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[LadyofRivendell]

marshalleck wrote...

Wrathra wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Wait, why is everyone so pissy about Kaiden outranking you? Shep was gone for two years and was working for what is technically a civilian organization for the last few months?

Seriously, Shep would be touched by God if he even gets an honorable discharge at this point.

A few people are really put off by this and the Spectre thing. I'm confused by it as well.

 It's taken as an affront to the player's ego is all I can formulate as a reason for the indignation. Especially considering much of the commentary accompanying the whining is threats to the effect of "well Kaidan better listen to me or I'll put a bullet in his face/push him out an airlock" etc. It's all about the player being the alpha male, and when that's contradicted in the slightest way, violent impulses are provoked.

It's incredibly petty and pathetic, considering this is just a video game. 

This is a really funny (and probably, sadly true) way of putting it Does Kaidan really seem all that "Alpha" though? I guess romancing him as a female Shepard showed his softer side, because I don't remember a single time he whined or tried throwing his weight around.


Also, I'm leaning towards "It's just a design".

[Deathspazm]

Isn't Shepard greeted as a Major In ME 1, in the beginning when he/she walks through in the opening scene?

[dreman9999]

Deathspazm wrote...

Isn't Shepard greeted as a Major In ME 1, in the beginning when he/she walks through in the opening scene?

No, Shepard is introed as an XO, executive officer.

[capn233]

He has only been called Commander and Skipper by others in the Alliance. Although after he was given command of the Normandy it would have been fine to address him as captain... at least that is the case in the USN.

He was greeted as Captain by the Quarians. Which in retrospect is odd that he would mention that he never attained the rank of captain if you pick a certain dialogue choice. Perhaps they really don't use the courtesy title of captain for anyone who is the skipper of a boat in the Alliance.

Modifié par capn233, 23 septembre 2011 - 01:30 .

[Deathspazm]

No I meant the very First Cutscene of you walking thru the ship before you get to Joker and Kaidan, as you are walking by Prestly,I thought some one acknowledges you as Major Just Started another Play thru a few days ago in ME1 seems like what I thought I remembered hearing. I could be wrong.When I start another play thru after I guess I will find out

[Sepewrath]

capn233 wrote...

He has only been called Commander and Skipper by others in the Alliance. Although after he was given command of the Normandy it would have been fine to address him as captain... at least that is the case in the USN.

He was greeted as Captain by the Quarians. Which in retrospect is odd that he would mention that he never attained the rank of captain if you pick a certain dialogue choice. Perhaps they really don't use the courtesy title of captain for anyone who is the skipper of a boat in the Alliance.

Shepard says they never officially became a Captain, in the Navy, if a non Captain takes command of a ship, obviously once feet are back on land, their not suddenly a captain, their whatever rank they were. I think that's what they were saying,  they were never actually made a captain even though they commanded a ship. And the SR2 isn't an Alliance ship, so they certainly cant claim captain in the Alliance in ME2.

[didymos1120]

Deathspazm wrote...

No I meant the very First Cutscene of you walking thru the ship before you get to Joker and Kaidan, as you are walking by Prestly,I thought some one acknowledges you as Major Just Started another Play thru a few days ago in ME1 seems like what I thought I remembered hearing. I could be wrong.When I start another play thru after I guess I will find out

No, it's "Commander".

[ElitePinecone]

Actually that's a good point: Shepard's dialogue about never reaching the rank of Captain (said on the Migrant Fleet in ME2) would be evidence towards her/him being in the 'Navy' stream of the Alliance rank structure, rather than the Marines one.

It stands to reason that if s/he was ever promoted to the Captain/Major rank, Shepard would be the navy rank of Captain rather than the Marine rank of Major. The codex says the divide between the two arms of the military is small (and they share a rank progression), but given that Shepard leads only a small ground team and is technically in command of a naval ship, I'd tend to think s/he'd fall on the naval side of the divide rather than the ground one.

[somecthemes]

I'm not totally sure we can draw any arching conclusions based off the video, since there are dozens of equally likely ways Shep could wind up wearing the major's armor. She could've been a actual major prior to being a spectre, been the only suit left in the emergency supply availible when the Reapers hit, she could've stolen it after she knocked out a guard while making her escape attempt with the Reapers showing up and make a very good distraction.
I'm personally hoping my Shep remains a spectre and luckily avoids a bunch a saluting in the game.

