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[Gorosaur]

MGIII wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Azbeszt wrote...

zot arguments are stupid.

What are zot arguments?

Any that can be summarized with, "I don't like this because it is potentially robbing resources from single player."

It's dumb because no one here knows how many zots (resources) exist, how BioWare distributes them, if BioWare would have had them in the first place, etc.  

It's essentially an argument that implicitly acknowledges a level of ignorance of the facts at hand that is so comprehensive as to make anything the poster says wildly hypothetical speculation, yet people take the conclusions drawn so seriously as to prejudice themselves against whatever feature raises their ire.

You can effectively sum it up by saying people want as many reseources as possible pooled into a certain project, namely ME's single player, considering that this is the ME board. Therefore, any resources not going to MESP are resources wasted, in their minds.

The problem is that people are taking offense at a personal level about how Bioware is partitioning the resources at their disposal.

The thing is though that as many people have pointed out the multiplayer is being developed at a separate branch of Biwoare with its own budget. 

People don't need to worry about resources. Especially when it comes to writing. (How existence of multi-player leads to bad writing is beyond me).

[FoxHound109]

I really hope this multiplayer doesn't turn out like Fable's...

[didymos1120]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

As for the skills, they may be less than in ME1 but their effects are far greater and each rank has way more meaning than ME1's.

The other thing is, people don't really seem to pay much attention to what the skills in ME1 actually did.  Which is to say, many of them provided bonuses to the same basic stats.  There was a lot of pointless redundancy.

[Blooddrunk1004]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Oh well, if this is true, you know what this means. Future DA games are probably going to be multiplayer too.

I think that would be an improvement for the DA series.

That's true, I mean, after DAII... It's possible to get any worse than that?

DAII being a 'meh' Bioware game doesn't make it the worst thing since Kane & Lynch 2.

Mindjack is far worse then Kane and Lynch 2

[DarkDragon777]

didymos1120 wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Yes, and I'm one of those people. I am genuinely upset about this, ecause this gives huge implications about their future as a gaming company.

Even though they've been doing MP on-and-off since the very beginning of the company?  And even though most of the times they've done it have been in the RPG titles?

You mean Neverwinter Nights? Not that that got longer than a 2 year development cycle or anything...

[Pink_Pyro]

BW are so short staffed, MP programmers are moonlighting as lead writers too.

[LPPrince]

slimgrin wrote...

Prince, you're too goddamned optimistic.

God, I'm chaotic. Sometimes I'm optimistic, sometimes pessimistic, sometimes I just don't give a damn.

But damns are being given right now, that's for sure. Just not sure how to feel until we get concrete information.

So I'll let it rest at confusion and a little bit of worry.

[MGIII]

leonia42 wrote...

If people are taking offense on a personal level, then I suggest they sort ther personal issues out elsewhere. We're not a therapy group.

Therein lies the problem, you see.

[AlphaJarmel]

MGIII wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Azbeszt wrote...

zot arguments are stupid.

What are zot arguments?

Any that can be summarized with, "I don't like this because it is potentially robbing resources from single player."

It's dumb because no one here knows how many zots (resources) exist, how BioWare distributes them, if BioWare would have had them in the first place, etc.  

It's essentially an argument that implicitly acknowledges a level of ignorance of the facts at hand that is so comprehensive as to make anything the poster says wildly hypothetical speculation, yet people take the conclusions drawn so seriously as to prejudice themselves against whatever feature raises their ire.

You can effectively sum it up by saying people want as many reseources as possible pooled into a certain project, namely ME's single player, considering that this is the ME board. Therefore, any resources not going to MESP are resources wasted, in their minds.

The problem is that people are taking offense at a personal level about how Bioware is partitioning the resources at their disposal.

It's an extremely stupid argument.  People make it seem like the budget for the game was set in stone long ago and that multiplayer would come out of that budget instead of say EA just raising the budget to include a multiplayer option.  I mean it's not like EA is extremely short of cash and compared to TOR, any sort of budget increase would be a drop in the ocean.

The bigger issue would be developer time and Montreal would lessen that.

[upsettingshorts]

Gorosaur wrote...

People don't need to worry about resources. Especially when it comes to writing. (How existence of multi-player leads to bad writing is beyond me).

Especially considering the writing is done before the developers even have a good grasp of what features will be in the game.

Seriously, I don't have a link but I'm near certain David Gaider or someone explained this was the reason why there weren't any Blood Mage-specific dialogue options in DA2, the developers weren't sure at the time of writing if Blood Mage would be an available specialization.

It's a process.  The writing for ME3 is long done.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 octobre 2011 - 03:15 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I hope it's DLC, at least. Or better yet, it's on its own disk. I really don't want this crap to be part of the main game.

Also, there better not be multiplayer achievements...

[Leonia]

I probably wouldn't give a damn if we had some other bit of news to talk about around here.

[RamirezWolfen]

FoxHound109 wrote...

I really hope this multiplayer doesn't turn out like Fable's...

I don't think so, as those are two completley different games.

[azerSheppard]

4 player Horde it is then, don't think the feeble BW programming can handle a 6v6 game.

Then again, it is a diferent studio, so maybe they got some skill, and we might get a MP that's more than worth the wait.

