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[Terror_K]

What a surprise... Hollywood once again ruins, retools and reboots another IP, and one that isn't even old and gathering dust this time. The whole movie just sounds like it's made of suck and fail even more than I thought it would be.

[SandTrout]

With any luck, the investors will come to their senses and pull their money from the project, like what I assume happened to the HALO movie.

[Illiandri]

Taking a step back and looking at Legendary Pictures track record I am filled with 60% hope 40% dread. Legendary Pictures has been the production company of some of the best and phenomenal movies of the century until today. The Batman movies, Inception, Watchmen and 300. They also produced drivel like 10.000BC and Lady in the Water and mediocrity like Clash of the Titans.

Avi Arad was the man who pushed Marvel to license its IP out, which resulted in movies such as X-Men, Iron Man, The Punisher, of which he was exec producer. He also produced Bratz the Movie so he has done some mistakes but overall a stellar track record.

Mark Protosevich wrote the screenplay of good movies such as I am Legend, Thor but then again he wrote Cell with Lopez so a bit dubious here.

Until we get confirmation on the Director I have decided to remain on the fence, not condemning it or praising it. The data we have now is inconclusive. We don't know what the plot will be, who will star or whether their Shepard has any connection to the game version or will he be an alternate history Shepard? A Shepard who never joined the Normandy on her virgin voyage.....

[LOLandStuff]

Legendary Pictures is just like an ugly girl who covers her ugliness with lots of mascara and what not, they cover their mind blowing plot holes and nonsense with special effects.
Watchmen wasn't even interesting in the first place. They just followed the comics and wasn't such a big deal, only the characters were moving and talking. 300...I won't even start on that one.
Thor was a horrible movie who should be purged. There were just stuff going on and nothing more.
And Mark Protosevich completely missed the point of I am Legend if you read the book, which you'll know why it's call I am Legend in the first place.
This is going to be another movie with things going on. It's already lame they can't even come up with an original story and need to focus on a popular character to attract people.

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 22 septembre 2011 - 10:13 .

[Biotic Sage]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Legendary Pictures is just like an ugly girl who covers her ugliness with lots of mascara and what not, they cover their mind blowing plot holes and nonsense with special effects.
Watchmen wasn't even interesting in the first place. They just followed the comics and wasn't such a big deal, only the characters were moving and talking. 300...I won't even start on that one.
Thor was a horrible movie who should be purged. There were just stuff going on and nothing more.
And Mark Protosevich completely missed the point of I am Legend if you read the book, which you'll know why it's call I am Legend in the first place.
This is going to be another movie with things going on. It's already lame they can't even come up with an original story and need to focus on a popular character to attract people.

You, sir, are one of the rare few that understands what a quality film is.  Just be prepared for flames, because if you say 300, Thor, and sometimes even Sucker Punch (shudder) are bad movies, millions of 13-18 year-old boys will unleash their fury.  And don't let people tell you that you are a contrarion; it's not your fault that the vast majority of movies that Hollywood churns out are complete and utter sh!t.  Calling it how it is is not being a contrarion, it's just being an observer.

What scares me the most is that because Thor, Transformers, and Capt. America are all considered to be really good movies by a very large portion of moviegoers, the Mass Effect film will try to emulate their success.  Even scarier to me than a universally panned and terrible Mass Effect film is a Mass Effect film that achieves commercial success and the audience's love, but is in reality as terrible as these generic and soulless modern films.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 22 septembre 2011 - 10:27 .

[Chugster]

this is bad news....sheploo is not my Shep....even having shep is a bad idea...this movie will tank bigtime....shame really

Modifié par Chugster, 22 septembre 2011 - 10:33 .

[Grumpy young man]

Hm...it could work, maybe.*imagines* Laurence Fishburne as Adams, Jason Statham with amercan accent as Shep....

[Illiandri]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Legendary Pictures is just like an ugly girl who covers her ugliness with lots of mascara and what not, they cover their mind blowing plot holes and nonsense with special effects.
Watchmen wasn't even interesting in the first place. They just followed the comics and wasn't such a big deal, only the characters were moving and talking. 300...I won't even start on that one.
Thor was a horrible movie who should be purged. There were just stuff going on and nothing more.
And Mark Protosevich completely missed the point of I am Legend if you read the book, which you'll know why it's call I am Legend in the first place.
This is going to be another movie with things going on. It's already lame they can't even come up with an original story and need to focus on a popular character to attract people.

