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[Pink_Pyro]

You know what detracted from ME 1 being an even better game? Making it a console exclusive at first. Let's argue over that instead. Imagine if they weren't restricted to just a single DVD, or a controller with limited buttons. Think of the development possibilities! Let's just blame MS for this.

Modifié par Pink_Pyro, 10 octobre 2011 - 01:52 .

[javierabegazo]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Time for Dwight Schrute fact checks.

Fact:  Correlation does not equal causation.
Fact:  Who is to "blame" is irrelevant
Opinion:  What matters is what multiplayer in Mass Effect 3 will be like, and since none of us has any friggin' clue, drawing conclusions now is premature.

Godbless you upsettingshorts

[AlphaJarmel]

100k wrote...

The artwork seems to have been done by Patryk.

He did a horrible job then.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Juztinb42 wrote...

You assume far too little.  Eventually you have to put 2 and 2 together and come to a conclusion.

Time for Dwight Schrute fact checks.

Fact: EA are greedy
Fact: BioWare are part of EA now
Fact: ME1 was developed by BioWare
Fact: ME2 was developed by BioWare/EA
Fact: ME2 is more shooter than RPG
Fact: Most shooters have multiplayer
Opinion: Most shooters are commercial diarrhea
Opinion: ME2 is and ME3 will be commercial diarrhea

I'm just not seeing how you can't pin this on EA.  They did the same exact thing with Dead Space 2.

Oh Jesus! Companies want to MAKE MONEY?! They are Satan incarnate, the greedy ****s! Because before EA corrupted Holy Bioware, all they did was sell games and donate all of the proceeds to starving children in Africa.

Wild declarations aside, I don't even see how co-op will work well in ME3 or could even be any fun. Going off of ME2, honestly a grand amount of the time you're planet scanning. Or just talking to people in non-combat situations, and the missions aren't really very long. Whoever's co-oping with you would be bored pretty quickly.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The part I like best about this "debate" is the people who are reflexively against multiplayer are imagining how bad it could be, and the people who are reflexively for multiplayer are imagining how good it could be.

Everyone's still making assumptions based on literally no data.

Rykn wrote...

It's not about "Multiplayer has been done by Bioware before". It's about "Does Multiplayer fit in Mass Effect 3"

Since no-one here has any idea what form it will take, it's not really "about" anything other than hand-wringing.

Tell me about it.

What makes me sad, is that they could have been more honest. They denied it first and then after that fearful meeting with EA shareholders came the delay, that awful statement from the EA guy, they never denied it again, kinect on E3 and now this. Everything makes sense in the end. It was never about polishing the sp experience like we imagined. Or at least not only about it.

And they've given the rpg elitist crowd even more ammo to whine here and make this hell again. I cannot wait for a new Terror K thread.

It's a sad day indeed.

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 10 octobre 2011 - 01:54 .

[night_raven26]

 What do you think about this? 

[Pink_Pyro]

It's better than the state of the BF3 forums. The posters there make the WoW and CoD fans look like angels.

[UnadoptedTrack]

night_raven26 wrote...

 What do you think about this? 

You mean the thing we've been referring to for over six hours?

[upsettingshorts]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

What makes me sad, is that they could have been more honest.

Nothing I've read ever led me to believe they had ruled it out, only didn't want to go on the record one way or the other. 

RyuGuitarFreak wrote..

And they've given the rpg elitist crowd even more ammo to whine here and make this hell again.

They don't require any encouragement. 

[Juztinb42]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Time for Dwight Schrute fact checks.

Fact:  Correlation does not equal causation.
Fact:  Who is to "blame" is irrelevant
Opinion:  What matters is what multiplayer in Mass Effect 3 will be like, and since none of us has any friggin' clue, drawing conclusions now is premature.

Right, but correlation is correlation.  And correlation is useful in speculation.  Ation.

I'm not blaming anybody, I was responding to the other guy who said we can't be sure EA is behind it.  I'd say it's more likely than not that they are.

You're bringing in an argument that I wasn't even touching upon so save that for the birds.

[Pink_Pyro]

Nor should any dev team listen to their thoughts/feedback.

[stonbw1]

BW/EA likely has a rough estimate as to how much content to include in ME3 to match up with the previous games and be worth the purchase price. My only concern is that they will see MP as adding to that amount of content and thus, be able to pull various missions from the base game and turn that into DLC to be purchased later.

Of course, we'll never know.

[didymos1120]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

And they've given the rpg elitist crowd even more ammo to whine here and make this hell again. I cannot wait for a new Terror K thread.

Oh, like either of those wouldn't have happened anyway.  It'd just be about something else that was being taken as the latest portent of doom.

[shinobi602]

At least we know why the game was pushed back...........

*sigh*

[didymos1120]

night_raven26 wrote...

 What do you think about this? 

It's what we're currently discussing, is what I think about it.  I also think it's why Javier should have locked this thread and left the other one open.

[Pink_Pyro]

ME was never going to compete with Skyrim/BF3 anyway.

[night_raven26]

 Maybe they've cut out: "We travel to BioWare’s office in Edmonton for hands-on time with the series’ first foray into online gameplay, and chat with Mass Effect Series Producer and Mass Effect 3 Project Director Casey Hudson about the decision (of whether) to go multiplayer in the epic battle for the galaxy."

Maybe they aren't actually going multiplayer, but the magazine wrote that to increase sales. I hope.

[javierabegazo]

Pink_Pyro wrote...

It's better than the state of the BF3 forums. The posters there make the WoW and CoD fans look like angels.

That they just took away the Beta doesn't help things

[upsettingshorts]

Juztinb42 wrote...

Right, but correlation is correlation.  And correlation is useful in speculation. 

Sure, if you draw useful or revealing correlations. 

BioWare is and always has been greedy too, or they wouldn't have taken EA's money.  But they're a for-profit company, holding it against them (or EA) is like admonishing a crippled guy for hogging the wheelchair.  

Your other observations - such as the implication that EA forced BioWare to make ME2 "more shootery" and if they did, only because they thought it would make more money - would stand up to about five minutes of scrutiny, at least to the extent that other possibilities can reasonably inferred to be true, thus rendering your absolute correlations worthless and... useless for speculation.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 octobre 2011 - 02:02 .

[RamirezWolfen]

night_raven26 wrote...

 Maybe they've cut out: "We travel to BioWare’s office in Edmonton for hands-on time with the series’ first foray into online gameplay, and chat with Mass Effect Series Producer and Mass Effect 3 Project Director Casey Hudson about the decision (of whether) to go multiplayer in the epic battle for the galaxy."

Maybe they aren't actually going multiplayer, but the magazine wrote that to increase sales. I hope.

That would be flat out lying on the magazine's part.

[night_raven26]

And sorry,I didn't know what people here were talking about, I haven't read through all this thread, I found that link in another thread.

[didymos1120]

shinobi602 wrote...

At least we know why the game was pushed back...........

*sigh*

No, we don't know that.  We can certainly suspect, and even do so strongly, but we don't actually know. 

[Pink_Pyro]

Here's a gem of a thread on the BF UK site titled: "Letter to Dice: Why your community is upset."

Any bets on when we'll see similar threads popping up here?

[IronSabbath88]

It's co-op. It's completley un-related to the story. It's not going to affect singleplayer.

Sounds like Red Dead Redemption to me... and wouldn't you know it, that's actually fun.

For all the people who are going to quit Mass Effect because of this. BYE! DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON THE WAY OUT!

Seriously... co-op... NOT competitve multiplayer. Surely you have SOME friends.. right?

[night_raven26]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

That would be flat out lying on the magazine's part.

Yeah, that never happens... <_<