[Pink_Pyro]

Meh. ME 1 was a disappointment. Can't be any worse than that.

[Chewin]

Guess it was inevitable in the end.

Ah well, let's see how it turns out at least.

[LPPrince]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I hope it's DLC, at least. Or better yet, it's on its own disk. I really don't want this crap to be part of the main game.

Also, there better not be multiplayer achievements...

That'd be one hell of a DLC.

But yes, on a minor note-

There better not be multiplayer achievements.

[Dionkey]

*spam deleted per Site Rules #2*

 I'm not really protesting any more, because it seems Bioware won't listen, but when did anyone really ask for multiplayer? I mean, I would understand if there was a vocal group who said, "YEAH MULTIPLAYER, LET'S GET SOME", but they don't really exist, so I fail to see why they would implement such a feature. The only way this is going to remotely work is if it is some weak co-op mode where your friends can play as your squademates. Oh well, my hopes for ME3 have simply died off at this point, I am sure they will skyrocket around release.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 10 octobre 2011 - 03:51 .

[Candidate 88766]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

unfringed wrote...

ME2 was a mess from a storytelling perspective. Everything that made ME1 great was ditched for "streamlined gameplay". "Making decisions that count" meant you get an email saying thanks.

Bioware promised "ME3 will focus on story".

HEY GUIES WE HAVE OMNI TOOL BLADES. HEY GUIES YOU CAN SNIPE THE PILOT OF SOME MECHS. HEY GUIES WE HAVE MULTIPLAYER NOW.

It's not irrational to suspect that the downgrade from ME1 in ME2 will continue in ME3 when everything, from the advertising to the gameplay, suggests that all they're really concerned with is attracting cowwadooty fans with multiplayer and combat gimmicks.

What did we lose from ME1 to ME2? A bunch of tiers of relatively worthless skills where each point raised your armor or damage by 2%? 'Exploration' that involved slowly climbing jagged cliffs at 85 degree angles where the only difference between them were the color scheme, the skybox and whether it was the stock warehouse, the stock bunker or the stock mine? An inventory system that gave you the 'choice' of having the exact same armor and guns as everyone else where 98% of the crap you picked up was IMMEDIATELY sold to a vendor or turned into omni-gel, which was also rendered useless when you easily maxed out your credits and omni-gel?

I call that polishing, not losing what made ME1 great.

Exactly.

ME2 had all the things from ME1 that made it good - the setting, the characters, the dialogue/writing, the choices. The overall story of ME2 wasn't as good, but some of the loyalty mission 'stories' were brilliant. As long as ME3 keeps these things - story, characters, setting and choice - it'll be brilliant, and it'll be an ME game. Everything else - inventory, loot, customization - is just icing on the cake really. I'd like it to be there, but it isn't essential. I enjoyed ME2 far more than ME1 because they did away with unnecessary mechanics.


OT: I don't mind MP. As long as the SP is unaffected, and ME3 provides a brilliant conclusion to what has so far been my favourite game series (with the possible exception of Half-life, although I don't think we'll ever see the conclusion to that), then I'm happy. Hell, ever since I heard about Mass Effect way back in 2005 I've wanted some kind of MP in that universe. For me, Bioware have delivered with the past 2 games and I see no reason to believe they won't deliver with ME3.


On a side note, there seem to be way too many pseudo-hipsters in this thread. Just because something appeals to a wider audience doesn't automatically make it bad, it just means more people like it. ME2 and ME3 being more 'mainstream' than ME1 doesn't automatically make them worse. Liking a game with muliplayer won't suddenly change you into a degenerate dribbling mess of a person; likewise hating a game purely on the basis that more than one person can play along at once doesn't make you a beacon of human intelligence and righteousness.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 10 octobre 2011 - 03:17 .

[DaringMoosejaw]

azerSheppard wrote...

4 player Horde it is then, don't think the feeble BW programming can handle a 6v6 game.

Then again, it is a diferent studio, so maybe they got some skill, and we might get a MP that's more than worth the wait.

If there's multi-player, the Bioware way to do it would be to make it co-op or have them have their own set up missions. ME3 having multi-player with full-on Half-Life styled deathmatch with respawns would just seem...random and pointless.

[cachx]

Just checking if we are running in circles.
Yes, yes we are. Carry on.

[RamirezWolfen]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I hope it's DLC, at least. Or better yet, it's on its own disk. I really don't want this crap to be part of the main game.

Also, there better not be multiplayer achievements...

Name one game with multiplayer that didn't have multiplayer achievements.

[roflchoppaz]

LPPrince wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I hope it's DLC, at least. Or better yet, it's on its own disk. I really don't want this crap to be part of the main game.

Also, there better not be multiplayer achievements...

That'd be one hell of a DLC.

But yes, on a minor note-

There better not be multiplayer achievements.

Time to be a realist, LPPrince. Of course there will be.

[didymos1120]

Cosmon wrote...

Eh, I will reserve my judgement for when the magazine comes out. The amount of times Multiplayer has been 'confirmed' is kinda ridiculous.
 

The difference in this case is that they're advertising an interview with Casey Hudson specifically about multiplayer.  That's in stark contrast to previous MP stories, where the source was something like "Someone said so on some NeoGAF thread."