then you "only" need to add some unique dialogue
and some minor animation in the relationship progression(which of course
would be more complex than a single LI story).

I think it could
be valuable if handled correctly as it forces a player to roleplay and
experience something that requires trying to act mature and handle not
being the centre of the universe all the time.

One of the
problems with ME2 romantic relationships was that many of the LIs were
messed up and needed Shepard to "fix them" with romantic attention, like
it all too often is in clingy relationships. A little more independence
is often a good thing. Its not a good idea to restrict yourself to
having only one friend or only eating one type of food. This logic seems
partly applicable on romantic relationships too, as those of my friends
who are poly-oriented seems to have a lot more stable relationships
(longer with better sex, less repetitive routines and a more vital
romatic interest in each others) then those who are monogamous.

OK I have to say something.

Polyships(I'm saying polyships because its a hell of alot faster than typing polymorous relationships over, and over) is not the superior relationship choice. Not by a long shot. You're letting the experiences of your friends which I doubt you know in full detail give you the idea that its somehow superior to monogamous relationships. Which its not. People in monogamous relationships can still have friends outside of their lover, there are exceptions of course, but there are exceptions for a lot of things.

I don't know where you got the idea that polyships are more stable as a rule because that is spewing so much horse **** out at me that I could successfuly fertalize a football field three times over. You wanna smell my freshly grown horse **** petunias? They smell of misinformation, and idealism!

Polyships tend to not work out alot. You know why? Because humans are selfish, and jealous creatures. Not just humans, but quite a number of animals as well. You might hear some dude, or chick brag about dating two dudes/girls at once, but once they find out that they're giving/getting a salty cream injection to/from some other shmuck they will change their tune so fast you won't have time to get the blood out of the carpets. Though there are exceptions to this I admit. Some people can make it work, but thats pretty rare, pretty damn rare. Either your friends are legit in their polyship, or they're saying everything is cool to try, and save face. I don't know, I don't know those dudes. But to state, or insinuate that its outright superior to monogamous relationships, is so much stupid that my brain cannot possibly proce- Duurrrrrrrrr......


*Snaps out of it*

See now you have me writing walls of text, and derping out. I hope you're proud of yourself!

In other news I think this quote sums up the situation pretty well.

"Let's make an example of a polygamy family unit with full equality between the sexes, shall we?



(girls are odd numbers, boys are even.)



1 is married to 2, 4 and 6

2 is married to 1 and 3

3 is married to 2 and 8

4 is married to 1, 5, 7 and 9 (popular guy)

5 is married to 4

6 is married to 1, 7 and 11

7 is married to 6, 4 and 10

8 is married to 3 and, being bi-sexual, also 12 and 14

9 is married to 4 and 10

10 is married to 7, 9 and 11

11 is married to 6 and 10

12 is married to 8 and 14

14 is married to 8 and 12



1 and 2, 4 and 5, 4 and 7, 7 and 6 as well as 10 and 9 has children



As a proper family unit they all live, if not in the same house, then pretty close.



Then, 6 and 7 gets a divorce because 7 feels 6 spends too much time with
1. 7 wants to talk about it with 10, but 10 doesn't want to take sides
because he's married to 11, which is also married to 6 and loves 6
dearly. 7 calls 10 a **** and they get in a minor fight. 11 overhears
the fight and tells 6, which is pissed off that 7 is trying to, as he
sees it, making a feud between him and 11 and tells 1 that 7 is a real
**** and needs to get out of the house. 1 holds a house meeting to
discuss the problems, where 4 goes into a rage about how 6 and 1 just
can't team up to throw out his wife and the mother of his child. 2 tells
4 to calm down and watch what he says about his wife. 'She's my wife
too, you know', 4 reminds him, 'and I'll call whatever the hell I want.
She's trying to throw out my wife!' 1 says she's not throwing out
anyone. 'Oh, so you're on their side now?', 6 wonders. 'I thought you
loved me! You're my wife for god's sake! Can't you see how much trouble
she's causing?' 5 says that maybe throwing 7 out isn't such a bad idea. 4
tells her to shut up. 2 tells 4 that's no way to treat a wife. 4 and 2
get's in a fight. As their shared wife, 1 tries to stop them but gets
blindsided by 3 who screams at her to get the **** off her husband. 8
gets mad at 3 and leaves to hang out with 12 and 14. 3 gets hurt and
calls 8 a ****got. et cetera



And I won't even try to imagine what kind of legislation the above situation would require."

