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[D.Kain]

Listen to a woman, she knows how a woman's mind would work. =)

[Asenza]

D.Kain wrote...

Asenza wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

I'm a Morinth Fan - who believes she's loyal to shep. She is the most volatile(do you know what that means) of all the characters/crewmates yet she conforms - for who? for shep

She loves killing,dark,places,(bad guys), shep doesn't fit the bill completely. he has power. He's not really her type.

Volatile- unpredictable. She doesn't conform, and she doesn't like Shepard, she likes what Shepard's quest can give her in the way of entertainment. The suicide mission is an extreme vacation for her.

Short answer? No.

Prove otherwise. Morinth herself stated the things she enjoyed, darkness, killing, danger. Shepard's suicide mission: killing, darkness, danger. The ultimate vacation for someone like her.

[RagnarsGirl]

1136342t54 wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

I'm a Morinth Fan - who believes she's loyal to shep. She is the most volatile(do you know what that means) of all the characters/crewmates yet she conforms - for who? for shep

She does it because she sees Shepard as basically the best person she can meld with in the Galaxy and he saved her life. Probably more because of the former. Seriously you are claiming she doesn't want to meld with Shepard but what is the other reasons she stays with Shepard? Sure Shep saved her life but thats it. Morinth has no real empathy for anyone nor care for anyone else. Hell even D.Kain admitted that in a earlier argument.

She loves killing,dark,places,(bad guys), shep doesn't fit the bill completely. he has power. He's not really her type.

It depends on the type of shepard. If he didn't fit the bill she wouldn't want to meld with him.

That's true - but she loves a SPECIFIC band and a SPECIFIC artist - she's very picky, he just isn't her ideal match. She wants to join but not desperately.  

[D.Kain]

Asenza wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Asenza wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

I'm a Morinth Fan - who believes she's loyal to shep. She is the most volatile(do you know what that means) of all the characters/crewmates yet she conforms - for who? for shep

She loves killing,dark,places,(bad guys), shep doesn't fit the bill completely. he has power. He's not really her type.

Volatile- unpredictable. She doesn't conform, and she doesn't like Shepard, she likes what Shepard's quest can give her in the way of entertainment. The suicide mission is an extreme vacation for her.

Short answer? No.

Prove otherwise. Morinth herself stated the things she enjoyed, darkness, killing, danger. Shepard's suicide mission: killing, darkness, danger. The ultimate vacation for someone like her.

Go look in the 100 page thread, I'm sure you will find all the answers you are looking for. 

But seriously, she has to get along with other squadmates and mask her presence, it's not good at all.

Modifié par D.Kain, 04 octobre 2011 - 02:56 .

[1136342t54_]

RagnarsGirl wrote...
Have you played with Morinth?
Between the two Samara and Morinth Samara fits the bill of remorseless psychopathic killer.

She INVENTED a code for remorseless killing - the Justicars view of justice- please its just silly
Samara hunts her own daughter - can you say crazy much. Samara had her reasons but Morinth wasborn that way.

Justicars or regular Asari likely thousands of years before Samara became a justicar created the code. You rarely talked to Samara did you? The code tells them to stop injustice. The only times Samara's code could be considered wrong was when she was facingMorinth. To Asari Ardat Yakshi are incredibly dangerous individuals who if start killing people must die.  Justicars are likely ordered to pursue them at any cost but due to the code they have to ignore specific things.  Spectres like Justicars kill innocents to accomplish the mission. Samara's main mission was to stop Ardat Yakshi killing those cops before she loses the information would likely be the same thing a Spectre would do. The only difference is that Spectres operate under council authority so they can go anywhere.

Also Samara wanted to hunt her daughter because that same daughter started killing hundreds of innocent people.

[PauseforEffect]

RagnarsGirl wrote...

Asenza wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

I'm a Morinth Fan - who believes she's loyal to shep. She is the most volatile(do you know what that means) of all the characters/crewmates yet she conforms - for who? for shep

She loves killing,dark,places,(bad guys), shep doesn't fit the bill completely. he has power. He's not really her type.

Volatile- unpredictable. She doesn't conform, and she doesn't like Shepard, she likes what Shepard's quest can give her in the way of entertainment. The suicide mission is an extreme vacation for her.

