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[Raganheart]

I would like to know what you all think about what squadmates Morinth would be into as friendship or more than friendship on the Normandy

[D.Kain]

Raganheart wrote...

I would like to know what you all think about what squadmates Morinth would be into as friendship or more than friendship on the Normandy

Those that want to be friends with her I suppose. I don't think that there are a lot. 
Everybody seem too selfish to be her friend.

Modifié par D.Kain, 26 septembre 2011 - 05:13 .

[Xilizhra]

Raganheart wrote...

I would like to know what you all think about what squadmates Morinth would be into as friendship or more than friendship on the Normandy

Well, it'd be difficult, as she has to keep her true nature hidden...

[Raganheart]

well since she likes artistic people I think she would be into jack and kasumi. Jack because her tattoos and strong attitude. Kasumi likes to collect things(trophies like Morinth). Maybe she would get a kick out of Mordin with his fast speech and all. I can see her telling him to slow down, relax, and pop a pill or two lol

[shepskisaac]

Just picked Morinth again. Gotta love that psychotic ho!

[Raganheart]

IsaacShep wrote...

Just picked Morinth again. Gotta love that psychotic ho!

Yes, finally Morinth fans have come! She is pretty awesome.

[D.Kain]

Raganheart wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Just picked Morinth again. Gotta love that psychotic ho!

Yes, finally Morinth fans have come! She is pretty awesome.

Lol. BTw you ca find some pictures on Deviant I'm sure. 

[Raganheart]

i´m a noob at posting pics. how do you post them on here?

[D.Kain]

let's see

Modifié par D.Kain, 26 septembre 2011 - 05:37 .

[D.Kain]

Modifié par D.Kain, 26 septembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[Asenza]

@ Dr. Kain,

She IS that one dimensional. Show me Morinth, suffering under the stigma of being an outcast, when most Asari don't even believe she exists. Show me Morinth, hating other asari, or jealous that they're normal and she's not. Show me that she WANTS to be different than she is, or that she wishes she was normal. A line of dialogue. A picture. Hell, a fleeting emotion across her face. I'd accept anything nearly at this point.

But there's nothing to show. Because she doesn't want to change. Because she likes violence, likes killing. She's one-dimensional because there's nothing else to her.

[Xilizhra]

Asenza wrote...

@ Dr. Kain,

She IS that one dimensional. Show me Morinth, suffering under the stigma of being an outcast, when most Asari don't even believe she exists. Show me Morinth, hating other asari, or jealous that they're normal and she's not. Show me that she WANTS to be different than she is, or that she wishes she was normal. A line of dialogue. A picture. Hell, a fleeting emotion across her face. I'd accept anything nearly at this point.

But there's nothing to show. Because she doesn't want to change. Because she likes violence, likes killing. She's one-dimensional because there's nothing else to her.

Slight difference: she's presented that one-dimensionally, but I find it very hard that she actually is. So we kinda have to make up either assumptions that carry over the fact that she is, or invent theories explaining things in more depth, because her presentation was so horrible. Although, do you remember her "I get lonely sometimes. I can never truly feel the love of another" line?

[D.Kain]

Asenza wrote...

@ Dr. Kain,

She IS that one dimensional. Show me Morinth, suffering under the stigma of being an outcast, when most Asari don't even believe she exists. Show me Morinth, hating other asari, or jealous that they're normal and she's not. Show me that she WANTS to be different than she is, or that she wishes she was normal. A line of dialogue. A picture. Hell, a fleeting emotion across her face. I'd accept anything nearly at this point.

But there's nothing to show. Because she doesn't want to change. Because she likes violence, likes killing. She's one-dimensional because there's nothing else to her.

Damn you don't understand it's the outcome. She understands that she can't be normal but she is pissed that hateful for asari to not accept her. ( I am the genetic destiny of the asari, yet they are not ready to reveal it ) She believes that she is special, that maybe something useful could be made out of her existance, that maybe her abileties are wider and that maybe it can be controlled and make mating better experience or something. But asari don't want to help her, they just want to lock her up ot kill her. And when she sees that they will never exept her she goes - ( fine I will be the killer you think I am, I will survive your hunts, I will kill people to become stronger, I will live on my own and I will be a monster because you couldn't exept me.) 

[Asenza]

Xilizhra wrote...

Asenza wrote...

@ Dr. Kain,

She IS that one dimensional. Show me Morinth, suffering under the stigma of being an outcast, when most Asari don't even believe she exists. Show me Morinth, hating other asari, or jealous that they're normal and she's not. Show me that she WANTS to be different than she is, or that she wishes she was normal. A line of dialogue. A picture. Hell, a fleeting emotion across her face. I'd accept anything nearly at this point.