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 28 janvier 2012 - 09:43 .

[Random citizen]

jeweledleah wrote...

Random citizen wrote...
Lets not exaggerate how exotic and hard it is to portray. If it is restricted to Shep having two LI (and that such a scenario also triggers some LIs to "branch out" themselves, for example Feron and kal´reegar as I mentioned before), which is very possibly since your LIs of ME1 was not available in ME2, then you "only" need to add some unique dialogue and some minor animation in the relationship progression(which of course would be more complex than a single LI story).

I think it could be valuable if handled correctly as it forces a player to roleplay and experience something that requires trying to act mature and handle not being the centre of the universe all the time.

One of the problems with ME2 romantic relationships was that many of the LIs were messed up and needed Shepard to "fix them" with romantic attention, like it all too often is in clingy relationships. A little more independence is often a good thing. Its not a good idea to restrict yourself to having only one friend or only eating one type of food. This logic seems partly applicable on romantic relationships too, as those of my friends who are poly-oriented seems to have a lot more stable relationships (longer with better sex, less repetitive routines and a more vital romatic interest in each others) then those who are monogamous.

now you are pissing me off. 

monogamous relationship doesn't mean you suddenly have no friends, no many and varied interests, it doesn't mean you suddenly need each other the exclusion of all else, or that somehow you lose any and all independance, and see yourself as a center of the univerce.  THE ONLY difference in that regard between poly and mono relationships?  is the number of partners.  except in my personal experience, I saw more poly relationships end up in break ups/ divorce then monogamous ones, becasue they would let their personal needs get to much in a way of their relationship needs and juggling of the multiple relationships became too much.

neither model is somehow better then the other, and please get the hell off your high horse, claiming that poly relationships are healthier and more fulfilling as a rule

and yes they are more difficult to write, because you have intimate and romantic interaction between more people.  its simple math.  2 people? 1 dynamic.  3 people - 3 different dynamics to write, one per couple of people - and that's not concidering dynamic between the trio as a whole.  add more people?  create more complications. 

friends are different becasue there's no romance, sexual intimacy etc involved.

Oh you misunderstand. I was merely stating that if you are monogamous, you will only be able to romatically get what the one other person is offering when different people can give you different things and satisfy different aspects and needs. The point was that people become trapped if they love more then one person as it means they must abandon someone they love or repress an interest. I did not mean to imply that poly by default was better then mono-relationships. Its entierly depending on the sistuation and the preferences of those involved.

I am sorry to hear that your friends(?) had troubles in their relationship, I am not saying it is easy. Its very important to respect those you are involved with and be understanding. Everyone has their own unique limits and taste, and its important to stay true to them and not betray them for some short sighted rush or kick.

The more people you add, the more complex the situation becomes. I already said that from a writing and scripting perspective, I think 2 LIs  would be maximum for a serious relationship given the setting and story progression of me-me2->me3. I guess you could always have Kelly as a less  serious "side fling"  on top of that if you flirted with her in ME2.

[Xilizhra]

Well, this is interesting. I've probably mentioned this already, but...

People throw around the term "dating sim" a lot as something that would be necessary for this. I disagree, but... I don't know. It seems like it'd be easier to achieve in a realistic manner with at least a new cast of characters. I know nothing about establishing polyamorous relationships, but it seems as though trying to stick a third person into a preexisting monogamous one wouldn't... work that well? Maybe? I don't know, I've never tried.

[Random citizen]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...


OK I have to say something.