Impersonating her mom and adiding by the ship's rules is such a vacation for her?
Shep lied his way to her apartment he really isn't her type, sure he has power.... BUt dark - thats reaching

In a word: yes. In the conversation with Morinth in Afterlife, she mentions that she's drawn to dark, dangerous places. When you recruit her, the last line in that scene is:
"This is going to fun."
It's clear that Morinth is manipulative. I wouldn't put it past her to use Shepard for her own amusement as she already managed to convince the commander to help her murder her own mother.
It's concerning that some people trust Morinth to care about their character when evidence shows otherwise. After all, Nef trusted Morinth to care about her. Look where that got her.

Modifié par PrimalEden, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:10 .

[RagnarsGirl]

1136342t54 wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...
Have you played with Morinth?
Between the two Samara and Morinth Samara fits the bill of remorseless psychopathic killer.

She INVENTED a code for remorseless killing - the Justicars view of justice- please its just silly
Samara hunts her own daughter - can you say crazy much. Samara had her reasons but Morinth wasborn that way.

Justicars or regular Asari likely thousands of years before Samara became a justicar created the code. You rarely talked to Samara did you? The code tells them to stop injustice. The only times Samara's code could be considered wrong was when she was facingMorinth. To Asari Ardat Yakshi are incredibly dangerous individuals who if start killing people must die.  Justicars are likely ordered to pursue them at any cost but due to the code they have to ignore specific things.  Spectres like Justicars kill innocents to accomplish the mission. Samara's main mission was to stop Ardat Yakshi killing those cops before she loses the information would likely be the same thing a Spectre would do. The only difference is that Spectres operate under council authority so they can go anywhere.

Also Samara wanted to hunt her daughter because that same daughter started killing hundreds of innocent people.

Thank you for the essay, Yes I did speak to Samara - ALL The time. I know what justicars do. They not the Asari's pride and joy.

The AY's have a genetic disease. They kill because the really don't have a choice.

[1136342t54_]

RagnarsGirl wrote...Thank you for the essay, Yes I did speak to Samara - ALL The time. I know what justicars do. They not the Asari's pride and joy.

But you said that Samara invented her own code when that was completely false. It sounded like misinformation.

The AY's have a genetic disease. They kill because the really don't have a choice.

That is also false. AY do not HAVE to kill at all. Seriously reread the codex. The only time they began to get addicted was when they start killing. Before that they aren't addicted but tempted by sex. 

[Asenza]

1136342t54 wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...Thank you for the essay, Yes I did speak to Samara - ALL The time. I know what justicars do. They not the Asari's pride and joy.

But you said that Samara invented her own code when that was completely false. It sounded like misinformation.

The AY's have a genetic disease. They kill because the really don't have a choice.

That is also false. AY do not HAVE to kill at all. Seriously reread the codex. The only time they began to get addicted was when they start killing. Before that they aren't addicted but tempted by sex. 

And Morinth's two sisters had a choice. And they chose....

[D.Kain]

Asenza wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...Thank you for the essay, Yes I did speak to Samara - ALL The time. I know what justicars do. They not the Asari's pride and joy.

But you said that Samara invented her own code when that was completely false. It sounded like misinformation.

The AY's have a genetic disease. They kill because the really don't have a choice.

That is also false. AY do not HAVE to kill at all. Seriously reread the codex. The only time they began to get addicted was when they start killing. Before that they aren't addicted but tempted by sex. 

And Morinth's two sisters had a choice. And they chose....

And they chose self annailation for the society that screwed them. Those are not AY, those are two angels.

[RagnarsGirl]

1136342t54 wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...Thank you for the essay, Yes I did speak to Samara - ALL The time. I know what justicars do. They not the Asari's pride and joy.

But you said that Samara invented her own code when that was completely false. It sounded like misinformation.

The AY's have a genetic disease. They kill because the really don't have a choice.

That is also false. AY do not HAVE to kill at all. Seriously reread the codex. The only time they began to get addicted was when they start killing. Before that they aren't addicted but tempted by sex. 

Of course she didn't invent her OWN code .

I don't have to re-read the codex  - its not right that they kill innocent people, but having a genetic order that can't be helped is not fair. They wouldn't be like this at all if they could help it.

It's a vicious circle. That they were thrust upon GENETICALLY.

[1136342t54_]

RagnarsGirl wrote...

Of course she didn't invent her OWN code .

Then why lie about it?

I don't have to re-read the codex  - its not right that they kill innocent people, but having a genetic order that can't be helped is not fair. They wouldn't be like this at all if they could help it.

