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[Valdrane78]

Captain Crash wrote...

While agree that her actions should be rewarded, that I have no doubt, that post still doesn't explain the logic in receiving a promotion during an ongoing tribunal or trial. Regardless whether its civilian or military. Being awarded a new rank during its process isn't impartial regardless of jurisdiction. In fact it sends out the message that the Alliance supports Shepard and gives a indication of bias, even if it was based on past actions.


However in the simple case of needing to be a higher rank then Kaiden I do concede. It makes no sense for Shepard to not be a higher rank or at least equal. In that sense im sure a promotion could be woven into the story regardless of events.

He wouldn't be rewarded the rank during the trial Crash, it would be given to him by Anderson in the field after the trial while escaping earth.  Most likely after the Normandy arrives and they are chatting before taking off and Anderson staying on earth.  No, of course he wouldn't be given rank during a trial, that is just ridiculous.  However I am unclear how you came to the conclusion that that is what Imeant, maybe I was unclear someplace about when he got the rank.

[KOS-MOS56]

GRRRAWR!! ... I want to experience this so bad!

[nelly21]

Wait, why is everyone so pissy about Kaiden outranking you? Shep was gone for two years and was working for what is technically a civilian organization for the last few months?

Seriously, Shep would be touched by God if he even gets an honorable discharge at this point.

[Captain Crash]

Valdrane78 wrote...

He wouldn't be rewarded the rank during the trial Crash, it would be given to him by Anderson in the field after the trial while escaping earth.  Most likely after the Normandy arrives and they are chatting before taking off and Anderson staying on earth.  No, of course he wouldn't be given rank during a trial, that is just ridiculous.  However I am unclear how you came to the conclusion that that is what Imeant, maybe I was unclear someplace about when he got the rank.

Mainly the fact my previous post was purely about the trial which you offered what I consider unconvincing alternatives and then went back to focus on civilian in command of a military vessel. Thus an outcome of the trial. Regardless it doesnt matter its easy to misconstrue posts sometimes. Additionally its individual perspective.

Dont get me wrong though I think Shepard deserves a promotion. Its just with everything else happening a promotion is a trivial issue in the grand scheme of thing and shouldn't really be on anyones mind when Reapers are invading. Although the Kaidan factor would be a simple enough reason so maybe Im just reading to much into it. Sometimes things don't need a massive story and just happen.

Guess we will see what direction they take in March.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 22 septembre 2011 - 01:10 .

[SandyWB]

I just can't see Bioware changing his/her rank to Captain/Major, seeing as Commander Shepard is who the character is. That's basically the 'name' of the character, and besides, Shepard is almost as often refered to as Commander as he/she is called Shepard in-game. I honestly don't believe Bioware will change things up with Captain/Major.

[Valdrane78]

SandyWB wrote...

I just can't see Bioware changing his/her rank to Captain/Major, seeing as Commander Shepard is who the character is. That's basically the 'name' of the character, and besides, Shepard is almost as often refered to as Commander as he/she is called Shepard in-game. I honestly don't believe Bioware will change things up with Captain/Major.

He has also been called Captain, Commander is just a rank.  And even if Commander has becoem synonomous with the Mass Effect universe it can be changed without breaking either immersion or the players view of the character.  It would also be a nice little touch, one of those small things that I believe needs to be touched upon, even if it isn't critical to the game.

[snfonseka]

Valdrane78 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

If he got promoted he'd be a Staff Commander


Unless you can skip ranks?

Kaidan did......

We don't know that.

[jamesp81]

mango smoothie wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

footballzach50 wrote...

Would it be possible that he is not Military or Navy, since he is in space it could be a new group, correct? Navy = sea
Army = land
????? = space

Space IS Navy.

It has been that way in every sci-fi. The Navy was meerly converted to space. Spaceships replace Seaships. Caskets are put out an airlock, rather then dumped in the sea. All the same traditions, really.

The USS Enterprise was an aircraft carrier long before it was a ship in Star Trek.

Actually this is something in most Scifi shows/movies I have a problem with. Most countries today have it so any military space programs is actually part of the Air Force. In reality any future spaceships would be under Airforce command.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force

It would be non-sensical to make deep space warships under air force command.

Navies already possess the institutional knowledge and mindset to operate a spacecraft, ESPECIALLY the submarine service.  Submarines and spaceships share a lot of similarities.  Both have to operate independently of their home base for an extended period of time.  Both have to operate for that extended period of time in a hostile environment.  Resources are limited in both cases.  Both are built on a pressure hull where being airtight is an operational requirement.

Air forces have none of this institutional expertise.  Furthermore, if you're really concerned that you need air force piloting skills, no need to worry.  Many navies have aircraft carriers and field their own air forces anyway.

[jamesp81]

By the way, Shepard gets promoted because he's freaking Shepard.

[Wrathra]

nelly21 wrote...

Wait, why is everyone so pissy about Kaiden outranking you? Shep was gone for two years and was working for what is technically a civilian organization for the last few months?

Seriously, Shep would be touched by God if he even gets an honorable discharge at this point.

A few people are really put off by this and the Spectre thing. I'm confused by it as well.

As for the promotion, hell, i think Shepard is lucky she hasn't been put in front of a firing squad at this point.   Many of her actions looks really, really bad.

[Wulfram]

Considering Shepard was ordering about an Admiral in the end of ME1, I don't really see how his rank is important.

[Valdrane78]

Wulfram wrote...

Considering Shepard was ordering about an Admiral in the end of ME1, I don't really see how his rank is important.

