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[PauseforEffect]

And no, Ardat-Yakshi cannot meld with another asari; They are sterile. The Codex is pointing out that the Ardat-Yakshi suffers no ill effects from burning out another sentient during a meld.

[Xeranx]

PrimalEden wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...
I always understood Morinth´s "genetic destiny" phrase as meaning that she is way stronger, smarter, and with more biotic power than normal asari. She is clearly superior, much like Miranda is to the average human.

She should be...IIRC, the AY condition is what it is b/c the are freakishly strong in biotics.

Mykel54 wrote...
She may think that the whole "sex-kill" is a minor inconvenience that could be fixed by gene modification, resulting in a new breed of super-asari.

Considering Miranda was created in a tube, I don't know why this can't be cured somehow or discover other means of creating genetic offspring for an AY.  I have no clue why the asari have put seemingly little effort into researching and curing this condition.  Perhaps it is just that rare that it's a non-issue.

Actually, according to the Codex Ardat-Yakshi are more common than they are made out to be. Morinth is just an extreme example of an AY gone murderously sociopathic although there is a wide spectrum of asari that fall within the AY range. A good deal of them can be taught empathy to compensate for their inability to meld, while it's the most dangerous cases that are executed. Not too different from human society with our mental disorders and criminally insane being treated in a wide range from medication to electroshock therapy. Asari live for centuries; They have all the time in the world to try to figure out why their children are affected so horribly. The lack of a cure implies a level of complexity dealing with it so I don't think it's for lack of effort.

My thinking is the lack of a cure would coincide with Samara's claim that Ardat Yakshi are rare.  The codex entry and the idea that there are Ardat Yakshi monastaries hints at the idea that the Asari aren't bothered to find a cure.  It embodies an out of sight, out of mind idea.

Asari still mate with each other.  Liara being a relatively young example is a testament to the taboo not being so much of a taboo if a respected Benezia engaging in that conduct 106 years ago is still respected by the Asari councilor.  Of course I'm assuming that the councilor knows of this because I don't know how else Anderson and Udina would be able to tell us where to find the young doctor.

Modifié par Xeranx, 24 septembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[thatguy212]

I can't wait for the big plot twist in 3 where it's revealed that Morinth actually is the genetic destiny of the asari, an Ardat-Yakshi that can successfully breed

[Xeranx]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I have five different cures for Morinth, for those who are interested.

Well I did think of a Rachni cure, but it wasn't on the level of what you suggested.  Also your "cures" deal with having Morinth continue what she's doing and not actually trying to find a way to help herself overcome her condition.

Mine entails a near death for Morinth with the Rachni touching her mind and looking for possible obstructions that can be removed.  A risky procedure, but one that could have a great many outcomes:
1) Morinth retains her biotic level strength,
2) Morinth loses her ability to use biotics (tragic end here as it might mean she can't have children of her own anyway),
3) The Rachni's death due to a blow back of biotic energy (either unintentional or intentional), or
4) Morinth dies.

The Thorian type would be good if we could talk the Thorian out of pursuing a fight with us.  I'm sure there was a paragon/renegade choice the first time I played through that area and I think it was removed with a patch.  May be why Feros doesn't get mentioned in the comic.

thatguy212 wrote...

I can't wait for the big plot twist in 3 where it's revealed that Morinth actually is the genetic destiny of the asari, an Ardat-Yakshi that can successfully breed

I can't see that happening.  This is the same group that thought introducing the idea that the Asari messed with our minds so we see what we want to see was a good joke.

Modifié par Xeranx, 24 septembre 2011 - 02:08 .

[PauseforEffect]

Xeranx wrote...

My thinking is the lack of a cure would coincide with Samara's claim that Ardat Yakshi are rare.  The codex entry and the idea that there are Ardat Yakshi monastaries hints at the idea that the Asari aren't bothered to find a cure.  It embodies an out of sight, out of mind idea.

Asari still mate with each other.  Liara being a relatively young example is a testament to the taboo not being so much of a taboo if a respected Benezia engaging in that conduct 106 years ago is still respected by the Asari councilor.  Of course I'm assuming that the councilor knows of this because I don't know how else Anderson and Udina would be able to tell us where to find the young doctor.