They can. They don't meld with people.

It's a vicious circle. That they were thrust upon GENETICALLY.

No Morinth could have fled and not killed anyone. Morinth's sisters never killed anyone. If they were actually forced to kill people then all AY would be killed the second it was found out they automatically wanted to kill people.

[RagnarsGirl]

To be continued...

[AnAccountWithNoName]

RagnarsGirl wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...Thank you for the essay, Yes I did speak to Samara - ALL The time. I know what justicars do. They not the Asari's pride and joy.

But you said that Samara invented her own code when that was completely false. It sounded like misinformation.

The AY's have a genetic disease. They kill because the really don't have a choice.

That is also false. AY do not HAVE to kill at all. Seriously reread the codex. The only time they began to get addicted was when they start killing. Before that they aren't addicted but tempted by sex. 

Of course she didn't invent her OWN code .

I don't have to re-read the codex  - its not right that they kill innocent people, but having a genetic order that can't be helped is not fair. They wouldn't be like this at all if they could help it.

It's a vicious circle. That they were thrust upon GENETICALLY.

You should head over to the 100+ page thread about the Monster.

We have been discusing ALOT about her, so you would fit right in,

[RagnarsGirl]

1136342t54 wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

Of course she didn't invent her OWN code .

Then why lie about it?

I don't have to re-read the codex  - its not right that they kill innocent people, but having a genetic order that can't be helped is not fair. They wouldn't be like this at all if they could help it.

They can. They don't meld with people.

It's a vicious circle. That they were thrust upon GENETICALLY.

No Morinth could have fled and not killed anyone. Morinth's sisters never killed anyone. If they were actually forced to kill people then all AY would be killed the second it was found out they automatically wanted to kill people.

I didn't lie about it...saying she invented her own code was an exageration of words, a play on words..

If you are born with a genetic disease(AY) the by products(killing) of having that disease is not your fault or in your control.

[1136342t54_]

RagnarsGirl wrote...

I didn't lie about it...saying she invented her own code was an exageration of words, a play on words..

If you are born with a genetic disease(AY) the by products(killing) of having that disease is not your fault or in your control.

Yes it is your fault. Look if you have a genetic disease that will kill people if you sleep with them then you don't sleep with them. If you know you have the disease but then sleep with them that means you are knowingly killing them. 

Your reasoning is as stupid as people blaming guns for killing other. Guns don't kill people people kill people. There always someone who pulls the trigger. This AY situation is no different.

[RagnarsGirl]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...Thank you for the essay, Yes I did speak to Samara - ALL The time. I know what justicars do. They not the Asari's pride and joy.

But you said that Samara invented her own code when that was completely false. It sounded like misinformation.

The AY's have a genetic disease. They kill because the really don't have a choice.

That is also false. AY do not HAVE to kill at all. Seriously reread the codex. The only time they began to get addicted was when they start killing. Before that they aren't addicted but tempted by sex. 

Of course she didn't invent her OWN code .

I don't have to re-read the codex  - its not right that they kill innocent people, but having a genetic order that can't be helped is not fair. They wouldn't be like this at all if they could help it.

It's a vicious circle. That they were thrust upon GENETICALLY.

You should head over to the 100+ page thread about the Monster.

We have been discusing ALOT about her, so you would fit right in,

I like defending the underdog.

Always have always will.
Its easy yo pick on Morinth she kills for fun, she has mommy issues with the 'pride of the asari', she's freaky and rebellious.
 
She's an easy target for the haters..

She was born that way.

[RagnarsGirl]

1136342t54 wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

I didn't lie about it...saying she invented her own code was an exageration of words, a play on words..

If you are born with a genetic disease(AY) the by products(killing) of having that disease is not your fault or in your control.

Yes it is your fault. Look if you have a genetic disease that will kill people if you sleep with them then you don't sleep with them. If you know you have the disease but then sleep with them that means you are knowingly killing them. 

Your reasoning is as stupid as people blaming guns for killing other. Guns don't kill people people kill people. There always someone who pulls the trigger. This AY situation is no different.

Don't compare pulling the trigger and killing, to having a genetic disorder and killing. That is stupid resoning. 

If you didn't have the genetic disorder to begin with , you wouldn't even be faced with that scenario. THATS what i'm saying.

[1136342t54_]

RagnarsGirl wrote...

