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CoffeeHolic93

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First of all - Hi, and thanks for all the help in advance! :lol:

I'm trying to get into the rogue class, but I haven't enjoyed any of the cunning-based bard builds around here on the forums. :?

I figured it the class itself was bad, left it at that and returned to the warrior/mage classes. It kept bothering me that I never bothered with the rogue class after that, and I want that to change - so I'm going for a dex-focused offtank rogue this time.

But here's the problem - I don't really know the deeper mechanics of the Rogue-class (what daggers to use, or if longswords/axes are superior etc.), what specs to choose and the general skill-point spread that would be best, and I need your help for that. :innocent:

Modifié par Mi-Chan, 21 septembre 2011 - 04:58 .


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If you're focusing on Dex then dual daggers is obviously the best weapon setup, as Dex increases dagger damage but doesn't increase damage from fullsize weapons.  The best dagger is The Rose's Thorn; good choices for your second dagger include Duncan's Dagger (best choice imo) or a Crow Dagger.

As for talent paths, rogues have a lot of viable options, and often find themselves without enough points to get everything that's worth having.  Here's the ones that are most worthwhile imo:

Momentum--Absolutely essential as it's basically a straight-up 40% DPS increase.  You should get this ASAP, meaning you also need to get its two precursor talents and Expert Combat Training ASAP.

Combat Movement + Coup de Grace--These two will give you more opportunities to backstab, which is something you want to be doing as often as possible.  Coup de Grace in particular synergizes excellently with Dirty Fighting.

Riposte--Useful mainly because it's a stun, it can be used in combination with Dirty Fighting to keep an enemy locked down.  I'd get Coup de Grace first since it makes stunning talents so much more powerful.

Stealth--Combat Stealth is a good self-preservation talent; if you find too many enemies attacking your rogue, you can just stealth and sit tight for a few seconds and you'll drop from all their threat tables.  However, since you said you expect your rogue to be off-tanking anyways (and indeed, a Dex rogue should be able to accumulate an impressive defense score), self-preservation talents may not be very important for you.  At least two ranks in stealth are advisable if you want to use any traps, though, and Master Stealth will help greatly in setting them without being detected (but from what I've gathered most people ignore traps).

Lockpicking talents--Utility of these is self-evident.  If you have another rogue in the party who is focusing on Cunning these can be skipped.  If you need your main char to open locks, though, then keep in mind that you need 30 Cunning + all 4 ranks in this to open every lock in the game.  You'll be able to open the vast majority with only three ranks in this tree, though, so it's not unreasonable to skip the fourth rank and miss a couple things in exchange for an extra talent point somewhere else.

As for specs, they all have their own individual utility.  A rogue who expects to be doing some tanking might want to take Duelist since Dueling mode + Keen Defense does exactly what it sounds like (boosts your defense), but any spec is perfectly viable.  Even if you don't focus on Cunning, by using Cun-boosting gear to pre-buff before you activate Song of Courage, you can get your Cunning into the low 30's and gain about 5 attack, 5 crit chance and 3 damage for the whole party from the ability, so even Bard is a viable choice (though it's obviously much more attractive for a character who invests primarily in Cunning).

Modifié par WJC3688, 21 septembre 2011 - 07:34 .


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Thanks! And the Felon's coat is the Armor I should aim for I presume?

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Absolutely. Shadow of the Empire or Battledress of the Provocateur are good choices until it becomes available.

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Its kinda hard to mess up a Dex Dagger backstab Rogue.
You will find of course as a Rogue your party becomes more important.
Also for some neat options and versatility try Ranger/Assassin.
I have a Dalish Ranger/Assasin/Shadow I enjoy very much.


But heres a build ive not tried yet but is potentialy very powerful.
This is a Cunning based combat focused rogue.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/96/index/7966831

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Kind of hitting a wall at the moment. I'm at the end of the korcari wilds and I'm not having all that much fun yet. I'll see if I can motivate myself to play a little longer to unlock ranger and see how it goes.

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It helps if you working with a theme to get you through the intial stages of the game.

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Going to mess around with coup the grace and see how things go - thanks for the advice

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Mi-Chan wrote...

Going to mess around with coup the grace and see how things go - thanks for the advice


Keep in mind Stuns, and knockdowns from other party members count for activating Coup de Grace.

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Rogues take a while to get going.

That said after level 10 or so they are death machines

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Okay, I got my first spec Duelist and it completely changed the flow of battle. I don't have to pull enemies one-by-one anymore and I feel like I'm actually dishing out damage now.
With my planned setup of 15 str, 30 cun, rest in dex what suggestions do you have to my second spec? :innocent:

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Mi-Chan wrote...

Okay, I got my first spec Duelist and it completely changed the flow of battle. I don't have to pull enemies one-by-one anymore and I feel like I'm actually dishing out damage now.
With my planned setup of 15 str, 30 cun, rest in dex what suggestions do you have to my second spec? :innocent:


Duelist+ Ranger is pretty good.

Assassin and Brad are not the best for Dex build since all of their abilities are based on Cunning. Though even the base song of courage is good.

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so i assume duelist/ranger is good for a dex focus rogue and bard/assassin is best for a cunning focus rogue?
have not try much of duelist or ranger yet tho... still trying to do 2 playthrough for mage to import into awakening.
however, i like the debuff that assassin provide for duelist, just wonder is that a overkill as i have not use duelist before.

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Maybe I'm still clinging to the feel of the warrior, but is feast of the fallen a solid investment if I pick Assassin as my second spec? Or is the bonus marginal at best?

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As a dual dagger rogue, you shouldn't be using very many talents; your very high DPS lies mostly in your extremely fast auto-attacks. So no, a stamina regen ability is not very impactful. That said, by the time you can even get the ability (level 17 at the earliest if assassin is second spec), you very well might not have anything better to do with your talent points.

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Coming to this party a bit late, but why exactly didn't you like the cunning rogue? It does quite a bit more damage than a dex rogue, especially with song of courage from the bard spec. You don't have the same survivability, but I found the survivability of even a cunning rogue to be pretty good, I was off-tanking towards the end of the game because enemies couldn't hit me.