Polyships(I'm saying polyships because its a hell of alot faster than typing polymorous relationships over, and over) is not the superior relationship choice. Not by a long shot. You're letting the experiences of your friends which I doubt you know in full detail give you the idea that its somehow superior to monogamous relationships. Which its not. People in monogamous relationships can still have friends outside of their lover, there are exceptions of course, but there are exceptions for a lot of things.

Slow down. I don’t think I have stated that polyships by default is superior. It depends on the individuals in question. For  people that are easily getting jealous it does not work etc.
I am not solely basing it on the experience of my friends (which I know well) but on my own experiences and feelings. I did not claim that mono people did not have friends besides their lover, I stated that the lover was the only source of sexual and romantic interaction (if they remain faithful).

I don't know where you got the idea that polyships are more stable as a rule because that is spewing so much horse **** out at me that I could successfuly fertalize a football field three times over. You wanna smell my freshly grown horse **** petunias? They smell of misinformation, and idealism!

Try not to become so upset. I am only presenting what is empiric in the case of some people I know. Of course a poly relationship is becomes very unstable and unhappy if the involved are jealous. I have no doubt that the jealousy of some people is so easily awoken that working around it or eroding it takes too much energy. In such cases polyships becomes certainly becomes unstable, and some never flies to begin with. 

Polyships tend to not work out alot. You know why? Because humans are selfish, and jealous creatures. Not just humans, but quite a number of animals as well. You might hear some dude, or chick brag about dating two dudes/girls at once, but once they find out that they're giving/getting a salty cream injection to/from some other shmuck they will change their tune so fast you won't have time to get the blood out of the carpets. Though there are exceptions to this I admit. Some people can make it work, but thats pretty rare, pretty damn rare. Either your friends are legit in their polyship, or they're saying everything is cool to try, and save face. I don't know, I don't know those dudes. But to state, or insinuate that its outright superior to monogamous relationships, is so much stupid that my brain cannot possibly proce- Duurrrrrrrrr......

Exaggerations. Of course we all have some selfish and jealous streaks within ourselves. Some more then others, of course, but as I stated before, some people know how to work with them and largely neutralize such feelings and impulses. If you cant, even if you try, poly stuff is not for you. So again, I am not saying it is superior to all and in all situations. Bragging is often viewed a sign of immaturity or insecurity, at least where I come from, but I would personally have nothing against my partner sleeping with others as long as measures has been taken to avoid unwanted pregnancy or STDs.

See now you have me writing walls of text, and derping out. I hope you're proud of yourself!

In other news I think this quote sums up the situation pretty well.

"Let's make an example of a polygamy family unit with full equality between the sexes, shall we?



(girls are odd numbers, boys are even.)



1 is married to 2, 4 and 6

2 is married to 1 and 3

3 is married to 2 and 8

4 is married to 1, 5, 7 and 9 (popular guy)

5 is married to 4

6 is married to 1, 7 and 11

7 is married to 6, 4 and 10

8 is married to 3 and, being bi-sexual, also 12 and 14

9 is married to 4 and 10

10 is married to 7, 9 and 11

11 is married to 6 and 10

12 is married to 8 and 14

14 is married to 8 and 12



1 and 2, 4 and 5, 4 and 7, 7 and 6 as well as 10 and 9 has children



As a proper family unit they all live, if not in the same house, then pretty close.



Then, 6 and 7 gets a divorce because 7 feels 6 spends too much time with
1. 7 wants to talk about it with 10, but 10 doesn't want to take sides
because he's married to 11, which is also married to 6 and loves 6
dearly. 7 calls 10 a **** and they get in a minor fight. 11 overhears
the fight and tells 6, which is pissed off that 7 is trying to, as he
sees it, making a feud between him and 11 and tells 1 that 7 is a real
**** and needs to get out of the house. 1 holds a house meeting to
discuss the problems, where 4 goes into a rage about how 6 and 1 just
can't team up to throw out his wife and the mother of his child. 2 tells
4 to calm down and watch what he says about his wife. 'She's my wife
too, you know', 4 reminds him, 'and I'll call whatever the hell I want.
She's trying to throw out my wife!' 1 says she's not throwing out
anyone. 'Oh, so you're on their side now?', 6 wonders. 'I thought you
loved me! You're my wife for god's sake! Can't you see how much trouble
she's causing?' 5 says that maybe throwing 7 out isn't such a bad idea. 4
tells her to shut up. 2 tells 4 that's no way to treat a wife. 4 and 2
get's in a fight. As their shared wife, 1 tries to stop them but gets
blindsided by 3 who screams at her to get the **** off her husband. 8
gets mad at 3 and leaves to hang out with 12 and 14. 3 gets hurt and
calls 8 a ****got. et cetera



And I won't even try to imagine what kind of legislation the above situation would require."

