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[atheelogos]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

I did ask Mac Walters about it yesterday and I think there might be something to speculate about lol. 



InfoGuy101
@macwalterslives Does Commander Shepard get promoted in ME3 within the Alliance to say maybe Captain? #SpillTheBeans


Mac Walters
@InfoGuy101 #SpillTheBeans Sorry, for now... #BeansStayInCan on that one.

No/cant answer means yes;) Shep gets promoted in ME3

[atheelogos]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

I'm ok with Shepard being a Major.

I have a bias for the rank, being a huge Ghost in the Shell fan.

Your not the only one  lol

[Valdrane78]

Jayce F wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

Shepard is Alliance Navy. Most modern Navies have differ rank designations than the rest of the armed forces (army, Marines, Air force)
Shepard is a lieutenant commander which is the same rank as a captain in the army. If he was to get promoted he would be a Commander, equivalent to a Major in the army
 
Lieutenant Commander insignia :

Commander insignia:



 

The Alliance doesn't use real worlds naval ranks tabs, though.  In ME1, one bar is a Lieutenant, two bars is a Commander, three bars is a Captain, four bars an Admiral.

They haven't been that consistent with rank insiginia, so who knows. For instance, Rear Admiral Mikhailovich also has three bars, while Admiral Kahoku has just one.

Cause they used recycled textures from Anderson and Pressley.

Except inbetween Captain/Major and Admiral is Rear Admiral/General, so your arguement is flawed.  You call it recycled textures, I call it design oversight.  I am basing my assumptions on the ME3 video with Anderson having 4 bars, if this assumption is correct then.............

Fleet Admiral, 5 bars
Admiral, 4 bars
Rear Admiral/General, 3 bars
Captain/Major, 2 bars
Staff Commander, 1 bar

then you would have the junior officers and their chevrons would be different

Lieutenant Commander
Staff Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant

I have no idea what those chevrons look like as I have never seen any.

[Graceyn]

atheelogos wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

I'm ok with Shepard being a Major.

I have a bias for the rank, being a huge Ghost in the Shell fan.

Your not the only one  lol

Indeed .  Major Kusanagi is my hero.  I'm okay with being a Major.

[didymos1120]

Valdrane78 wrote...

Lieutenant Commander
Staff Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant

I have no idea what those chevrons look like as I have never seen any.

Sure, you have: in the ME2 opening.  The ones shown have....one bar.  Take your best guess what rank they are. Unless you think the Normandy SR-1 had at least three or four Staff Commanders on board.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 septembre 2011 - 03:06 .

[didymos1120]

Fibonacci wrote...

The ranking structure could be different for the Alliance military ....

Yes, it is, as has been noted numerous time in this thread.  In fact, the post you were "correcting" includes the ranks as taken from the Codex.

[Jayce]

Valdrane78 wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

Shepard is Alliance Navy. Most modern Navies have differ rank designations than the rest of the armed forces (army, Marines, Air force)
Shepard is a lieutenant commander which is the same rank as a captain in the army. If he was to get promoted he would be a Commander, equivalent to a Major in the army
 
Lieutenant Commander insignia :

Commander insignia:



 

The Alliance doesn't use real worlds naval ranks tabs, though.  In ME1, one bar is a Lieutenant, two bars is a Commander, three bars is a Captain, four bars an Admiral.

They haven't been that consistent with rank insiginia, so who knows. For instance, Rear Admiral Mikhailovich also has three bars, while Admiral Kahoku has just one.

Cause they used recycled textures from Anderson and Pressley.

Except inbetween Captain/Major and Admiral is Rear Admiral/General, so your arguement is flawed.  You call it recycled textures, I call it design oversight.  I am basing my assumptions on the ME3 video with Anderson having 4 bars, if this assumption is correct then.............

But that's the problem, it's an assumption. The ME games have rarely bothered distinguishing between the seniority of admirals, wether they be Rear, Vice or Full admirals. Only Kahoku gets called a Rear Admiral and he's called plain old "Admiral" most of the time, even then.

The only official rank epaulettes we have to go on are; Captain Anderson in ME (three bars), Admiral Hackett in ME2 (4 Bars) Lt.s Pressely and Adams in ME (2 bars) and (AFAWK) Commander Shepard in ME3 (2 bars)

[didymos1120]

Jayce F wrote...
Only Kahoku gets called a Rear Admiral and he's called plain old "Admiral" most of the time, even then.