Not really, Shep was the one in the best place to decide what to do, he had the information and the expertise.  Hackett mearly conceded to Shep's advidce.  Shep didn't give an order he mearly advised Hackett on the best possible solution.

[Cancer Puppet]

Shepard won't be promoted before the end of the game, if at all, for the same reason Master Chief will never be promoted; people associate the rank with the character's name. That's my opinion anyhow.

[KFD11430]

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

i thought shep was navy, not marines

He is an Alliance Marine. If he was Navy he wouldn't really be involved in the ground fighting.

[oberst2]

see the alliace marine force its part off the navy not it on corp, will adapt navy ranks

[Han Shot First]

nelly21 wrote...

Wait, why is everyone so pissy about Kaiden outranking you? Shep was gone for two years and was working for what is technically a civilian organization for the last few months?

Seriously, Shep would be touched by God if he even gets an honorable discharge at this point.

Shep should have been posthumously promoted to Staff Commander. That happens routinely for war heroes that are killed in action. In fact considering Kaidan's promotion to Staff Commander, Bioware should reveal that Shepard was promoted while dead.

He is an Alliance Marine. If he was Navy he wouldn't really be involved in the ground fighting.

He's both a Marine AND in the Navy. The Alliance sort of combines all the various services into a single entity. So in the Mass Effect universe Marines are a ground combat-related occupational field for people serving in the Alliance Navy.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 22 septembre 2011 - 05:26 .

[Cheesy Blue]

 Well...

I guess you can say Shepard...

*puts on shades* 

Is in a major problem.


YEEEEAAAAAAAAHH!

[Guywhoiam]

SandyWB wrote...

I just can't see Bioware changing his/her rank to Captain/Major, seeing as Commander Shepard is who the character is. That's basically the 'name' of the character, and besides, Shepard is almost as often refered to as Commander as he/she is called Shepard in-game. I honestly don't believe Bioware will change things up with Captain/Major.

Even though his rank would be Captain/Major, he could still be called Commander because he is the Commanding Officer.

Modifié par weirdopo, 22 septembre 2011 - 05:32 .

[marshalleck]

Wrathra wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Wait, why is everyone so pissy about Kaiden outranking you? Shep was gone for two years and was working for what is technically a civilian organization for the last few months?

Seriously, Shep would be touched by God if he even gets an honorable discharge at this point.

A few people are really put off by this and the Spectre thing. I'm confused by it as well.

 It's taken as an affront to the player's ego is all I can formulate as a reason for the indignation. Especially considering much of the commentary accompanying the whining is threats to the effect of "well Kaidan better listen to me or I'll put a bullet in his face/push him out an airlock" etc. It's all about the player being the alpha male, and when that's contradicted in the slightest way, violent impulses are provoked.

It's incredibly petty and pathetic, considering this is just a video game. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 22 septembre 2011 - 05:34 .

[Han Shot First]

@ Han Shot First
First off your name I like it and you are most correct, I never liked that change. Anyways, yes Corporal are indeed an enlisted title and not an NCO. I was confused at first as well when I first saw it, because Corporals are usually non commissioned officers. But in the ME world they are just plain ole enlisted folks. It doesn't make any sense either that there are more officer ranks than enlisted ranks either, but every game has a different interpretation of military rank structure.

Cool, thanks!

That is odd that in the ME universe Corporals aren't NCOs, since they are in most militaries around the world. I guess in the Mass Effect universe Corporals are the equivalent of Lance Corporals or Specialists.

[capn233]

Han Shot First wrote...

Shep should have been posthumously promoted to Staff Commander. That happens routinely for war heroes that are killed in action. In fact considering Kaidan's promotion to Staff Commander, Bioware should reveal that Shepard was promoted while dead.

I think they should have made him full Cmdr when they gave him command of a frigate in ME1... that goes to minimum rank required to command a ship.

But I agree that he could have still been promoted posthumously.

He's both a Marine AND in the Navy. The Alliance sort of combines all the various services into a single entity. So in the Mass Effect universe Marines are a ground combat-related occupational field for people serving in the Alliance Navy.

Going back to your point about specialization, it would make more sense if there was indeed specialization as a sailor or marine.  In that case, marines would be trained as riflemen and in infantry tactics, whereas sailors would be trained in ship to ship combat and tactics.  Given that Shepard is somehow both, they apparently don't really specialize, which is why it seems odd to me that they would bother with alternative rank names at all.

Alternatively, Shepard could have been in the equivalent of the NSWC since he was special forces.  The navy does operate special forces on the ground afterall... however that wouldn't explain any references to him being a marine.

[Lunatic LK47]

Going to blame the picture's image being **** lighting from the game, and second of all, the Navy bars are thicker than what's on Shepard's collar. I'm going to say that's just a costume design choice than anything else.

[dreman9999]

Systems Alliance: Military Ranks Edit

The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personal, experienced non-commissioned officers (NCOs), and specially trained officers.

The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and Corporals instead of Servicemen.

In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are:

ENLISTED
■Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
■Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
■Serviceman 1st class/Corporal

NCOs
■Service Chief
■Gunnery Chief
■Operations Chief

OFFICERS
■2nd Lieutenant
■1st Lieutenant
■Staff Lieutenant
■Lieutenant Commander
■Staff Commander
■Captain/Major
■Rear Admiral/General
■Admiral
■Fleet Admiral
........

With that being said... Shepard is in charge of a ship... He would be captain.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 septembre 2011 - 11:14 .