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[Salaya]

One of the things that lots of people miss from Origins is, in fact, the origin stories. Despite the benefits from fixing a main character, many interesting elements are lost when you impose a protagonist. I think it's perfectly possible to make a great, memorable fixed character, but that was not the case of Hawke. Of course, it's my opinion (and the opinion of many other players), but I think the reception was mixed enough for Bioware to rethink their presence in future DLC or the no-officially-announced Dragon Age 3. 

You said Dragon Age Origins was broken in some aspects and needed some serious changes; as sometimes has been stated, many players complained about different things (e.g. slow combat). Now, Hawke is being critized at the same (maybe more) level. You have good reasons to forget about her

Following Legacy style (fix people/press complains about combat and game's flow), you could bring us a DLC with a complete new character. There are many interesting things to do: a silent one like the warden, or a fixed well-known companion or NPC. I would happily pay for a DLC with Varric, Orsino or a Qunari as the main protagonist

And, please, do not bring Hawke again for Dragon Age 3..., it's more or less confirmed that she will appear in the game, but I really hope is a little non-important cameo. One of those that could be avoided, too

[jbrand2002uk]

For me i found the whole Origins thing nothing more than a mask to compensate for being forced to join the wardens then forced to raise an army and then forced to save thedas from the impending doom of the Darkspawn horde which for me made the whole idea of choosing a race then setting whether you were poor,working class or privileged rather pointless plus it meant for me that your PC has no mystery to them since as you know how they lived etc.

As for Hawke all we know at the start is that he has 3 family members was from Lothering and they're being chased by darkspawn but other than that his/her background is a total mystery , I would love to see more of Hawke either as DA2 DLC or as the PC in DA3 since he has so much more scope and potential than the warden does but that my own opinion on the subject

[Romantiq]

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Modifié par JohnEpler, 22 septembre 2011 - 07:30 .

[jbrand2002uk]

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Modifié par JohnEpler, 22 septembre 2011 - 10:41 .

[alex90c]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

For me i found the whole Origins thing nothing more than a mask to compensate for being forced to join the wardens then forced to raise an army and then forced to save thedas from the impending doom of the Darkspawn horde which for me made the whole idea of choosing a race then setting whether you were poor,working class or privileged rather pointless plus it meant for me that your PC has no mystery to them since as you know how they lived etc.

Dragon Age: Origins for me had a much better hook for the storyline. Plus since these Origins were perhaps up to two hours (?) long it meant you were able to establish the kind of relationships your character had with individuals involved. For example, your dalish elf could be interested in Tamlen romantically, and I think he admits he felt the same way when you "meet" him again in the Shriek attack if you go down that way.

DA2 on the other hand, well you were fed little tidbits while the rest remained fairly ambiguous and we couldn't even live it like we could in the beginning of DA:O.

As for Hawke all we know at the start is that he has 3 family members was from Lothering and they're being chased by darkspawn but other than that his/her background is a total mystery , I would love to see more of Hawke either as DA2 DLC or as the PC in DA3 since he has so much more scope and potential than the warden does but that my own opinion on the subject

It's hardly a total mystery. Some of the item packs shed a bit of light, Legacy sheds a bit of light, but it's still fairly ambiguous and the information we have is set in stone whereas in DA:O you could kinda create your own Origin. Think Trian is a bit of a tosser? Well, in your characters backstory they didn't like him and ended up "conspiring" with Bhelen to kill him and then got double-crossed.

What kind of potential does Hawke have anyway? tbh, I think the problem with the Warden is that he/she has too much potential considering all the different stories you could create for them post-Witch Hunt which makes it impossible to pursue that characters' story line any further whereas with Hawke it's just a matter of "he/she always did X, Y, Z, failed to stop the mage rebellion and is now on the run". What next. .. ?

[Lady Luck]

But. . . I like Hawke. More than my Warden(s) actually.

But I do wanna play as a Dalish PC. That would be AWESOME!

[OdanUrr]

I'd rather not play a DA2 DLC that isn't Hawke-related, thank you very much.

[esper]

I am looking forward to a fresh charcter for da3, but da2 dlc should be about Hawke and with Hawke as the controlled character or I aren't buying them.

[Eudaemonium]

OdanUrr wrote...

I'd rather not play a DA2 DLC that isn't Hawke-related, thank you very much.

Similarly.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Origins is wasted time and resources that could be spent much better. For all the Origins stories you could get one or even two big dungeons with story like the Sacred Ashes, characters and possibly even new companions.

It looked nice at first, but its no use to repeat it again - the origin if any is that of your set character(like Hawke, which i personally vastly prefer), or you could simple select it (like "City Elf - you come from City, you are elf, and after a riot you joined Grey Wardens).

And i would like to remind the next guy/girl that writes that this is`t his/her character, he dose`t live his 'origin' or some similar crap - that to have that kind of immersion you would have to live your character from birth and that simply won`t happen.