But there's nothing to show. Because she doesn't want to change. Because she likes violence, likes killing. She's one-dimensional because there's nothing else to her.

Slight difference: she's presented that one-dimensionally, but I find it very hard that she actually is. So we kinda have to make up either assumptions that carry over the fact that she is, or invent theories explaining things in more depth, because her presentation was so horrible. Although, do you remember her "I get lonely sometimes. I can never truly feel the love of another" line?

I don't remember her saying that. As you might have guess, I don't keep her. Where does she say that? That line is exactly what I've been begging to hear.

And yet...

It all goes back to Morinth being evil and selfish. You can love someone without having sex with them. Or mind-melding, in the case of Asari. Sure, you miss out on a bit, but the amount of time one spends in bed with another is far outweighed by the amount of time spent NOT in bed with them. Love=more than just physical intimacy. Again, its sad, but not mutually exclusive.

The mountain of bodies Morinth left behind over four centuries isn't excused by her feeling lonely. She's not righting a social wrong, or standing up for independence. She just likes murder. It makes her feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Everything else, being unable to feel the love of another, being the dirty, genetic destiny of the asari, everything else is Morinth's justification.

And if you're accepting a mass murderer's twisted, weak or simply incorrect justifications for her being the way that she is...

[Arokel]

I've never understod the 'genetic destiny of the Asari" line. Maybe you Morinth fans can help.

Is she delusional? Because I believe that ardat-yakshi (spelling?) are sterile.

[thatguy212]

Arokel wrote...

I've never understod the 'genetic destiny of the Asari" line. Maybe you Morinth fans can help.

Is she delusional? Because I believe that ardat-yakshi (spelling?) are sterile.

she is most likely delusional, although since not a lot is said about ardat-yakshis there could be something she knows that she's not tell anyone but its most likely she just has a big ego

[D.Kain]

Arokel wrote...

I've never understod the 'genetic destiny of the Asari" line. Maybe you Morinth fans can help.

Is she delusional? Because I believe that ardat-yakshi (spelling?) are sterile.

Maybe Arday-Yakshi are breed by Asari on porpuse to try to evlolve their species? And they are lab experiments? :happy:

[Xilizhra]

I don't remember her saying that. As you might have guess, I don't keep her. Where does she say that? That line is exactly what I've been begging to hear.

It's one of the things she says aboard ship.

It all goes back to Morinth being evil and selfish. You can love someone without having sex with them. Or mind-melding, in the case of Asari. Sure, you miss out on a bit, but the amount of time one spends in bed with another is far outweighed by the amount of time spent NOT in bed with them. Love=more than just physical intimacy. Again, its sad, but not mutually exclusive.

She's an asari. They're naturally adapted to meld relatively frequently even if it's not a full Union, and it seems she can't even do that. It's like being in love with someone you only know over the Internet.

The mountain of bodies Morinth left behind over four centuries isn't excused by her feeling lonely. She's not righting a social wrong, or standing up for independence. She just likes murder. It makes her feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Everything else, being unable to feel the love of another, being the dirty, genetic destiny of the asari, everything else is Morinth's justification.

I think they're separate. I also think she'd be willing to leave the killing behind if she could have the condition removed.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 26 septembre 2011 - 07:56 .

[Xeranx]

Asenza wrote...

1) "When an Ardat-Yakshi is diagnosed.... Two chose seclusion. The third ran." I don't remember the exact wording, but Samara states this, when telling Shepard about Morinth... just before the loyalty mission, I believe. Morinth's guilt in the first murder can be surmised given what she goes on to do after the fact. If someone is a sociopath and all the pets in the neighborhood dissapear, and years later the sociopath has evolved into a full-fledged mass-murder, it's not supposition to connect the dots.

3) True enough, not all Ardat-Yakshi are afflicted to the same degree as Morinth. But when someone like Morinth comes around... they are too much of a risk to let free, and there aren't so many of them that containment isn't possible. Stop bringing a non-existent cure into this, it does not exist yet for whatever reason, and so the asari can only do what they can in the present with the Ardat-Yakshi, and the only real solution is isolation.

From what we've seen of Morinth's apartment, however, and from what words we have heard come from her mouth, it isn't difficult to believe that of her. The conversation in the VIP room and the conversation and set pieces of Morinth's apartment is called set-up and indirect characterization. If Morinth talked about the time she killed that cute artist, or the time she enslaved an entire village, that'll kinda scare off her prey. There is no chance for her to corroborate that information, yes, but since we see her character and have no reason to disbelieve Samara, you have to accept it as fact.

Calling Samara a liar, or her information dodgy, just because Morinth didn't admit to it is you avoiding the facts. Morinth didn't admit to killing Nef, are you going to say that because Morinth didn't explicitly state that she did it, that she had nothing to do with it? Despite Nef's diary, Morinth's note in Nef's room, Nef's mother, Diana's information, Aria's information....

