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[who would know]

Xilizhra wrote...

Why is that an issue, anyway? Morinth wants to impersonate her mom so the crew isn't disturbed by her presence, but why should she accomodate them? It was Shepard's call. Why couldn't the crew respect that?

Because Shepard might theoretically kill any of them next.

Why couldn't they all just sit down for lunch and talk about what happened? ie. "I had a choice, and I chose Morinth. She is an amoral succubus, but I've whipped her into submission and loyalty anyway. She will be every bit the asset to the team that her mother was, with the added bonus of not being compelled by a code to hunt me down in the next game."

"Yeah, but-"

"Suck it."

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

who would know wrote...

Always thought Morinth's "genetic destiny" line reeked of desperation and delusion. Never took it seriously.

Who knows. Giving all asari ardat-yakshi traits would be useful. Though we'd want them to be able to breed at least with eachother. I guess.

You're probably right though. Morinth probably convinces herself there is greater meaning to her condition as a way of coping.

You're probably correct, here, although there might be something to it. She is an addict, and why addicts frequently justify themselves with messed-up thought patterns, they aren't necessarily psychotic in that they will believe something that is blatantly false.

Considering the fact that the Asari are culturally commited to a campaign of cultural subversion, intentional or not, a firtile AY would be the logical conclusion to finally snuffing out those species that have allowed themselves to be bred into endangered species status.

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

I always found it sort of amusing how disdainfully Morinth referred to Samara's outfit... I suspect it wasn't actually made for fanservice as such, for reasons Cheez more fully elaborated on in some other post somewhere. Something to do with it being a symbol of maternity or the like.

And I'd be tempted to romance Morinth in an alternate playthrough as well. Of course, I'd do the same for Samara...

Yea, nothing funny going on in the first scene Samara shows up in where the camera pans from her feet all the way up to her large cleavage.

[whywhywhywhy]

In Benezia's defense she was indoctinated.

edit: oh and her symbols of maternity were most impressive.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 23 septembre 2011 - 12:14 .

[who would know]

Benezia's symbols of maternity steamrolled me.

[Raganheart]

Xilizhra wrote...

Given that Ardat-Yakshi are incapable of reproduction, I'm not sure how they could be the genetic destiny of anything...

The Ardat-Yakshi are capable to reproduce with another asari. It would be another pureblood and is frowned upon but it can happen

[Asenza]

Raganheart wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Given that Ardat-Yakshi are incapable of reproduction, I'm not sure how they could be the genetic destiny of anything...

The Ardat-Yakshi are capable to reproduce with another asari. It would be another pureblood and is frowned upon but it can happen

Where did you read that? I don't think other Asari are immune.


@ 2who would know,

"Why couldn't they all just sit down for lunch and talk about what happened? ie. "I had a choice, and I chose Morinth. She is an amoral succubus, but I've whipped her into submission and loyalty anyway. She will be every bit the asset to the team that her mother was, with the added bonus of not being compelled by a code to hunt me down in the next game."

"Yeah, but-"

"Suck it."  "

The thing is, no matter how evil Shepard is, Samara states at the end of the game that she'll go far, far away so she'll never run into Shepard again and be compelled by the Code to kill him/her. In fact, just by not killing him/her imediately, she's already subverting her code for the sake of Shepard, who (if Renegade) has made her do or watch them do extremely dishonorable things. ...

Morinth would more likely than not dissapear. If she lives through the suicide mission, there's no reason to hang around. In fact, I'm not sure why she goes with Shepard at all- I never kept her. Can anyone tell me what was said? How was she whipped into submission and loyalty. Shepard just killed her mother, go on you devil, but why didn't she just say, "Thanks for the help, bye?" instead of joining a suicide mission and putting her precious life in danger?

Modifié par Asenza, 23 septembre 2011 - 01:35 .

[Mykel54]

I always understood Morinth´s "genetic destiny" phrase as meaning that she is way stronger, smarter, and with more biotic power than normal asari. She is clearly superior, much like Miranda is to the average human. She may think that the whole "sex-kill" is a minor inconvenience that could be fixed by gene modification, resulting in a new breed of super-asari.

Modifié par Mykel54, 23 septembre 2011 - 01:43 .

[Xilizhra]

Morinth would more likely than not dissapear. If she lives through the suicide mission, there's no reason to hang around. In fact, I'm not sure why she goes with Shepard at all- I never kept her. Can anyone tell me what was said? How was she whipped into submission and loyalty. Shepard just killed her mother, go on you devil, but why didn't she just say, "Thanks for the help, bye?" instead of joining a suicide mission and putting her precious life in danger?

It goes something like this: "Thank you, Shepard. My mother was as powerful as she was hateful. You helped me, now I'll help you. Let me join your team." And then it goes into a discussion about how she can impersonate Samara.

[jlb524]

Mykel54 wrote...
I always understood Morinth´s "genetic destiny" phrase as meaning that she is way stronger, smarter, and with more biotic power than normal asari. She is clearly superior, much like Miranda is to the average human.

She should be...IIRC, the AY condition is what it is b/c the are freakishly strong in biotics.

Mykel54 wrote...
She may think that the whole "sex-kill" is a minor inconvenience that could be fixed by gene modification, resulting in a new breed of super-asari.

Considering Miranda was created in a tube, I don't know why this can't be cured somehow or discover other means of creating genetic offspring for an AY.  I have no clue why the asari have put seemingly little effort into researching and curing this condition.  Perhaps it is just that rare that it's a non-issue.

Modifié par jlb524, 23 septembre 2011 - 03:04 .