Yes, without reading through all that, its clearly a mess.
That is why I personally (and I think this pretty much also goes for the friends I speak of)
1) Do not believe in or practice polygamy (group marriage) At least not in the way youu describe.
2) 2) Not interested in living together in groups (as in your example).

[Random citizen]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, this is interesting. I've probably mentioned this already, but...

People throw around the term "dating sim" a lot as something that would be necessary for this. I disagree, but... I don't know. It seems like it'd be easier to achieve in a realistic manner with at least a new cast of characters. I know nothing about establishing polyamorous relationships, but it seems as though trying to stick a third person into a preexisting monogamous one wouldn't... work that well? Maybe? I don't know, I've never tried.

I also agree it does not require it becomning a dating sim.  Actually almost all who are "poly-oriented" have started out as mono. There are lots of people out there who have added a second love interest in a previously monogamous relationship (you know, a mistress or a male lover - both classical examples).

[Random citizen]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Still a NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

If people do this in RL, your weird and it's wrong. Well to me because if I had someone I don't want them cheating, being with another. I hate those types of people, I don't want a relationship like that. It does hurt one or the other. The one your with should have the right to know because they may feel hurt and dislike it.

If you are in a relationship and the agreement is that you are expected to be suxually and romantically exclusive, then being with someone else, sexually or romantically, is of course cheating, because the agreement and trust was violated. That is what cheating is, doing something that violates the relationship agreement. The important part is that those involved in a relationship defines the agreement so it suits them and makes then as happy as possibly.

[Xilizhra]

Random citizen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, this is interesting. I've probably mentioned this already, but...

People throw around the term "dating sim" a lot as something that would be necessary for this. I disagree, but... I don't know. It seems like it'd be easier to achieve in a realistic manner with at least a new cast of characters. I know nothing about establishing polyamorous relationships, but it seems as though trying to stick a third person into a preexisting monogamous one wouldn't... work that well? Maybe? I don't know, I've never tried.

I also agree it does not require it becomning a dating sim.  Actually almost all who are "poly-oriented" have started out as mono. There are lots of people out there who have added a second love interest in a previously monogamous relationship (you know, a mistress or a male lover - both classical examples).

Is it an orientation, or just a happening when one finds that they just happen to love more than one person? Also, how often does this happen with two people simultaneously?

[Gotholhorakh]

It's not about whether it's right or wrong.

Assuming we're still pretending Mass Effect is of RPG heritage, the option to do the right/wrong/meh thing is a part of the deal.

I'm not a believer in bigamy, infidelity or polygamy as on their respective levels I think they're immoral/unnatural/impractical, and I think the very idea of being "poly-oriented" is laughable bollocks, but WGAF what we think about these things in our personal lives when it's about Role Playing a character in the game verse, and about choice, right?

The only thing I would say about these kind of... corner cases of adult-themed participation in the world is that I hate to see them jump up in your face when they're not a central plot point - that is I'm in favour of a more sophisticated, interesting and choice-filled RP love life for those of us who want it, and also the ability to play without "relationship stuff" cropping up all the time for those of us who don't.

I think both are equally important.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 30 janvier 2012 - 05:20 .

[rudenotginger]

Sounds like a trick question. If we say "No, there's enough romances in ME3", we get asked "but would you support it if it was available?". If we say "No", we get asked "Why?". And if we say that we don't agree with this practice, we are called "repressed".

So, to quote Captain Reynolds: "TRAP!!"

