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[Satyricon331]

Well, I'd agree with that...

[Urzon]

nightshift002 wrote...

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

I wouldn't underestimate Hawke's strength, in my opinion he is nearly as powerful as the Grey Warden/Hero Of Ferelden.

Possibly stronger - Hawke has no taint in him that ultimately results in a death sentence.

Grey wardens have spidey sense when it comes to darkspawn and dream about them alot - no superhuman powers im aware of unless someone would like to correct me.

Unsure when Grey Wardens go to the deep roads for "their time has come"  but with no taint to kill him Hawke's strength and knowledge would only be honed further yes?

While the side effects of the Taint inculde: increased appetite, nightmares, and ghoul-ishness, the Warden is by far the more powerful hero. He/she was able to go from average joe (or noble) to peak fighting condition to kill the Archdemon and lead the armies of Ferelden within a year. For Hawke, it took about 10 years, and most of that was just him/her laying around in the manor.

Not to mention if the Warden went to Soldier's Peak and drank Avernus' research, they got a big boost of power from the Taint itself.

Woot for clinical blood mages!

[thats1evildude]

In fact, there's an implication that the taint actually makes Grey Wardens stronger, as you get a nominal stat boost after completing the Joining.

It also provides them with extra endurance for, uh, other activities that require a lot of physical exertion.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 21 septembre 2011 - 07:19 .

[Urzon]

thats1evildude wrote...

In fact, there's an implication that the taint actually makes Grey Wardens stronger, as you get a nominal stat boost after completing the Joining.

It also provides them with extra endurance for, uh, other activities that require a lot of physical exertion.

..........square dancing??

j/k

[UltiPup]

Satyricon331 wrote...

Ah, I see. Well, I agree they're not invincible. And perhaps I should have expanded on my original statmeent's qualification that there are things that could give the human victory (the "something" being things like malnutrition in one, or sheer luck, etc.) But there's every reason to think that someone who's been bred for combat and trained from birth (by a society like the Qunari's, no less) will do better than someone who's trained from teenage hood and comes from a shorter, weaker species. There are always possibilities like, the Qunari are slow learners and the Arishok is really young, or whatever, but since there's just as much (or little, as the case may be) reason to beleive their opposite (like, the Qunari are really fast learners and the Arishok's old by human standards), they wash out.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that going into the battle, there's little reason to expect the Arishok was off his game. It's only in light of the information that Hawke defeated him that it becomes more plausible.

(All this is assuming Varric isn't bluffing Cassadnra).

Qunari still bleed. Their throats can be sliced like any other. And again, the Arishok can neatly take away half of your HP with one or two blows. Any of your blows glance off him. The battle itself shows the Arishok is indeed more powerful. Hawke had a reason to fight. Either save Kirkwall or save Isabela. The Arishok? He doesn't have to force a fight but he does anyway. He isn't fighting for anything but either forcing his beliefs or taking Isabela. Hawke has better reasons to not die there.

Fate is a wonderful special weapon in a story. Hawke's most powerful weapon is his/her destiny. He/she isn't just some human. Hawke is special. Meant for great things. The Arishok is only a test compared to what Hawke faces in the end.


Plus....let's face it. The Arishok is powerful but not the best warrior ever. He runs into walls and gets himself stunned. Perfect time for any Hawke to strike.

[Urzon]

You mean Hawke's most powerful weapon was healing potions and/or magic right? He/she would have been dead without them.

Plus, i'm sure they added those self-stuns for the Arishok to make the fight easily. It's annoying enough to fight him as a warrior or a rogue. I don't want to imagine fighting him when all he does is chase you around and trys to back you into a corner. Where he then procedes to stunlock you into oblivion.

Modifié par Urzon, 21 septembre 2011 - 07:41 .

[UltiPup]

Urzon wrote...

You mean Hawke's most powerful weapon was healing potions and/or magic right? He/she would have been dead without them.

Plus, i'm sure they added those self-stuns for the Arishok to make the fight easily. It's annoying enough to fight him as a warrior or a rogue. I don't want to imagine fighting him when all he does is chase you around and trys to back you into a corner. Where he then procedes to stunlock you into oblivion.

The Arishok used them too so is it unfair that Hawke should be free to use them as well? And why can't his charges be canon? Hawke obviously can't get within close range so he/she needs an opening to appear.

[clennon8]

The last couple times I fought the Arishok on Hard difficulty, I didn't even need to use a Healing Potion. Just sayin.

[Urzon]

UltiPup wrote...

Urzon wrote...

You mean Hawke's most powerful weapon was healing potions and/or magic right? He/she would have been dead without them.

