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[D.Kain]

Actually I think you guys should really get on the 100 page, because this is a Morinth FAN thread, not a debate on how good/bad she is imo.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

Xeranx wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

Impersonating her mom and adiding by the ship's rules is such a vacation for her?
Shep lied his way to her apartment he really isn't her type, sure he has power.... BUt dark - thats reaching

In a word: yes. In the conversation with Morinth in Afterlife, she mentions that she's drawn to dark, dangerous places. When you recruit her, the last line in that scene is:
"This is going to fun."
It's clear that Morinth is manipulative. I wouldn't put it past her to use Shepard for her own amusement as she already managed to convince the commander to help her murder her own mother.

Keep in mind that Samara says Morinth would run.  That's corroborated by the fact that Morinth was smuggled off Illium.  Morinth being cornered is the only reason that Samara ends up dead.

Also the quality of being manipulative can show that Morinth hasn't fallen too far from the tree since Samara convinces you to embark on a quest to kill (not capture and detain) her daughter.

It's concerning that some people trust Morinth to care about their character when evidence shows otherwise. After all, Nef trusted Morinth to care about her. Look where that got her.

What evidence?  Shepard is capable of saying that an investigation will be carried out, but an investigation never occurs.  We go from "we'll launch an investigation" to what essentially is entrapment.  Also Nef has no relevance to anything other than she's the "innocent "girl".  That ploy is old and I should have seen through it before.  

Someone mentioned in the other thread that Nef doesn't fit.  It's something I've asked myself before.  If Nef is such a dull girl from Omega how does she gain the attention of Morinth who is "drawn to dark and dangerous places"?  How does she manage to get the code that lets her into the VIP section in the first place despite her nature?  I question the validity of Nef being some lowly creature in a place like Omega that's about as rough as anything, but whatever.  I'd like someone to give me some answers as to why Nef.  

@AnAccountWithNoName

Seriously, you're in a Morinth fan thread.  If you want to keep calling her "the monster" do it in the thread you made when you could have discussed her here.  It's trolling.  It would be like going to the Ashley thread and calling her "the racist" every time you post.  It's unneeded.

There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.

And its different then Ashley, she isn't really a racist.

Why do you get offended anyway?  Im not nesesarrily putting her down when i call her "the Monster", i am stating who she is.  Im not putting you guys down for being fans of her, so chill out dude:P

Calling her "The Monster" is just another name for who she is, just like if i called her a "Serial killer".  Would you be made if i called her that as well?

Modifié par AnAccountWithNoName, 04 octobre 2011 - 04:30 .

[D.Kain]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.

And its different then Ashley, she isn't really a racist.

Why do you get offended anyway?  Im not nesesarrily putting her down when i call her "the Monster", i am stating who she is.  Im not putting you guys down for being fans of her, so chill out dude:P

Calling her "The Monster" is just another name for who she is, just like if i called her a "Serial killer".  Would you be made if i called her that as well?

Call her whatever you wish. It is what you want to prove here is the real question. Because so far I feel like being Morinth's best friend. 

[AnAccountWithNoName]

D.Kain wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.

And its different then Ashley, she isn't really a racist.

Why do you get offended anyway?  Im not nesesarrily putting her down when i call her "the Monster", i am stating who she is.  Im not putting you guys down for being fans of her, so chill out dude:P

Calling her "The Monster" is just another name for who she is, just like if i called her a "Serial killer".  Would you be made if i called her that as well?

Call her whatever you wish. It is what you want to prove here is the real question. Because so far I feel like being Morinth's best friend. 

Though i disagree with your beliefs D. Kain (as shown in the other thread), at least you don't mind what i call her.  FINALLY there is SOME common ground between us:)

Modifié par AnAccountWithNoName, 04 octobre 2011 - 04:36 .

[D.Kain]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...


Though i disagree with your beliefs D. Kain (as shown in the other thread), at least you don't mind what i call her.  FINALLY there is SOME common ground between us:)

Lol. 

She is not a monster to my Shepard atleast. It means something, don't you think?

Modifié par D.Kain, 04 octobre 2011 - 04:44 .

[PauseforEffect]

Xeranx wrote...


Keep in mind that Samara says Morinth would run.  That's corroborated by the fact that Morinth was smuggled off Illium.  Morinth being cornered is the only reason that Samara ends up dead.

Morinth would run if there was threat to her life. Shepard helping her defeats the need to escape and provides opportunity in the form of a new sucker-I mean ally.