[Random citizen]

Xilizhra wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, this is interesting. I've probably mentioned this already, but...

People throw around the term "dating sim" a lot as something that would be necessary for this. I disagree, but... I don't know. It seems like it'd be easier to achieve in a realistic manner with at least a new cast of characters. I know nothing about establishing polyamorous relationships, but it seems as though trying to stick a third person into a preexisting monogamous one wouldn't... work that well? Maybe? I don't know, I've never tried.

I also agree it does not require it becomning a dating sim.  Actually almost all who are "poly-oriented" have started out as mono. There are lots of people out there who have added a second love interest in a previously monogamous relationship (you know, a mistress or a male lover - both classical examples).

Is it an orientation, or just a happening when one finds that they just happen to love more than one person? Also, how often does this happen with two people simultaneously?

Hard questions. Its proably a collection of factors that might be interacting very individually.
As for it happen simultaneously, few things happen simultaneously. In cases when poly stuff evolves out of monogamous situations its basicaly about one or both parts not simply not being satisfied with only being restricted to one person, but realize that he or she does not want to leave his/her partner as she or he still loves him/her and gets someting important out of their relationship (Partner 1 offers exellent A-type sex, but no or lousy B-type sex, which partner 2 does. partner 1 offers superior feeling of safty and harmony, but not adventure as partner 2 offers etc). Its just that people need to understand what the alternatives are (its not automatically "him or me" that we are indoctrinated) and learn to avoid the most common pitfalls.

[McManus001]

Unless they cloned Tali no.

[Random citizen]

rudenotginger wrote...

Sounds like a trick question. If we say "No, there's enough romances in ME3", we get asked "but would you support it if it was available?". If we say "No", we get asked "Why?". And if we say that we don't agree with this practice, we are called "repressed".

So, to quote Captain Reynolds: "TRAP!!"

Strange reasoning. Apply it to a scenario where conservative heterosexuals are asked about introducing gay or interspecies relationships as options in sci-fi.
"No there are enough human woman to chose from for maler charcters"
"No, I dont agree with the practice of Turian LIs for a human, nor do I approve of homosexual LIs"
etc.

Its not so much "repressed" as a"repressive attitude"

[Random citizen]

kromify wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

It's the same reason why I'll never hold my breath to see an actual asexual romance in a video game. Asexuality and Polyamory are so very different from Monoamory that they require different build-ups, different conversations, and different reactions. Adding same-sex relationships to the game was easy in comparison. XD I just don't think either could be done well in ME3. Not to say they can never be done well in a game, but just not in this one.

uh... shep breeds with himself by dividing into 2? at least if he dies we get to use a clone.  take that lazarus project!

Random citizen wrote...


One of the problems with ME2 romantic relationships was that many of the LIs were messed up and needed Shepard to "fix them" with romantic attention, like it all too often is in clingy relationships. A little more independence is often a good thing. Its not a good idea to restrict yourself to having only one friend or only eating one type of food. This logic seems partly applicable on romantic relationships too, as those of my friends who are poly-oriented seems to have a lot more stable relationships (longer with better sex, less repetitive routines and a more vital romatic interest in each others) then those who are monogamous.

try playing femshep. thane needs the most comfort, and he isn't clingy at all.

I have only romanced Kaiden and Garrus with my femshep.

[Ice Cold J]

Wow... this got WAY too technical for my tastes.

[Random citizen]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Since I consider monogamous relationships to be mostly a fantasy ideal, I think I would prefer that fantasy ideal to stay in the sci fi fictional

game.

I play these games to escape reality. And what better escape than to watch the perfect monogamous relationship unfold with with humans, four aliens, and a crush on mordin

People who have only had one single LI from ME1>ME2 have a real shot to have a pure unspolied mono-fantasy-you are-the-only-one-and-we-are-going-to-be-living-happely-ever-after-when-this-is-over-tale. But having multiple LIs opens up for differnt developments (in theory).

[shepskisaac]

No. It would be A LOT of work (more work than in case of already existing monogamous relationships) to create something that's not a primary, base characteristic like sexual orientation.