You seem to have the missed the point with Watchmen. It remained faithful to the message of the graphic novel, which was something incredible in itself. They could have easily ****ed up turning it into mindless drivel but they didn't.
300 was not Ben Hur but was a well executed movie that also remained faithful to the origin material, which was a graphic novel.
These two examples are of movies that remained faithful to the origin material in spirit and in style, with all the pros and cons that brings.

Thor was not a horrible movie but simply an ok movie. Nothing special but considering the source material I was pleasantly suprised. The script was decent and gave Kenneth Branagh room to make a stereotypical "ALWAYS ANGRY" character into somebody I could slightly empathasise with.

The original version of I am Legend, before the exec meddling was far closer to the spirit of the book than the cut paste ending of the theatrical version. Find someone with the dvd and watch the original ending. Much better.

EDIT: You forgot to mention faults with the Batman movies and Inception. Continue the knee jerk reactions to something you have near to no info about. At least wait till you hear about the actors before claiming that THEY CHANGED IT! NOW IT SUCKS!!!

http://tvtropes.org/...gedItNowItSucks

Modifié par Illiandri, 22 septembre 2011 - 10:49 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Its extremely relevant. As it is now, your Shepard is THE Shepard. My Shepard is The Shepard. Shepard is who we want them to be. That's the beauty of the character. This movie will destroy that. From then on, your Shepard will just be an "Alternate" Shepard.

I don't want that.

For the love of GOD, get of your possesive high horse! A move Sheppard doesn't change your Sheppard at all.

What is stupidity is making a ME movie, and then not having anything to do with the damn game. If it's a ME move, then it SHOULD have Sheppard, it SHOULD have Saren, it SHOULD have Joker.
Make spin-offs and side stories with different characters later.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Sharn01 wrote...

Great, so they have the whole ME universe to work with, the entire galaxy, multiple timelines and different races and stories to use, and they just have to make it about Shepard. It would have been refreshing to see something else in the ME universe, and to explore different stories, instead its more of the same characters, not to mention they just give the finger to every player whos Shep isnt like the one they will canonize for the film.

They're not giving a finger to anyone whiny boy.

And the ME movie should be the first of meny, thus it should bring the best ME universe has to offer and the most recognizable - hence the ME1 story. Even moreso because its' nto aimed only at you.

[Jedi warden]

i have really bad feelings about this they will end with big crap and since this Mass Effect well....... *Crying*

[Barambu]

I don't understand, why writing a Story around Shepard in a Movie? They can only dissapoint people with this. For the ones who know the game they destroy "their" imagination of Shepard. All others, who would be new introduced to the ME Franchise, simply don't care as long it's a great, exciting and interesting movie.

Bioware really, really misses out a great opportunity to expand the ME Universe/Franchise. This decision just makes no sense at all.

[Lotion Soronarr]

No, the decision you describe would make no sesne at all.

[nitefyre410]

Illiandri wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Legendary Pictures is just like an ugly girl who covers her ugliness with lots of mascara and what not, they cover their mind blowing plot holes and nonsense with special effects.
Watchmen wasn't even interesting in the first place. They just followed the comics and wasn't such a big deal, only the characters were moving and talking. 300...I won't even start on that one.
Thor was a horrible movie who should be purged. There were just stuff going on and nothing more.
And Mark Protosevich completely missed the point of I am Legend if you read the book, which you'll know why it's call I am Legend in the first place.
This is going to be another movie with things going on. It's already lame they can't even come up with an original story and need to focus on a popular character to attract people.

You seem to have the missed the point with Watchmen. It remained faithful to the message of the graphic novel, which was something incredible in itself. They could have easily ****ed up turning it into mindless drivel but they didn't.
300 was not Ben Hur but was a well executed movie that also remained faithful to the origin material, which was a graphic novel.
These two examples are of movies that remained faithful to the origin material in spirit and in style, with all the pros and cons that brings.

Thor was not a horrible movie but simply an ok movie. Nothing special but considering the source material I was pleasantly suprised. The script was decent and gave Kenneth Branagh room to make a stereotypical "ALWAYS ANGRY" character into somebody I could slightly empathasise with.

The original version of I am Legend, before the exec meddling was far closer to the spirit of the book than the cut paste ending of the theatrical version. Find someone with the dvd and watch the original ending. Much better.