Plus, i'm sure they added those self-stuns for the Arishok to make the fight easily. It's annoying enough to fight him as a warrior or a rogue. I don't want to imagine fighting him when all he does is chase you around and trys to back you into a corner. Where he then procedes to stunlock you into oblivion.

The Arishok used them too so is it unfair that Hawke should be free to use them as well? And why can't his charges be canon? Hawke obviously can't get within close range so he/she needs an opening to appear.

I never said it was unfair for Hawke to use potions. I was just saying that destiny can only do so much when the Arishok just landed a swing that would cleave someone in half. That's is why i said healing potions and magic was his greatest weapon. Pity sarcasm doesn't come across well in type.

The Qunari aren't dumb. When has charging head first at your opponent when he/she is standing next to a wall ever a good idea?

Modifié par Urzon, 21 septembre 2011 - 09:57 .

[DPSSOC]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

I am currently on my 2nd playthrough and establishing my canon for DA3. I defeated the Arishok in single combat with my warrior about 5 hours ago and consider going back to defeat him with my party, as I think the Arishok should be beyond any Fereldan refugee to beat in a duel, considering how the Arishok is chosen in the Qun and what his role is. Any ideas to the contrary so I do not have to play these last 5 hours again? ;-)

Even a Fereldan refugee who's slayed umpteen dragons of varyious ages, darkspawn, demons, and abominations?  Not to mention may have decimated the Tal Vashoth which the Arishok and his Qunari either wouldn't or couldn't do.

Admittedly in each of those fights Hawke had help but I it still lends credibility to the idea that Hawke is atypical of Fereldan refugees and could, with skill and a lot of luck, best the Arishok in hand to hand combat.

[The Baconer]

Meh, the Arishok literally can't do jack **** to a mage. Those are always my easiest playthroughs.

[WhiteKnyght]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

I am currently on my 2nd playthrough and establishing my canon for DA3. I defeated the Arishok in single combat with my warrior about 5 hours ago and consider going back to defeat him with my party, as I think the Arishok should be beyond any Fereldan refugee to beat in a duel, considering how the Arishok is chosen in the Qun and what his role is. Any ideas to the contrary so I do not have to play these last 5 hours again? ;-)

That they're not chosen solely by fighting prowess?

Maybe the one with the biggest horns becomes the Arishok.

Think about it, did any of the others have a pair like THAT?!

[Oblivious]

Urzon wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Urzon wrote...

You mean Hawke's most powerful weapon was healing potions and/or magic right? He/she would have been dead without them.

Plus, i'm sure they added those self-stuns for the Arishok to make the fight easily. It's annoying enough to fight him as a warrior or a rogue. I don't want to imagine fighting him when all he does is chase you around and trys to back you into a corner. Where he then procedes to stunlock you into oblivion.

The Arishok used them too so is it unfair that Hawke should be free to use them as well? And why can't his charges be canon? Hawke obviously can't get within close range so he/she needs an opening to appear.

I never said it was unfair for Hawke to use potions. I was just saying that destiny can only do so much when the Arishok just landed a swing that would cleave someone in half. That's is why i said healing potions and magic was his greatest weapon. Pity sarcasm doesn't come across well in type.

The Qunari aren't dumb. When has charging head first at your opponent when he/she is standing next to a wall ever a good idea?

Better question: When has charging headfirst into somebody carrying a sword/spear larger than the person itself been a good idea?<_< Sometimes I wish I could just hold my weapon right in front of me and have the Arishok charge into that

[filetemo]

Warden is much more powerful than Hawke. Warden slains Flemeth, Hawke crumbles in awe before her.

[Gervaise]

The Arishok is lacking combat fitness - most of the last 3 years he has been in the Docks Distrct compound with only lesser Qunari as sparing partners - and also lacks experience of Hawke's fighting style. My easiest defeats of him were as a rogue because I used guile instead of sheer brute strength. I was either a shadow/assassin or shadow/duelist. The former was the best as I could use the decoy to distract him and then hit him with back stab and twin blades for a large amount of damage before sneaking off behind a pillar to recover. With all of my Hawkes it seemed that speed and agility were the key to defeating him. My warrior had the greatest difficulty because of the lack of skills that the Arishok did not also possess.
The Warden can choose to take on Loghain in single combat (a seasoned combat veteran who has probably lost his edge over the preceding months), Hawke can take on the Arishok (ditto). Actually what made less sense was how easily Hawke and companions take down the Qunari honour guard. Now you would expect them to be really difficult. Still the fact that the Arishok has an honour guard would seem to indicate that he is not considered invincible by his own people and I doubt Fenris would suggest the contest unless he was reasonably confident that Hawke was up to it.