[Cypher0020]

I didn't see the bars..but its nice to get some of the dialogue from Ash and Anderson

Vega is a different soldier than Ash? Hmmm... my Femshep in that run will have a blast with those two....

[FlyingWalrus]

I'm ok with Shepard being a Major.

I have a bias for the rank, being a huge Ghost in the Shell fan.

[Tessir Kaerak]

Does this mean Legion will be referring to Shep as "Shepard-Major" or Shepard-Captain"?

[Rykn]

I was under the impression that we were only part of the Alliance Navy till we became a Spectre. Then we were ejected from the Alliance and their chain of command. Shepard never ranked up because technically he stopped being a Commander in the first place. His rank is Spectre, an authority respected by ALL council races. That explains why Shepard is capable of giving Hacket orders at the end of ME 1.

As a human Spectre I imagine your sponsored by the Alliance. They give you equipment, supplies, and a ship and in return you make humanity look good (Or really bad....). I guess that a lot of how the beginning of ME 3 plays out depends if your Spectre status is restored in ME 2. If you haven't restored your status you are reintegrated into Alliance command. Sheps rank didn't change because it's the last rank he held before he left. Of course a promotion by Anderson is still possible.

Just sayin... Spectres make everything complicated.

[Valdrane78]

somecthemes wrote...

I'm not totally sure we can draw any arching conclusions based off the video, since there are dozens of equally likely ways Shep could wind up wearing the major's armor. She could've been a actual major prior to being a spectre, been the only suit left in the emergency supply availible when the Reapers hit, she could've stolen it after she knocked out a guard while making her escape attempt with the Reapers showing up and make a very good distraction.
I'm personally hoping my Shep remains a spectre and luckily avoids a bunch a saluting in the game.

No you can't, which is why I titled it Possible Shepard rank.  It's all conjecture meant to spark debate and keep us more or less satisfied until the release of ME3.  We all have our different perspectives and we enjoy giving voice to them.  I like to think and share with the class, that Shep got reinstated and promoted by Anderson, bringing the game full circle by bringing him back into the Alliance,and I voice that opinion here, it's what this forum is for.

[InfoGuy101]

I did ask Mac Walters about it yesterday and I think there might be something to speculate about lol. 



InfoGuy101
@macwalterslives Does Commander Shepard get promoted in ME3 within the Alliance to say maybe Captain? #SpillTheBeans


Mac Walters
@InfoGuy101 #SpillTheBeans Sorry, for now... #BeansStayInCan on that one.

[CMDR Locke]

Zakatak757 wrote...

footballzach50 wrote...

Would it be possible that he is not Military or Navy, since he is in space it could be a new group, correct? Navy = sea
Army = land
????? = space

Space IS Navy.

It has been that way in every sci-fi. The Navy was meerly converted to space. Spaceships replace Seaships. Caskets are put out an airlock, rather then dumped in the sea. All the same traditions, really.

The USS Enterprise was an aircraft carrier long before it was a ship in Star Trek.

In Stargate it's Airforce.  I think that is the only sci-fi show in which the Navy is NOT in charge of the Space Fleet.  They also have Marine Units but no Army/Navy units.

[snfonseka]

In above picture Anderson (Captain) has three bars. So can we predict if Shepard is a Captain/ Major he should have three bars, not two?

[didymos1120]

snfonseka wrote...

In above picture Anderson (Captain) has three bars. So can we predict if Shepard is a Captain/ Major he should have three bars, not two?

They haven't been that consistent with rank insiginia, so who knows. For instance, Rear Admiral Mikhailovich also has three bars, while Admiral Kahoku has just one.

[SandTrout]

snfonseka wrote...



In above picture Anderson (Captain) has three bars. So can we predict if Shepard is a Captain/ Major he should have three bars, not two?

What he said.

[Jayce]

Benchpress610 wrote...