EDIT: You forgot to mention faults with the Batman movies and Inception. Continue the knee jerk reactions to something you have near to no info about. At least wait till you hear about the actors before claiming that THEY CHANGED IT! NOW IT SUCKS!!!

http://tvtropes.org/...gedItNowItSucks

 


Thor  - carried the theme that most of Thor stories always carried - he was pride aggrogant **** who wanted to do but did not  know how. Odin strips of his powers goes  banished to earth. Learns some humility, gets powers back and becomes the  Thor we know.   I tend   not to talk to people about movies anymore because its nothing more  "OMG this sucks WAAAAA" and they never take 5 minutes to site and watch it.   

My concern with the ME movie is that its going to Shepard.... AGAIN. Do we really need a  blow by blow re-telling of the game- those tend not to work because  game plot =/= movie plot.  If they are going to  Shepard again I would prefer if they did a  that  follows the sources and themes but has its own plot to it.

[Darkphalanax]

nitefyre410 wrote...

My concern with the ME movie is that its going to Shepard.... AGAIN. Do we really need a  blow by blow re-telling of the game- those tend not to work because  game plot =/= movie plot.  If they are going to  Shepard again I would prefer if they did a  that  follows the sources and themes but has its own plot to it.

This.. Point to that.

The history told us walking the
line of a movie/game adaptation, means failure..


ME Movie: Starships, explosions, ******, nonsense dialog, plot holes, big guns, sex... did I forget to mention plot holes????

[nitefyre410]

Darkphalanax wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

My concern with the ME movie is that its going to Shepard.... AGAIN. Do we really need a  blow by blow re-telling of the game- those tend not to work because  game plot =/= movie plot.  If they are going to  Shepard again I would prefer if they did a  that  follows the sources and themes but has its own plot to it.

This.. Point to that.

The history told us walking the
line of a movie/game adaptation, means failure..


ME Movie: Starships, explosions, ******, nonsense dialog, plot holes, big guns, sex... did I forget to mention plot holes????

 


The Biggest issue is the a game plot is  really bare bones  because you have gameplay that moves the story along  and not plot. In a movie you can't do that and don't have it.    The  Producer of the Prince of Perisa from Ubisoft talking about in actricle in GI - How working on the movie was different from working on the game than working on the graphic  Novel.    He explanied that once you strip a  game play from a video game plot this really not much to work with.    

No if you take just Themes, concepts,  Setting, Characters (To an extent) and come with a story in the same vein  then  may have some sucess. This what Silent Hill did and it for the most part worked.   The next issues is getthing the  good writers and Director - I vote JJ Abhrams,  Roberto Orci and  Alex Kurtzman - those they  work very well together as a Director - writer teams

[PXXL]

"Bunch of spineless boring old farts who can't enjoy a good popcorn movie and are afraid they will have to go against the movie KayNon."

[RyuujinZERO]

Illiandri wrote...

Mark Protosevich wrote the screenplay of good movies such as I am Legend

I am legend was a reasonable movie in it's own right, but like completely missed the point of the book by re-writing the ending, to the point that the title itself became meaningless*. That doesn't bode well for a story based on a story; like mass effect. the screenplay might be great, but it might as well have been an original sci-fi instead of the titular mass effect.





* I am Legend SPOILERS follow: In the book in the finale the zombies break into his lab to free to the zombie girl he has taken for study; but once they free the girl, they cautiously back away and leave him be - it then dawns on him these are sentient living creatures, and he has become their monster of legend; the lone monster with an alien mind who walks the day and steals their children to be vivisected - humanity's existance is now nothing more than a myth vaguely remembered. Hence "I am legend".

In the movie, he uses the girl to obtain a sample of a blood serum, and sacrifices himself to save a couple other characters so they can escape and save humanity, a total inversion. Do we want a Mass Effect where the council saves the day against the reaper horde by blowing up an alien mothership or something, because, that what'll happen...

[KenKenpachi]

Most people do play as the defualt male shep, that has been confirmed, and like it or not, he is the Face of Mass Effect. When people ask who Shepard is, its that face they will see first. So get over it, its just like KOTOR, make and play how you want. The "Canon" is for marketing and future projects. At some point a set canon has to be laided down if future projects are to be made. As say if a whole lot of new systems come and you can't import your save file to a new ME Universe game. As some of you are fond of saying when someone challanges your positions...."deal with it".

As to the movie if its not CGI I don't care to see it. Not one live action video game has ever turned out right or for the most even got off of the ground. As to CGI even they can fail, or be something you didn't expect, like Final Fantasy Spirits within. Though Advent Children was a good movie. Though this film might be set with the "Capturing of Shepard."