Also the quality of being manipulative can show that Morinth hasn't fallen too far from the tree since Samara convinces you to embark on a quest to kill (not capture and detain) her daughter.

Samara made it clear from the start that she intended to kill Morinth. The need to kill her is to prevent her from murdering others and to avenge the ones who were killed. She has never hidden her intent about it and specifically states why. Admitting that Morinth is manipulative does not make her any more sympathetic when the end result of her intent is a brain-dead corpse.

It's concerning that some people trust Morinth to care about their character when evidence shows otherwise. After all, Nef trusted Morinth to care about her. Look where that got her.

What evidence?  Shepard is capable of saying that an investigation will be carried out, but an investigation never occurs.  We go from "we'll launch an investigation" to what essentially is entrapment.  Also Nef has no relevance to anything other than she's the "innocent "girl".  That ploy is old and I should have seen through it before.  

What more investigation would be needed to convince you? You have Nef's journals and though they are an old ploy to you, it is the modus operandi of Morinth to go after the vulnerable ones.

Someone mentioned in the other thread that Nef doesn't fit.  It's something I've asked myself before.  If Nef is such a dull girl from Omega how does she gain the attention of Morinth who is "drawn to dark and dangerous places"?  How does she manage to get the code that lets her into the VIP section in the first place despite her nature?  I question the validity of Nef being some lowly creature in a place like Omega that's about as rough as anything, but whatever.  I'd like someone to give me some answers as to why Nef.  

Why Nef? She was easy to lure into falling in love with Morinth. Loners often are. Nef was an insecure vulnerable girl that Morinth knew would be easy to pick out from the herd and hardly missed with so few friends to bother looking after her safety.
Do you live in a city? People from all walks of life can be found there. You can come across many things that you wouldn't expect to. But the fact remains that whatever you suspect Nef of, Nef intended no harm to Morinth. She loved her and was willing to do nearly anything for her.
And Nef is dead for trusting Morinth.

@AnAccountWithNoName

Seriously, you're in a Morinth fan thread.  If you want to keep calling her "the monster" do it in the thread you made when you could have discussed her here.  It's trolling.  It would be like going to the Ashley thread and calling her "the racist" every time you post.  It's unneeded.

A character thread is a place to talk about the specified character and Samara's thread has a few who criticize her for her actions. It's only fair that Morinth's actions be called to attention. It is not trolling to have an opinion about a character though I believe you should be backing it up with an explanation.

And here is my reason for why I agree with AnAccountWithNoName for saying Morinth is a monster. She kills people who did not deserve to die. She knows what she does is unacceptable in the amount of trouble she takes to hide her actions and it's proven that she would betray Shepard if given half the chance. There is nothing to redeem her character morally.

[Xeranx]

PrimalEden wrote...

A character thread is a place to talk about the specified character and Samara's thread has a few who criticize her for her actions. It's only fair that Morinth's actions be called to attention. It is not trolling to have an opinion about a character though I believe you should be backing it up with an explanation.

And here is my reason for why I agree with AnAccountWithNoName for saying Morinth is a monster. She kills people who did not deserve to die. She knows what she does is unacceptable in the amount of trouble she takes to hide her actions and it's proven that she would betray Shepard if given half the chance. There is nothing to redeem her character morally.

The idea that Morinth is a monster comes from the stance that she is evil.  There's nothing that illustrates that because her motives are unknown.  Morinth relates to relishing combat and winning.  The one person who "didn't get what he wanted" pursued her.  Any number of reasons can exist for the latter which may include that she's evil, but there's nothing that suggests that she is from Morinth's own mouth.  Everything said about her is heresay.  Nef doesn't fit as a potential victim.  And as I said before, Nef's death at her hands could have been circumstantial if she never said anything, but then she (Morinth) volunteers this information.  Samara never mentions it in her confrontation with Morinth.  So Nef's death only serves as a means to an end and the setup to that end is quite poor anyway.

So I disagree with the assertion that Morinth is a monster if there's nothing that we can see to back it up.  I don't care what other people say because we're not privy to any of it.  Also, Shepard is forcefully put into a situation and made to look like a traitor.  (S)he can or can't fit the term.  It's all supposition until Morinth is fleshed out.  I won't make a comment about her being referred to as a monster again, but know that it's very presumptious based on the fact that her actually being a monster is currently subjective.