Shepard is Alliance Navy. Most modern Navies have differ rank designations than the rest of the armed forces (army, Marines, Air force)
Shepard is a lieutenant commander which is the same rank as a captain in the army. If he was to get promoted he would be a Commander, equivalent to a Major in the army
 
Lieutenant Commander insignia :

Commander insignia:



 

The Alliance doesn't use real worlds naval ranks tabs, though.  In ME1, one bar is a Lieutenant, two bars is a Commander, three bars is a Captain, four bars an Admiral.

They haven't been that consistent with rank insiginia, so who knows. For instance, Rear Admiral Mikhailovich also has three bars, while Admiral Kahoku has just one.

Cause they used recycled textures from Anderson and Pressley.

Modifié par Jayce F, 23 septembre 2011 - 06:45 .

[didymos1120]

nvm

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 septembre 2011 - 06:54 .

[arne1234]

Don't you have to be a admiral to lead a international force (in reality)?

In the game universe those in command of fleets also have the rank of admiral (exp hackett,quarian admirality board) for the military or council member (for civilians).

So I'm saying it will be admiral

[capn233]

Sepewrath wrote...

Shepard says they never officially became a Captain, in the Navy, if a non Captain takes command of a ship, obviously once feet are back on land, their not suddenly a captain, their whatever rank they were. I think that's what they were saying,  they were never actually made a captain even though they commanded a ship. And the SR2 isn't an Alliance ship, so they certainly cant claim captain in the Alliance in ME2.

To be honest, I don't think that makes sense.

In broad nautical terms, if you are in command of a boat, you are the captain.  The Quarians address him as captain because he is in fact the captain of the Normandy... even if it is a ship owned by a paramilitary organization and not an actual military he is still a captain (or skipper informally).

If the captain of a ship goes onto a dock, he doesn't lose his title just because he is on land.  The point I was getting at is that Shepard oddly doesn't seem to put it together that they are calling him captain because he is the skipper of SR2... which is a common courtesy title.  That is why I commented that perhaps they don't actually use that courtesy in the Alliance.  Or Shepard was just talking to hear his head rattle.

Modifié par capn233, 23 septembre 2011 - 07:59 .

[SandTrout]

arne1234 wrote...

Don't you have to be a admiral to lead a international force (in reality)?

No. Multi-national forces can be led by nearly any officer rank, depending on the arrangement between the nations in question and the size of the force involved. The arangements will typically be made by high-level, officers, though, unless the unit is ad-hoc (meaning s*** hit the fan and allied survivors are working as a coheasive unit), in which case they will generally deffer to the most senior/ranking officer /non-com.

In the game universe those in command of fleets also have the rank of admiral (exp hackett,quarian admirality board) for the military or council member (for civilians).

So I'm saying it will be admiral

We don't know how much direct command Shepard will have over the fleets. His skills and experience really aren't suited to commanding a huge space-armada, like Hackett.

Shepard is special forces, which means his specialty is organizing and training local militia assets toward meaningful goals and small-scale strike opperations. He is not likely to be in the same role as Eisenhower in WW2 (Supreme Allied Commander).

[arne1234]

SandTrout wrote...

arne1234 wrote...

Don't you have to be a admiral to lead a international force (in reality)?

No. Multi-national forces can be led by nearly any officer rank, depending on the arrangement between the nations in question and the size of the force involved. The arangements will typically be made by high-level, officers, though, unless the unit is ad-hoc (meaning s*** hit the fan and allied survivors are working as a coheasive unit), in which case they will generally deffer to the most senior/ranking officer /non-com.

In the game universe those in command of fleets also have the rank of admiral (exp hackett,quarian admirality board) for the military or council member (for civilians).

So I'm saying it will be admiral

We don't know how much direct command Shepard will have over the fleets. His skills and experience really aren't suited to commanding a huge space-armada, like Hackett.

Shepard is special forces, which means his specialty is organizing and training local militia assets toward meaningful goals and small-scale strike opperations. He is not likely to be in the same role as Eisenhower in WW2 (Supreme Allied Commander).

Well I have little reason to doubt you and I'm sure when things go really bad everybody yust does what he's trainend for receiving commands from everybody and nobody.
But the standard is, that it should be a admiral see wikipedia http://en.wikipedia....ki/Naval_fleet . Besides the virmire survivor has reach spectre status and Shepard has to top that.

Modifié par arne1234, 23 septembre 2011 - 08:51 .