[Terror_K]

nitefyre410 wrote...

The next issues is getthing the  good writers and Director - I vote JJ Abhrams,  Roberto Orci and  Alex Kurtzman - those they  work very well together as a Director - writer teams

I thought you said good writers and director, not three of the biggest hacks and examples of what's wrong with modern Hollywood. <_<

[Illiandri]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

Illiandri wrote...

Mark Protosevich wrote the screenplay of good movies such as I am Legend

I am legend was a reasonable movie in it's own right, but like completely missed the point of the book by re-writing the ending, to the point that the title itself became meaningless*. That doesn't bode well for a story based on a story; like mass effect. the screenplay might be great, but it might as well have been an original sci-fi instead of the titular mass effect.





* I am Legend SPOILERS follow: In the book in the finale the zombies break into his lab to free to the zombie girl he has taken for study; but once they free the girl, they cautiously back away and leave him be - it then dawns on him these are sentient living creatures, and he has become their monster of legend; the lone monster with an alien mind who walks the day and steals their children to be vivisected - humanity's existance is now nothing more than a myth vaguely remembered. Hence "I am legend".

In the movie, he uses the girl to obtain a sample of a blood serum, and sacrifices himself to save a couple other characters so they can escape and save humanity, a total inversion. Do we want a Mass Effect where the council saves the day against the reaper horde by blowing up an alien mothership or something, because, that what'll happen...

I clarified that the original, pre-meddling ending was far closer to the spirit of the book than the horrific theatrical ending. The original ending is on youtube and as you can see it is far better.  Protosevich had created a good ending before the big wigs worried that an ending where the creatures were intelligent would confuse the viewers. Here throw the blame on the focus group than Protosevich.

EDIT: Here is the wiki link of the movie. Read what it says about the alternate ending:
http://en.wikipedia....Am_Legend_(film)

Modifié par Illiandri, 22 septembre 2011 - 01:53 .

[Illiandri]

Terror_K wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The next issues is getthing the  good writers and Director - I vote JJ Abhrams,  Roberto Orci and  Alex Kurtzman - those they  work very well together as a Director - writer teams

I thought you said good writers and director, not three of the biggest hacks and examples of what's wrong with modern Hollywood. <_<

Here I can't help but agree with Terror K. I like my movies to follow several laws of physics, the women to be real and the ham being finely cut and not slabs.

[Furball34]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Great, so they have the whole ME universe to work with, the entire galaxy, multiple timelines and different races and stories to use, and they just have to make it about Shepard. It would have been refreshing to see something else in the ME universe, and to explore different stories, instead its more of the same characters, not to mention they just give the finger to every player whos Shep isnt like the one they will canonize for the film.

They're not giving a finger to anyone whiny boy.

And the ME movie should be the first of meny, thus it should bring the best ME universe has to offer and the most recognizable - hence the ME1 story. Even moreso because its' nto aimed only at you.

Actually, perception of the series and it's characters change if they canonize it.
This wouldn't matter if there was no choice in the game.

ME series isnt about the end goal, it's about how you get there. That is what defines Shepard for players.
Making a movie takes the essence of the game away, once that is gone, ME is just another shooter game.

Sure one can play it as you like, but from what I've read on this thread so far, most would feel like they are doing something wrong if they deviate from the movie path. And that would totally kill the enjoyment of the game.

[PXXL]

Furball34 wrote...

Actually, perception of the series and it's characters change if they canonize it.
This wouldn't matter if there was no choice in the game.

ME series isnt about the end goal, it's about how you get there. That is what defines Shepard for players.
Making a movie takes the essence of the game away, once that is gone, ME is just another shooter game.

Sure one can play it as you like, but from what I've read on this thread so far, most would feel like they are doing something wrong if they deviate from the movie path. And that would totally kill the enjoyment of the game.

Sheep

[nitefyre410]

Terror_K wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The next issues is getthing the  good writers and Director - I vote JJ Abhrams,  Roberto Orci and  Alex Kurtzman - those they  work very well together as a Director - writer teams

I thought you said good writers and director, not three of the biggest hacks and examples of what's wrong with modern Hollywood. <_<

 


This is where  i have a nice  mental monologue  about the beauty of opinions and how they make the world go around... or the  other anology about opinions not as pleasent  and  smeels like ****e.. 

I'm having a good day so I stick with option A...