No, that was Mikhailovich. 

[Gabey5]

meh.. rank is irrelevant when the galaxy is burning as long as we have the normandy we will be fine

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Valdrane78 wrote...

Anwarddyn wrote...

Captain or Major (probably Major since Shep is a Marine).

I don't get this... why do you think a Marine could not be a Captain?

Alliance Navy and Alliance Marines have a different rank structure, since Shep is a Marine, he would be a major, which is the same rank as a captain.

Assuming somebody hasn't already straightened this out. In practicaly all CO ranks Major outranks Captain. As far as Navy ranks go (there are differences from Army/Marines) the only equivalent to a Major in the Navy would be a Commodore which is a semi antiquated rank that is seldom used in most Navies. 

In the MEU, basic modern era CO ranks from Marines/Navy are combined since both branches are mixed together.

[Jayce]

People seriously need to learn the difference between a Naval Captain and an Army/Marine Captain.

[ElitePinecone]

Jayce F wrote...

People seriously need to learn the difference between a Naval Captain and an Army/Marine Captain.

There's no distinction in Alliance ranks - navy and marines are part of the same service and the same command structure. There's no Marine rank of Captain, for starters. 'Captain' is a naval rank, and the Marine equivalent is Major

Valdrane78 wrote...

ENLISTED

• Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
• Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
• Serviceman 1st class/Corporal

NCOs

• Service Chief
• Gunnery Chief
• Operations Chief

OFFICERS

• 2nd Lieutenant
• 1st Lieutenant
• Staff Lieutenant
• Lieutenant Commander
• Staff Commander
• Captain/Major
• Rear Admiral/General
• Admiral
• Fleet Admiral

[Bluko]

Well if you remember the Alliance uniforms from ME1and if you overlook the mistakes with Admiral Kohaku in ME1... and ME2 with Admiral Anderson.

(Yay it's like Star Wars: ROTJ all over again!)
 

You'll notice Navy Captain Anderson has three bars for a rank insignia.



A Navy Captain is the equivalent of an Army Colonel for those unaware and confused by Mass Effect's mostly Navy style ranks.


A Navy Lieutenant is the equivalent of an Army Captain.



However Mass is a bit goofy as an Alliance Navy Captain is equivalent of an Alliance Marine Major. Obviously Mass Effect does not share a ranking system exactly like the U.S. and supposedly the insignias are more based on the Canadian Navy. However assuming Pressly, Hackett, and other officers have correct uniforms:

Navigator Pressly (Staff Lieutenant?)


Staff Commander Alenko


Rear Admiral Mikhailovich


Admiral Hackett



So considering it is slightly based off the Canadian Navy insignias Mass Effect ranks are likely (Don't take me as Gospel on this) as follows:




So maybe Shepard could be Staff Commander, but considering they're on trial Shepard is most likely still a Lt. Commander.

[shep82]

Bluko wrote...

Well if you remember the Alliance uniforms from ME1and if you overlook the mistakes with Admiral Kohaku in ME1... and ME2 with Admiral Anderson.

(Yay it's like Star Wars: ROTJ all over again!)
 

You'll notice Navy Captain Anderson has three bars for a rank insignia.



A Navy Captain is the equivalent of an Army Colonel for those unaware and confused by Mass Effect's mostly Navy style ranks.


A Navy Lieutenant is the equivalent of an Army Captain.



However Mass is a bit goofy as an Alliance Navy Captain is equivalent of an Alliance Marine Major. Obviously Mass Effect does not share a ranking system exactly like the U.S. and supposedly the insignias are more based on the Canadian Navy. However assuming Pressly, Hackett, and other officers have correct uniforms:

Navigator Pressly (Staff Lieutenant?)


Staff Commander Alenko


Rear Admiral Mikhailovich


Admiral Hackett



So considering it is slightly based off the Canadian Navy insignias Mass Effect ranks are likely (Don't take me as Gospel on this) as follows:




So maybe Shepard could be Staff Commander, but considering they're on trial Shepard is most likely still a Lt. Commander.

what mistakes? Just curious. Also how does ROTJ have mistakes like that?

[Valdrane78]

@ Bluko....Ranks won't share chevrons, each rank would have a different and distinct insignia within their own branch. So in the ME universe, a Captain and a Rear Admiral wont share 3 stripes. I figure it is a design oversight on the part of Bioware, they really didn't think it through all that well. I still believe that Shep has 2 bars and is a Major, but we will know for sure when ME3 drops.