[Xilizhra]

Considering Miranda was created in a tube, I don't know why this can't be cured somehow or other means of creating genetic offspring discovered. I have no clue why the asari have put seemingly little effort into researching and curing this condition. Perhaps it is just that rare that it's a non-issue.

I suspect it would take help outside their species that they're unwilling to seek out.

[jlb524]

Why would they need outside help? The asari should understand it more than anyone else.

Even if they do, the fact that they don't seek outside help tells me that it's not that big of an issue.

[Asenza]

Xilizhra wrote...

Morinth would more likely than not dissapear. If she lives through the suicide mission, there's no reason to hang around. In fact, I'm not sure why she goes with Shepard at all- I never kept her. Can anyone tell me what was said? How was she whipped into submission and loyalty. Shepard just killed her mother, go on you devil, but why didn't she just say, "Thanks for the help, bye?" instead of joining a suicide mission and putting her precious life in danger?

It goes something like this: "Thank you, Shepard. My mother was as powerful as she was hateful. You helped me, now I'll help you. Let me join your team." And then it goes into a discussion about how she can impersonate Samara.

Ah. My thanks. Still raises the question on how she knew you had a team, how she knew you needed help with anything and... ugh, this was such a mess. Whose idea was this? Who implemented it?

I'm still torn... I'm upset that they did such a bad job with Morinth as a character in a story, but I don't like HER character. I'd like to see a character change into something more than a caricature, but I don't want to recruit Morinth on shakey, possible future potential in ME3.

I just can't get behind this line of reasoning: I know she's evil and unrepentant now, and I know I have absolutely no reason to think she can change, wants to change or has any hidden depths, but I can imagine a ton of ways that she could possibly change so maybe in the future, if we all survive, that'll someday, somehow become a reality?

Modifié par Asenza, 23 septembre 2011 - 03:38 .

[Xilizhra]

I just can't get behind this line of reasoning: I know she's evil and unreedemable now, and I know I have absolutely no reason to think she can change or has any hidden depths, but I can imagine a ton of ways that she can change so maybe in the future if we all survive that'll someday become a reality?

I haven't made a final decision yet, and probably won't until ME3 actually comes out. I'm more telling the decision that I'd want to make.

Why would they need outside help? The asari should understand it more than anyone else.

Even if they do, the fact that they don't seek outside help tells me that it's not that big of an issue.

It's a big issue for the Ardat-Yakshi themselves.

[who would know]

One also gets the impression Morinth has some modicum of respect and admiration for Shepard, simply because she can not seduce this person. So she places Shep on a pedestal.

Whether she views her commander as a worthy peer or as her next sexual conquest, we can't really tell. That's just how psycopaths do. But whatever the case may be, she seems to be a bit of a fan.

[Raganheart]

This thread should be one of the best out there and it will continue to rise. Hail Ardat- Yakshi, the genetic destiny of the asari

[thatguy212]

Raganheart wrote...

This thread should be one of the best out there and it will continue to rise. Hail Ardat- Yakshi, the genetic destiny of the asari

If we want this thread to be popular we need some fan art and motivationals pronto

[Raganheart]

Yea but it´s kind of hard to do that when this is a Morinth fan thread and people are trying to come on here and say she is less than par. We need Morinth fans and nothing else lol

[jlb524]

Xilizhra wrote...
It's a big issue for the Ardat-Yakshi themselves.

It is, but it might not be for the asari as a whole.

[Barquiel]

jlb524 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
It's a big issue for the Ardat-Yakshi themselves.

It is, but it might not be for the asari as a whole.

I agree. Elnora thought AY were just a superstition.

[Xilizhra]

Raganheart wrote...

Yea but it´s kind of hard to do that when this is a Morinth fan thread and people are trying to come on here and say she is less than par. We need Morinth fans and nothing else lol

Your dreams of glory will come to fruition soon enough, fear not.

[Labrev]

Xilizhra wrote...

Raganheart wrote...

Yea but it´s kind of hard to do that when this is a Morinth fan thread and people are trying to come on here and say she is less than par. We need Morinth fans and nothing else lol

Your dreams of glory will come to fruition soon enough, fear not.

Indeed. I'm committed to Morinth-love in this thread. I support Morinth in ME3!!!

[PauseforEffect]

jlb524 wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...
I always understood Morinth´s "genetic destiny" phrase as meaning that she is way stronger, smarter, and with more biotic power than normal asari. She is clearly superior, much like Miranda is to the average human.

She should be...IIRC, the AY condition is what it is b/c the are freakishly strong in biotics.

Mykel54 wrote...
She may think that the whole "sex-kill" is a minor inconvenience that could be fixed by gene modification, resulting in a new breed of super-asari.

Considering Miranda was created in a tube, I don't know why this can't be cured somehow or discover other means of creating genetic offspring for an AY.  I have no clue why the asari have put seemingly little effort into researching and curing this condition.  Perhaps it is just that rare that it's a non-issue.

Actually, according to the Codex Ardat-Yakshi are more common than they are made out to be. Morinth is just an extreme example of an AY gone murderously sociopathic although there is a wide spectrum of asari that fall within the AY range. A good deal of them can be taught empathy to compensate for their inability to meld, while it's the most dangerous cases that are executed. Not too different from human society with our mental disorders and criminally insane being treated in a wide range from medication to electroshock therapy. Asari live for centuries; They have all the time in the world to try to figure out why their children are affected so horribly. The lack of a cure implies a level of complexity dealing with it so I don't think it's for lack of effort.