1) Samara says different things concerning the Ardat Yakshi which can lead to a number of different conclusions:  
   a) when an Asari is diagnosed with the condition they are given the choice of death or seclusion.
    if they run it means that they're addiction is present
   c) the condition only manifests at maturity

From this we can say logically say that in order for the addiction to take hold it must be triggered first.  Any addiction is like that.  If heroin is never introduced to a person's system then there's no way the addiction for heroin can take hold.  It's absolutely impossible.  

A diagnosis does not have to have been presented to Morinth if Samara was told when Morinth was a child.  Had Samara never told Morinth then Morinth would never have known.  One could also reasonably believe that Samara would have put Morinth in seclusion along with her sisters.  If that wasn't done you have to question why it was allowed and that pushes the idea of Morinth being in the dark about her condition in that direction.  

Just for an example, I remember a story but don't know if it was true or not.  A boy was born with AIDS.  The boy was given his medication and told that they were vitamins.  That child lived and experienced life like any normal healthy kid until he went off his medication and was severely chastised for it (iirc).  He was later told that he had AIDS and he couldn't do the things most others could.

I brought up the idea of postpartum depression before and can fully imagine Samara becoming extremely reserved towards Morinth without telling her what was up.

So just because Morinth ran doesn't mean she intended to kill others.  Everything suggests that Morinth was pursued after someone died during mating.  That suggests that if Morinth had not mated with anyone she would have been in the dark, still, about her condition.

3) We don't know the parameters regarding how she was approached or whether Morinth knew of her condition before-hand.  If she didn't know about her condition the idea of seclusion or death would be traumatic because in her mind she did nothing wrong.  She was behaving like anyone else which happened to result in someone's death.  She would feel victimized in that case and rightly so.  There's nothing that demonstrates that anything of her condition was explained to her.  She doesn't even talk to Shepard about what an Ardat Yakshi is or what it's like being that way.  

All the conversation pieces in Morinth's apartment except the troll(?) identify Samara as well.  That's three out of four pieces.  And the troll has her state that she was pursued by a suitor and not that she saught him out.  Considering how they're on opposite sides they seem to reflect each other incredibly.

Modifié par Xeranx, 26 septembre 2011 - 07:26 .

[Tric]

The Ardat-Yakshi... disorder? Is only detectable after the asari is no longer a child, has matured and as such the condition can no longer be corrected. If I remember correctly.

Both would have only found out when Morith was already an adult and Samara couldn't, and very probably shouldn't, keep this information from Morith.

Yap, wikipedia also says that. Link to the Mass Effect wiki page on the Ardat-Yakshi

*edited because I kept writtin Morith rather than Morinth.

Modifié par SomethingSome, 26 septembre 2011 - 07:58 .

[NICKjnp]

http://social.bioware.com/group/1540/

[Raganheart]

Morinth for Spectre, under extreme supervision of Shepard....... =)

[Xilizhra]

The question being, would she allow Shepard to become one...

[PauseforEffect]

Raganheart wrote...

[/quote]

If you want to convict Morinth then you might as well convict others. Like Kasumi, Thane, Zaeed, Garrus, and even Shepard.

Kasumi is a thief and if she is in danger of getting caught she will kill to esape. Zaeed is a mercenary enough said. Garrus and Thane are one alike. Who is Garrus to start taking out mercenaries without using the law. Yes he says C-Sec wasn´t helping in the matter, but there is always a way to get justice served in the right manner. Thane is a gun for hire. He is an assassin for a Hanar. He does kill people who are not so good, but he still kills them. Why not be a spy, collect evidence, and submit it to C-Sec or the council for someone like Nassana? Then we arrive to Shepard. If you decide to be a complete renegade you kill people in cold blood. Also, that affects other characters like Mordin. Maelon´s research was not good at all, but he should be sent to prison or spared however you see it, but you do have the option to let Mordin kill Maelon. What does that make Mordin? a murderer, yes. Everyone has their bad past. I think everyone deserves a second chance to heal and become a better person. I think that Morinth can do this under Shepard. As she states she is intrigued by Shepard´s character and has never met anyone like him. Have you ever been going through a rough patch in relationships and every single one is bad for you or turns out bad until you find that person that turns it all around? Well, I think this is her new start. 
[/quote]

Every teammate you just named has a justifiable reason for why they killed. They are not by nature inclined to kill a random person who poses no threat to them.
Morinth is the only one who has killed a person that has done nothing wrong in the player's eyes.
She will not change because of Shepard. She wants to kill Shepard and it has been proven in the game when she's given the chance. Morinth does not believe in changing herself; she believes in grabbing whatever pleasures are offered.
It is hard to want to be friends with someone who wants to kill you for a drug high.