[Han Shot First]

There's no Marine rank of Captain, for starters. 'Captain' is a naval rank, and the Marine equivalent is Major

In the real world or in the ME universe?

In the real world a Captain in the Army or Marines is an O-3. The equivalent Navy rank is a Lieutenant. (O-3)
A Major in the US Army or Marines would be the equivalent of a Lt Commander in the Navy. (O-4)
A Captain in the US Navy would be the equivalent of a Colonel in the US Army or Marines. (O-6)

While Ashely claims to be a marine,  "Commander" is a naval rank. 
But we also have to consider, the above is USA Marine ranks as of today.  The ranking structure could be different for the Alliance military ....

The Alliance sort of combines all the various military services together into a single entity. Shepard is a Marine, but that has a slightly different meaning in the Mass Effect universe than it does in the real world. In the Mass Effect universe Marines appear to be people in the Alliance Navy that have occupational specialities geared towards an amphibious or ground combat role. That is why Shepard has a naval rank and is referred to as both a Marine and a member of the Alliance Navy both in game & in marketing.
 
Some of the ranks for Marines in the Mass Effect universe do appear to be different than the equivalent rank for shipboard personnel, but they are still part of the same service. It's sort of like how in the US Marines you have First Sergeants and Master Sergeants (both are E-8) or Sergeants Major or Master Gunnery Sergeants. (E-9) The different rank names (First Sergeant & Master Sergeant for example) are just a distinction on whether that Marine has decided to focus more on the technical (Master Sergeant, Master Gunnery Sergeant) or personnel. (First Sergeant, Sergeant Major)

Modifié par Han Shot First, 24 septembre 2011 - 06:32 .

[Jayce]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

People seriously need to learn the difference between a Naval Captain and an Army/Marine Captain.

There's no distinction in Alliance ranks - navy and marines are part of the same service and the same command structure. There's no Marine rank of Captain, for starters. 'Captain' is a naval rank, and the Marine equivalent is Major

I know that. You did notice several people on this thread seem to think a real world Army Captain is the same rank as a Navy Captain, right?

[naledgeborn]

Distinction between SAN Captains and Majors is that the former serves on a ship while the latter serves planetside (Earth, Colonies). Since St. Commander (posthumous promotion) Shepard's last active duty station (before KIA) was on the SSV Normandy SR-1, then it stands to reason that if s/he were to be promoted s/he would indeed be a Captain.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 24 septembre 2011 - 07:18 .

[Valdrane78]

Jayce F wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

People seriously need to learn the difference between a Naval Captain and an Army/Marine Captain.

There's no distinction in Alliance ranks - navy and marines are part of the same service and the same command structure. There's no Marine rank of Captain, for starters. 'Captain' is a naval rank, and the Marine equivalent is Major

I know that. You did notice several people on this thread seem to think a real world Army Captain is the same rank as a Navy Captain, right?

Based upon what I have seen with Alliance ranks, I believe i thas no real world application aside from NonNCO's, NCO's and Officers.  The structure is different and there are much fewer ranks.  All that aside, there are two division sof the Alliance military, the Navy and the Marines.  Even though Marines m,ay be apart of the Navy they have a much different mandate/mission than the Navy.  Ranks for each branch are different with NonNCO's and several officers.

Now back on topic.  After further review of the video, my own justifications and sometimes compeling counter arguements.  I am still of th mind that Shep has reached the rank of Captain/Major.  He will indeed be getting a promotion of some kind based of the tweet that was posted earlier.

[Valdrane78]

Bump, because it is damn cool information that may or may not be true.

[Valdrane78]

I necro'd this post for one simple reason, during the leaked ME3 beta on XBL (which I missed because i was too busy playing Borderlands) Admiral Anderson refers to Alienko as a Major, thus confirming my theory that Marines (land based soldiers) and the Alliance Fleet have somewhat separate ranks.

Proof.... at 10:28

Still awaiting further confirmation on Shep's rank in the game, no new info so far.

Modifié par Valdrane78, 06 novembre 2011 - 01:24 .

[Mhgasa]

actually in the leaked beta video, anderson refers to sheppard as "commander" when he reinstates him, by throwing him his dog tags.