ETA: Given the point based on Shepard's conversation with her discussing danger, violence, and the like, one can assume that the people who are most likely to attract Morinth would be mercenaries and people like them who live dangerous lives.  These are people who do questionable things and take incredible risks with odds that would have even the worst gambler decide against making a bet.  Someone like Donovan Hock would be at greater risk than a person like Nef would ever be.

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Modifié par Xeranx, 04 octobre 2011 - 06:33 .

[D.Kain]

Just a random Morinth fan thread question:

What do you guys think Expel 10 sounds like? =)

[RagnarsGirl]

Dear Garrus,

My apologies for ref to you as the least loyal. I was typing angry and shouldnt have taken it out on you. SORRY:( After all we have come a long way together, from the first time you bumped into me on the Citadel steps, our chats about Dr Heart (or Saleon), the time we hunted Sidonis, and of course you know....

Cant wait to see you at the the gun battery.

[RagnarsGirl]

D.Kain wrote...

Just a random Morinth fan thread question:

What do you guys think Expel 10 sounds like? =)

Hey, sorry for leaving. I like Expel 10, i have all their albums...lmao.
Havent you heard, 'Volus bust a nut'

[D.Kain]

RagnarsGirl wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Just a random Morinth fan thread question:

What do you guys think Expel 10 sounds like? =)

Hey, sorry for leaving. I like Expel 10, i have all their albums...lmao.
Havent you heard, 'Volus bust a nut'

Lol. Can you share the albums? I can't find them anywhere. 

[AnAccountWithNoName]

Xeranx wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

A character thread is a place to talk about the specified character and Samara's thread has a few who criticize her for her actions. It's only fair that Morinth's actions be called to attention. It is not trolling to have an opinion about a character though I believe you should be backing it up with an explanation.

And here is my reason for why I agree with AnAccountWithNoName for saying Morinth is a monster. She kills people who did not deserve to die. She knows what she does is unacceptable in the amount of trouble she takes to hide her actions and it's proven that she would betray Shepard if given half the chance. There is nothing to redeem her character morally.

The idea that Morinth is a monster comes from the stance that she is evil.  There's nothing that illustrates that because her motives are unknown. 

Um......Bioware made it pretty clear that the Monster was evil in the game.  I played the game.  I know that for around 400 years, she has been murdering people (that includes innocents).  I take what is shown/said in the game as fact.

But to say she is not evil, is in complete denial.

It's like hearing on the TV that there is some psycopath on the run, who has been butchering many people, even killing after having sex with people, and seems to have no regard for other human life.  Im sure you wouldn't say...."he is not a monster, calling him a psycopath/monster comes from the stance that he is evil, there is nothing that illustrates that his motives are evil".

[Radahldo]

Maybe its better to post this here instesd of 100+ thread:

But one thing i've thought of is what the monastery was like. Leper monastery? 19th century Asylum for epiletics? Her experiences within the monastery arent ever outlined and it could wildly differ depending on what analog the writers wish to use. I dont think it will ever come up in game but im curious to hear what some of you think

[RagnarsGirl]

Xeranx wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

A character thread is a place to talk about the specified character and Samara's thread has a few who criticize her for her actions. It's only fair that Morinth's actions be called to attention. It is not trolling to have an opinion about a character though I believe you should be backing it up with an explanation.

And here is my reason for why I agree with AnAccountWithNoName for saying Morinth is a monster. She kills people who did not deserve to die. She knows what she does is unacceptable in the amount of trouble she takes to hide her actions and it's proven that she would betray Shepard if given half the chance. There is nothing to redeem her character morally.

The idea that Morinth is a monster comes from the stance that she is evil.  There's nothing that illustrates that because her motives are unknown.  Morinth relates to relishing combat and winning.  The one person who "didn't get what he wanted" pursued her.  Any number of reasons can exist for the latter which may include that she's evil, but there's nothing that suggests that she is from Morinth's own mouth.  Everything said about her is heresay.  Nef doesn't fit as a potential victim.  And as I said before, Nef's death at her hands could have been circumstantial if she never said anything, but then she (Morinth) volunteers this information.  Samara never mentions it in her confrontation with Morinth.  So Nef's death only serves as a means to an end and the setup to that end is quite poor anyway.

So I disagree with the assertion that Morinth is a monster if there's nothing that we can see to back it up.  I don't care what other people say because we're not privy to any of it.  Also, Shepard is forcefully put into a situation and made to look like a traitor.  (S)he can or can't fit the term.  It's all supposition until Morinth is fleshed out.  I won't make a comment about her being referred to as a monster again, but know that it's very presumptious based on the fact that her actually being a monster is currently subjective.