Don't compare pulling the trigger and killing, to having a genetic disorder and killing. That is stupid resoning. 

If you didn't have the genetic disorder to begin with , you wouldn't even be faced with that scenario. THATS what i'm saying.

It is basically the same. You know what I would do in that scenario? Not meld with the person! By not melding I wouldn't be responsible for killing that person. Melding is basically pulling the ****ing trigger. If my child was told that if she had sex with someone she would kill that person then I would expect my daughter not to ever have sex. If she does have sex even told to not do it then she is murdering that person and deserves to go to prison. 

I don't envy her position at all but it would be her fault if she have sex with someon.

Edit: Seriously do you actually believe it isn't Morinth's fault?

Quick scenario say your significant other wants to have sex with you and gives you a deadly STD. Would you blame him/her for your eventual death or the disease?

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 04 octobre 2011 - 03:45 .

[AnAccountWithNoName]

RagnarsGirl wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

I didn't lie about it...saying she invented her own code was an exageration of words, a play on words..

If you are born with a genetic disease(AY) the by products(killing) of having that disease is not your fault or in your control.

Yes it is your fault. Look if you have a genetic disease that will kill people if you sleep with them then you don't sleep with them. If you know you have the disease but then sleep with them that means you are knowingly killing them. 

Your reasoning is as stupid as people blaming guns for killing other. Guns don't kill people people kill people. There always someone who pulls the trigger. This AY situation is no different.

Don't compare pulling the trigger and killing, to having a genetic disorder and killing. That is stupid resoning. 

If you didn't have the genetic disorder to begin with , you wouldn't even be faced with that scenario. THATS what i'm saying.

Actually the Monsters genetic disorder does not MAKE her kill, it just kills someone when she has sex/mind meld with them.  It is only when she kills for the first time via that way, in which she starts an addiction, the more and more she kills, the more she has the urge to kill.  But it was the choices she made which caused her to kill.  Don't get fooled, she choice to be THE MONSTER.

Hypothetically, she  could have lived a non-killing life, even with the genetic disorder, as long as she did not have sex with anyone.

Modifié par AnAccountWithNoName, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:44 .

[Xeranx]

PrimalEden wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

Impersonating her mom and adiding by the ship's rules is such a vacation for her?
Shep lied his way to her apartment he really isn't her type, sure he has power.... BUt dark - thats reaching

In a word: yes. In the conversation with Morinth in Afterlife, she mentions that she's drawn to dark, dangerous places. When you recruit her, the last line in that scene is:
"This is going to fun."
It's clear that Morinth is manipulative. I wouldn't put it past her to use Shepard for her own amusement as she already managed to convince the commander to help her murder her own mother.

Keep in mind that Samara says Morinth would run.  That's corroborated by the fact that Morinth was smuggled off Illium.  Morinth being cornered is the only reason that Samara ends up dead.

Also the quality of being manipulative can show that Morinth hasn't fallen too far from the tree since Samara convinces you to embark on a quest to kill (not capture and detain) her daughter.

It's concerning that some people trust Morinth to care about their character when evidence shows otherwise. After all, Nef trusted Morinth to care about her. Look where that got her.

What evidence?  Shepard is capable of saying that an investigation will be carried out, but an investigation never occurs.  We go from "we'll launch an investigation" to what essentially is entrapment.  Also Nef has no relevance to anything other than she's the "innocent "girl".  That ploy is old and I should have seen through it before.  

Someone mentioned in the other thread that Nef doesn't fit.  It's something I've asked myself before.  If Nef is such a dull girl from Omega how does she gain the attention of Morinth who is "drawn to dark and dangerous places"?  How does she manage to get the code that lets her into the VIP section in the first place despite her nature?  I question the validity of Nef being some lowly creature in a place like Omega that's about as rough as anything, but whatever.  I'd like someone to give me some answers as to why Nef.  

@AnAccountWithNoName

Seriously, you're in a Morinth fan thread.  If you want to keep calling her "the monster" do it in the thread you made when you could have discussed her here.  It's trolling.  It would be like going to the Ashley thread and calling her "the racist" every time you post.  It's unneeded.

Modifié par Xeranx, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:52 .

[RagnarsGirl]

I have a reply(later) - for both of you AnAccountWithNoName and 1136342t54

Watch this space

[1136342t54_]

Yeah I'm likely not going to wait. I'm about to get off.