I think it's more that the facilities for Ardat-Yakshi are like the buildings meant for severely mentally disturbed humans. More for the safety of the majority as well as for themselves to avoid an incident. Not to ignore them, but to find a place to safely house them while research into treatment for their condition is determined. To a point, they did find a way to help certain AY, but the melding deficit sounds like an extremely intricate thing to treat when it involves the nervous system. There are still human diseases we have treatments for but no cure, so it makes sense that they would have places to keep members who are a potential threat to society.
I do agree with you that being a pureblood, while socially unsavory for asari, is not really a big deal as we've yet to see any pureblood lynchings. It's when it becomes a liability for their children that you understand why they're scoffed at.

[Bigdoser]

I don't think morinith would leave shepard so soon I mean shepard is the only one that escaped her grasp and the fact that her dominationtion did not work on shepard as well. Knowing morinith she has predator instincts and shepard is the best prey she has found since well... ever! shepard is the only one who resisted her. I personally kept her in one of my playthroughs to see what bioware does with her in me3, hopefully she will not just end up as a news report or a email cause that would suck.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:28 .

[KingNothing125]

Bigdoser wrote...

I don't think morinith would leave shepard so soon I mean shepard is the only one that escaped her grasp and the fact that her dominationtion did not work on shepard as well. Knowing morinith she has predator instincts and shepard is the best prey she has found since well... ever! shepard is the only one who resisted her.

That is my view as well. Morinth won't be so quick to abandon ship because, as many people have noted, she likes the thrill of the hunt. Shepard is her prey, and if Morinth is indeed attracted to strength and power, there are few targets stronger and more powerful than Shepard. Consider it to be like Capt. Ahab and Moby Dick, except it's conquest, not vengeance driving Morinth.

If she was smart, she would just walk away, but I don't think she's ready to call it quits now... not with Shep in her sights, not with the predatory instincts and narcotic craving acting against her.

We'll see how BioWare proceeds in ME3, but it would be my preference that they continue this cat & mouse game they have going with Morinth & Shep.

[Sepewrath]

who would know wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

As long as people continue to only be concerned over how women are physically presented in games and don't seem to give two s***s about the character, gaming is never going to move forward.

For someone with Jack as your avatar, you should know that appearances can and should say something about a character before that character even opens her mouth. The shell that contains the character is the first hint as to what it contains.

Actually it doesn't have to, the same way people just saw Vega and started talking about he was going to be some guy from the Jersey Shore show. He could have turned out to be, say a quiet intellectual. What the character looks like, does not denote character. That's people's problems, they think it does, that's why you have votes over hair color.

I remember seeing a show, where there is this short, petite reserved looking girl and then a few minutes later you find out she is bat s*** insane and violent as hell. Yes look and character can go hand in hand like Jack, but they can mutually exclusive. Like the big jacked dude who is a teddy bear, everyones seen that cliche.

[Xilizhra]

Has anyone here even considered that Ardat-Yakshi don't want to be cured? They're predators, they want to kill and to consume and to rip out those memories, that fire, out of the still-breathing victims, to add it to their own minds and bodies. And they choose the best of the kind - most talented, most gifted ones. The flowers of the species. They destroy the best. They're the blight upon the asari, upon the galaxy.

So far, we only know the histories of three Ardat-Yakshi, two of whom don't have any of this and the last of whom had a heavily traumatic past.

Of course, if what I suspect to be the cause of the condition is true, we'd just need to add biotic dampers in the right parts of the brain. It wouldn't be a cure as such, but it'd suppress the symptoms and allow them to lead a more-or-less normal life.

[Sepewrath]

I think if it were something so simple, they would have already done it.

[Xilizhra]

Perhaps. But cultural taboos can lead to all kinds of idiotic decisions.

[Raganheart]

I agree with Xilizhra. When something is so taboo, people like to shy away from the subject or matter. Some people are in denial that such things exist. All in all, there is always a balance, or counter, or solution to everything. There must be a way to fix this, or maybe there is a big secret the asari are hiding behind this genetic disease.

[Xilizhra]

Alas, I'd have more faith in their resolving some kind of Ardat-Yakshi plot if Morinth wasn't an optional replacement for an optional squadmate.