ETA: Given the point based on Shepard's conversation with her discussing danger, violence, and the like, one can assume that the people who are most likely to attract Morinth would be mercenaries and people like them who live dangerous lives.  These are people who do questionable things and take incredible risks with odds that would have even the worst gambler decide against making a bet.  Someone like Donovan Hock would be at greater risk than a person like Nef would ever be.

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Morinth isn't a monster, she gets together with nef because she wants to be close to her. She has these deep passionate feelings and wants to share it. She's been searching for 100's of years. How would you feel if everytime you wanted to get close to someone you end up killing them. She doesn't target people for their weakness. She's drawn by whatever draws her.
 Morinth is sad and lonely...Yes... A monster no. 

She's drawn to shep because she/he has a powerful dispositon. She says during their converstion on the ship "If anybody can survive..." then she leaves it hanging. She wants companionship. She's searching for companionship. Living your life knowing your own mother is hunting you is inconceivable. Deep down - I'm sure she was waiting for mum to save her. Not kill her. 

She's not on the ship beacause its a vacation. I keep seeing, "she likes dark dangerous places"... How dangerous and dark can the Normandy get? or are we saying vacation, because the Normandy is a touring vessel and commander shep is actually a tour guide.
She has to personify her mother, just to blend in. 

She loves going to clubs and living the high life. The SM is risky and dangerous but not really her flavour

[RagnarsGirl]

jreezy wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Just a random Morinth fan thread question:

What do you guys think Expel 10 sounds like? =)

Hey, sorry for leaving. I like Expel 10, i have all their albums...lmao.
Havent you heard, 'Volus bust a nut'

....... Yes I went through each of those phases reading that.

Wait till you hear, 'The Enkindlers Drive-by remix'

[RagnarsGirl]

D.Kain wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Just a random Morinth fan thread question:

What do you guys think Expel 10 sounds like? =)

Hey, sorry for leaving. I like Expel 10, i have all their albums...lmao.
Havent you heard, 'Volus bust a nut'

Lol. Can you share the albums? I can't find them anywhere. 

I really love them, dont know if i wanna share. Bought them all

[RagnarsGirl]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

A character thread is a place to talk about the specified character and Samara's thread has a few who criticize her for her actions. It's only fair that Morinth's actions be called to attention. It is not trolling to have an opinion about a character though I believe you should be backing it up with an explanation.

And here is my reason for why I agree with AnAccountWithNoName for saying Morinth is a monster. She kills people who did not deserve to die. She knows what she does is unacceptable in the amount of trouble she takes to hide her actions and it's proven that she would betray Shepard if given half the chance. There is nothing to redeem her character morally.

The idea that Morinth is a monster comes from the stance that she is evil.  There's nothing that illustrates that because her motives are unknown. 

Um......Bioware made it pretty clear that the Monster was evil in the game.  I played the game.  I know that for around 400 years, she has been murdering people (that includes innocents).  I take what is shown/said in the game as fact.

But to say she is not evil, is in complete denial.

It's like hearing on the TV that there is some psycopath on the run, who has been butchering many people, even killing after having sex with people, and seems to have no regard for other human life.  Im sure you wouldn't say...."he is not a monster, calling him a psycopath/monster comes from the stance that he is evil, there is nothing that illustrates that his motives are evil".

Bioware made it pretty clear that they giving you a choice. In fact it doesn't take all that effort to recruit Samara. You have to go through alot more to secure Morinthh's loyalty on the ship.

It's not that black and white, calling her evil. Her partners aren't murdered because she's evil.
Evil has got nothing to do with it.

Some monsters are cuute. Ask boo :-)

Some psycopaths are not evil they just crazy(clinically insane). That's not a point.

[Asenza]

RagnarsGirl wrote...


She's drawn to shep because she/he has a powerful dispositon. She says during their converstion on the ship "If anybody can survive..." then she leaves it hanging. She wants companionship. She's searching for companionship. Living your life knowing your own mother is hunting you is inconceivable. Deep down - I'm sure she was waiting for mum to save her. Not kill her. 

She's not on the ship beacause its a vacation. I keep seeing, "she likes dark dangerous places"... How dangerous and dark can the Normandy get? or are we saying vacation, because the Normandy is a touring vessel and commander shep is actually a tour guide.
She has to personify her mother, just to blend in. 

