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[teenparty]

How come Bethany sounds so bitter when you meet her as a grey warden during the fight with the quonari? 

[RagingCyclone]

Basically because actually being a Grey Warden is not all that the legends say it is. Being a GW is essentially a prolonged death sentence with continuous nightmares and dreams about darkspawn. It's not a happy life, and although she is still grateful for being alive, it's not the kind of life she imagined for herself.

[teenparty]

Still, it's a strange way to greet a lost sibling. She seemed so selfless earlier.

[caradoc2000]

It is Hawke's fault that Bethany ended up as GW.

[happy_daiz]

Bethany is much happier if she goes to the Circle (by not taking her to the Deep Roads). She writes to tell you that she enjoys working with the kids, or something to that effect.

[whykikyouwhy]

Actually, I found her tone in the Act 2 to be somewhat terse even as a mage. While Bethany may not blame her sibling (for either the Qunari attack of her own placement with the Circle or Wardens), I think her demeanor simply underscores the tension of the moment - it's very much "well b*lls, here's chaos once again...why does every city I say in end up on fire?"

When we see her in act 3, she is much more calm and confident. She's grown accustomed to her new skills/abilities and thus is ready to take her place in the ensuing battle (well, depending on how you handle that reunion in act 3).

[TEWR]

Why so serious?

[LadyJaneGrey]

<--  She spent too much time with my bitter, cynical Warden, and it rubbed off. 

[Lenimph]

They made her cover up her boobs

[TEWR]

To be serious: Imagine how you would feel though if you only had 30 years to live and most likely wouldn't be able to have a family through any natural means.

The price of freedom for her was heavy indeed. She lost a lot becoming a Warden, and has every right to feel bitter about it. She's angry at herself and Hawke, and although she mostly takes it out on Hawke most of her anger is towards herself.

[jlb524]

It's nothing ridiculous dancing can't solve.

[phaonica]

You mean there are worse things in life than being a Circle mage?

Everything I've been told is a lie

Modifié par phaonica, 20 septembre 2011 - 07:43 .

[GreenClover]

To be serious: Imagine how you would feel though if you only had 30 years to live and most likely wouldn't be able to have a family through any natural means.

The problem is, her only alternative was death. She didn't see it the way we do, as "Become a Circle mage/ Become a Grey Warden/ Die", for she can't know what could have happened if she had stayed at home. Her choice is what happens on the Deep Roads: you become a Warden or you die. No any Circle mages, no prices of freedom. 
If she just blamed Hawke for taking her to the DR, it would be slippy point, but I could understand. However, as I see it, she blames Hawke for taking her to the Wardens (which means: for saving her life). This is what I fail to understand. 

Modifié par GreenClover, 20 septembre 2011 - 07:52 .

[thats1evildude]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Actually, I found her tone in the Act 2 to be somewhat terse even as a mage. While Bethany may not blame her sibling (for either the Qunari attack of her own placement with the Circle or Wardens), I think her demeanor simply underscores the tension of the moment - it's very much "well b*lls, here's chaos once again...why does every city I say in end up on fire?"

I also wonder if Ella's fate has any impact on Bethany's demeanour, as she was Bethany's protegé.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 20 septembre 2011 - 08:25 .

[DoNotIngest]

Isn't Bethany much happier at the Circle, with Carver much happier with the Wardens?


After all, Bethany just wants to be a good little girl and further her mage skillz. While Carver wants to one-up his bro/sis; And what better way than to become a leet uber legendary Warden?

[GreenClover]

It always seemed to me that Carver is happier as a templar. It was his own choice after all, he was not forced to become one.

[thats1evildude]

GreenClover wrote...

The problem is, her only alternative was death.

And she probably recognizes that. But it doesn't change the fact that she was thrust into a life she never chose, and all she can look forward to is spending the next thirty years hunting darkspawn and having re-occuring nightmares before she's forced to take one final march into the Deep Roads. Meanwhile, her sibling gets to kick back in the lap of luxury at their posh ancestral mansion in Hightown.

I don't know about you, but that would turn me a tad bitter.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 20 septembre 2011 - 08:30 .

[GreenClover]

 No-no, I realize why she is so upset (I would be as well in her shoes). Blaiming Hawke for taking her to GW instead of leaving her to die is just a little bit strange. Well, blaiming us for escaping the Deep Roads safely / for taking her there from the beginning / even "just because it's so damn unfair I'm too young and beutiful to spend my life like this you stupid brother everything sucks!" would be less strange, that's all I'm saying 

[dragonfire100]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

To be serious: Imagine how you would feel though if you only had 30 years to live and most likely wouldn't be able to have a family through any natural means.

The price of freedom for her was heavy indeed. She lost a lot becoming a Warden, and has every right to feel bitter about it. She's angry at herself and Hawke, and although she mostly takes it out on Hawke most of her anger is towards herself.

So you think she be happy dead or going to a mage prison?

[Bullets McDeath]

dragonfire100 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

To be serious: Imagine how you would feel though if you only had 30 years to live and most likely wouldn't be able to have a family through any natural means.

The price of freedom for her was heavy indeed. She lost a lot becoming a Warden, and has every right to feel bitter about it. She's angry at herself and Hawke, and although she mostly takes it out on Hawke most of her anger is towards herself.

So you think she be happy dead or going to a mage prison?

She's pretty happy in the Circle, actually. Happier than she is as a Warden. Carver = bitter Templar/happy Warden ; Bethany = bitter Warden/happy Circle Mage.

[Knight of Dane]

AH the wonders of knowing all possible outcomes in hindsight!
Like Bethany!

Oh wait, she doesn't.

[Sylvianus]

 Bethany has always dreamed of a stable and normal life. Nothing more, nothing less. And the life of a grey warden is anything but normal, anything but stable, anything but easy. Bethany has never dreamed of honor, glory, has never been driven by wars, and indeed has trouble understanding what some find interesting to become a soldier, where you fight all the time for petty goals.  Bethany don't want to fight all the time.

A grey Warden : fight,  No close family, no joy, no ability to have material things. For someone like Bethany who dreams of dresses and warmth, stability, that's very hard. Bethany wasn't ready for all that, that's why she behaves like that.

But that doesn't mean she won't change in the future. I felt in Act 3 she had finished by resigning herself to her new life, and she began, full of wisdom, to see things differently.

It is the opposite of Carver. Carver doesn't looking for easy things, he wants challenges, to prove that he is capable of many things, wants to test his strength and to find his place in the universe even if it means facing terrible things. He wants things done, to serve a great cause, feeling that it is useful. Being a grey warden brought him this thing he always wanted. That's why he's happy among them.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 20 septembre 2011 - 09:11 .