[Raganheart]

Very creative name must be of asari origin

[Xeranx]

You know, I have often times entertained the idea of the Justicar Order being an excuse for Ardat Yakshi to do as they please because they are still able to function despite the no nooky thing. It also allows for them to lock up other Ardat Yakshi and be respected as a result. The order is a secret society with many trials that may result in death(?). Only the strongest make it, the code is structured to have no middle-ground unless forced (doesn't mean a shrewd Justicar can't make things work for herself), and it (the code) is rigidly adhered to. I would bet there are caveats just in case one finds themselves in a situation that doesn't favor them much like what was presented in Samara's case.

It was said that they were once revered as Goddesses. So I'm thinking when the tide turned they wanted to avoid forceful seclusion like their sisters and still be something to be respected and feared...just like deities.

Modifié par Xeranx, 24 septembre 2011 - 05:50 .

[Xilizhra]

An interesting bit of wild mass guessing... I do wonder if any Ardat-Yakshi slipped through?

[Xeranx]

 The implications of an Ardat Yakhi being a Justicar would be huge.

I want to play that game!  Or write it.

Modifié par Xeranx, 24 septembre 2011 - 06:19 .

[Raganheart]

If it turns out to be true that the Ardat-Yakshi are not the genetic destiny, which I hope is not true, I think Shiala will be. All this abnormal biotics and distortion of color has to be a sign of something. Maybe evolution or contamination, but I think it can alter the genetics and reproduction of the asari. If this is true, we might be looking at the birth of the first Asari male.

[WorpeX]

Raganheart wrote...

If it turns out to be true that the Ardat-Yakshi are not the genetic destiny, which I hope is not true, I think Shiala will be. All this abnormal biotics and distortion of color has to be a sign of something. Maybe evolution or contamination, but I think it can alter the genetics and reproduction of the asari. If this is true, we might be looking at the birth of the first Asari male.

Shiala has already melded with Shepard... pretty sure she isn't an Ardat-Yakshi. My Shepard is still alive anyway, dunno about yours.

Modifié par WorpeX, 24 septembre 2011 - 06:31 .

[Raganheart]

[quote]WorpeX wrote...

[quote]Raganheart wrote...

If it turns out to be true that the Ardat-Yakshi are not the genetic destiny, which I hope is not true, I think Shiala will be. All this abnormal biotics and distortion of color has to be a sign of something. Maybe evolution or contamination, but I think it can alter the genetics and reproduction of the asari. If this is true, we might be looking at the birth of the first Asari male.[/quote]

Shiala has already melded with Shepard... pretty sure she isn't an Ardat-Yakshi. My Shepard is still alive anyway, dunno about yours.



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Oh I understand but I just ment about what´s happening to her now. These drastic changes would be nice to see what it turns out to be

[Sepewrath]

Raganheart wrote...

I agree with Xilizhra. When something is so taboo, people like to shy away from the subject or matter. Some people are in denial that such things exist. All in all, there is always a balance, or counter, or solution to everything. There must be a way to fix this, or maybe there is a big secret the asari are hiding behind this genetic disease.

And another reality is not everything can be fixed, there are limitations to what can be done. Until capabilities exceed the problems, there is nothing you can do and in some cases the capabilities will never exist to solve a problem. I agree they have definitely pushed it off in the corner, because if the rest of the galaxy got wind that an Asari might kill you when they touch you; well the Asari will become bigger pariah than the Quarians.

Therefore it would be in their best interest to solve this problem, they simply are incapable and no amount of wishing and hoping will change that. Like I said in my first post, they have to wait for technology to allow genetic manipulation to differentiated cells, That is some heavy science, you might make things a whole lot worse before they get better.

[Zall]

I somewhat admire Morinth, but only as a villainess. She is a standing out character with her own appeal, but I can't stand when people try to justify her behaviour by saying "Oh the poor girl, she is forced to kill due to her disease."

On the topic of genetic destiny, I think Morinth was not lying, but not saying the whole truth either. Probably a thing we will have to worry about in ME3.

[D.Kain]

Xeranx wrote...

 The implications of an Ardat Yakhi being a Justicar would be huge.

I want to play that game!  Or write it.

I had a similar idea about specters. Imagine if Morinth was a specter! I think she would make an awesome one, she poseses all the nescecery. Getting information out of people and frying those that need to be dealt with, and ofcourse her powerful biotics and combat skills. She would also get her danger that she wants and get an exscuse to fry people's brains.