She loves going to clubs and living the high life. The SM is risky and dangerous but not really her flavour

The Sucide Mission is an extreme vacation. She gets to travel the galaxy on someone else's fuel-tab, and kill things. Lots of things. Tank-bred krogan, husks, collectors, small armies of mercs, etc.

The collector base isn't dark and dangerous? Fighting an entire krogan clan on Tunchanka isn't dangerous? Going to an old Quarian colony with a sun gone supernova isn't dangerous? It is exactly Morinth's flavor because it isn't safe. "I never understood the fascination with safety. Some of us choose differently."

You can't deny any of this when Morinth specifically addresses these points in her dialogue.

Well you can deny it all you like, but that's just blind and senseless devotion to a character that the narrative presents far differently than you choose, despite all evidence, to believe.

And yes, Morinth is evil. Killing people to get high is inconceivable, and unjustifiable. Samara hunting her down to end her four hundred year killing spree of people who hadn't done anything to harm Morinth, is not.

Modifié par Asenza, 04 octobre 2011 - 08:40 .

[Xeranx]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

A character thread is a place to talk about the specified character and Samara's thread has a few who criticize her for her actions. It's only fair that Morinth's actions be called to attention. It is not trolling to have an opinion about a character though I believe you should be backing it up with an explanation.

And here is my reason for why I agree with AnAccountWithNoName for saying Morinth is a monster. She kills people who did not deserve to die. She knows what she does is unacceptable in the amount of trouble she takes to hide her actions and it's proven that she would betray Shepard if given half the chance. There is nothing to redeem her character morally.

The idea that Morinth is a monster comes from the stance that she is evil.  There's nothing that illustrates that because her motives are unknown. 

Um......Bioware made it pretty clear that the Monster was evil in the game.  I played the game.  I know that for around 400 years, she has been murdering people (that includes innocents).  I take what is shown/said in the game as fact.

But to say she is not evil, is in complete denial.

It's like hearing on the TV that there is some psycopath on the run, who has been butchering many people, even killing after having sex with people, and seems to have no regard for other human life.  Im sure you wouldn't say...."he is not a monster, calling him a psycopath/monster comes from the stance that he is evil, there is nothing that illustrates that his motives are evil".

I know for more than 400 years, Samara has been killing/murdering people (that includes innocents regarding Anaya who was established as a clear potential victim).  

Evil is subjective.  One person's villain is another person's hero.  Again I would have to reference Anaya regarding that last statement because she still admired Samara despite the face that she was a hair's breath from ending up dead.  There are a number of other ways to flesh out Morinth.  She could be evil or she could focusing on those who make it their business to hurt people because they lead dangerous lives.  Labelling her as anything is speculation until she's fleshed out.  You can think that what you're given in-game is proof, but it's all heresay.

If I hear about someone killing people on television I can see the aftermath.  I see it in victim's families when they're interviewed.  I'm given details as to what occurred.  We try to get into a lot of detail about our violent offenders often illustrating the acts committed, hinting to how the acts were committed, or seeing the destruction left in their wake.  So I can reasonably make conclusions regarding any suspect or guilty party.

In Morinth's case we only have Nef who, if people want to go by her and Shepard's coversation and establishing her potential victims exist in the spectrum of that conversation, doesn't fit as a victim or even a potential victim.  If Morinth is drawn to dangerous places and dangerous people then people like Nef are in no danger.  So these so-called innocents aren't so innocent to begin with.  

Nef's journal has Nef describing herself as noone special.  She doesn't compare to Shepard in the least.  Omega being what it is and how it's described in the books is rife with dangerous people who could have been singled out by Morinth, but none of them were.  That Nef serves to be a victim in any way is a contrivance to get people to feel Morinth is evil because only someone who is evil will kill an "innocent little girl".  

Modifié par Xeranx, 04 octobre 2011 - 08:42 .

[RagnarsGirl]

jreezy wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

RagnarsGirl wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Just a random Morinth fan thread question:

What do you guys think Expel 10 sounds like? =)

Hey, sorry for leaving. I like Expel 10, i have all their albums...lmao.
Havent you heard, 'Volus bust a nut'

....... Yes I went through each of those phases reading that.

Wait till you hear, 'The Enkindlers Drive-by remix'

Haha! Awesome. Keep it up!

Why don't you think of one. Make me laugh.
I have to deal with "mr serious" aka Asenza

[Asenza]

@ RagnarsGirl,

ms. serious is going to get dinner, so don't miss me too terribly while I go to get it.

Modifié par Asenza, 04 octobre 2011 - 08:51 .