[Salaya]

I'd rather not play a DA2 DLC that isn't Hawke-related, thank you very much.

I am looking forward to a fresh charcter for da3, but da2 dlc should be about Hawke and with Hawke as the controlled character or I aren't buying them.

Similarly.

Not even with [insert yor favorite companion or NPC here] as a main charcater? Personally, I think that a DLC with Varric as protagonist would be great.

[Apollo Starflare]

I swear they said somewhere that we wouldn't play Hawke as the main protagonist in DA3, but that might be the feverred imaginings of my drink addled mind. Plus even if it's true no doubt it's one of those 'devs say things which aren't officially official' things and could change when you aren't looking...

Don't. Blink.

But yeah, DA2 = Hawke funtimes with all the gang.

[esper]

Salaya wrote...

I'd rather not play a DA2 DLC that isn't Hawke-related, thank you very much.

I am looking forward to a fresh charcter for da3, but da2 dlc should be about Hawke and with Hawke as the controlled character or I aren't buying them.

Similarly.

Not even with [insert yor favorite companion or NPC here] as a main charcater? Personally, I think that a DLC with Varric as protagonist would be great.

No, not even with my favorites npc's as the characters. I never played Leliana's song. As I was not willing to play da:o without some warden, similary I am not willing to play da2 without Hawke.

[Salaya]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

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And i would like to remind the next guy/girl that writes that this is`t his/her character, he dose`t live his 'origin' or some similar crap - that to have that kind of immersion you would have to live your character from birth and that simply won`t happen.

I think that's a bit exaggerated. Getting to the point that you feel as your character is easy archieved with a system as the origins one. I mean, there is people that indeed feel that way; with the Origins warden or with the Baldur's Gate man/woman. Even with the main character of Kotor. 

Modifié par Salaya, 22 septembre 2011 - 07:23 .

[OdanUrr]

Salaya wrote...

Not even with [insert yor favorite companion or NPC here] as a main charcater? Personally, I think that a DLC with Varric as protagonist would be great.

I'm sorry but, for me, companions are just that, companions. If they have a story to tell they can either talk to me about it ingame or mix it in a DLC like Legacy, but an entire DLC devoted to a companion would be, in my opinion, a waste of time and money. The story should be about Hawke, after all s/he is the main protagonist.

@Chaos Lord Malek: A personal background is always welcome in my book. I never did mind playing the DAO origins over and over, in fact, that was part of the attraction. It may not be possible for all of us to connect with those stories, but that is no reason for them not to be included. The lack of a similar prologue for Hawke in DA2 has an even greater impact since your family does, indeed, come along for the ride. In DA2, perhaps even more than in DAO, that prologue should have been a must, and its absence is largely responsible for the lackluster, comical even (it should be a contradiction but somehow it's not), sense of drama in DA2.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 22 septembre 2011 - 07:41 .

[John Epler]

Let's try to avoid the inappropriate comments, such as wishing that a fictional character dies of aids due to unprotected sex. I shouldn't -have- to make these sorts of comments, but I apparently live in a fantasy world where people are respectful and civil.

[Demon Velsper]

JohnEpler wrote...

but I apparently live in a fantasy world where people are respectful and civil.

And this from the guy when asked not to show such a double-standard and drag a topic off-topic responded by being snarky and telling anyone who didn't like it to get off the forums?

[Huntress]

Hawke potential: Is not part of any neutral order, s/he will not have to go to the deeproad with a calling and more importantly in my games all my hawke's are pro-mages and agree with Anders.
Not all My hawke's are mages.

Not sure what bioware/writers have for this character future but they forgot one small thing, this character is not a WARDEN who is part of an Order to shield her/him where and how far can hawke go?..
If Hawke is pro-mage is a good idea to get out of the city but to disapear is going to be hard.. maybe bioware put out another Mirror and send our hawke to look for the warden? Ops plot holes! my warden's are female so none went thru any Mirror..rofl...
/hawke: Not going to happen..
/Morrigan: think again.. I already have what I wanted.

Warden potential: Been part of an Order as a mage s/he can go anywere without the templars breathing at her/his neck, no fear of the templars threating her/him of sending her/him to a tower/prision and lets not forget grey warden's have.. let me say it again, HAVE to go to their calling or they'll infect anyone or any place they stop by with a blight if they ignore it.

IF Our grey warden's (any class) leave the Order they'll be threated as Anders if Mage, an apostate and a danger and it will be haunted down by The warden's, chantry and the templars, If is rogue or warrior it will be probably get haunted by the warden's and a hero of ferelden turning her/his back to such a Honorable Order is not going to be look as a hero for long.
If any of OUR warden's takes part in the mage/templar war the ORDER lose the neutral status and will probably be destroyed. the warden's disappearance could be: WH/Golem's of Amarak or just playing Sherlock Holmes!! ...like my mageWarden who probably is wondering where the heck leliana went..

So tell me who has a better chance to continue with a war thats just starting? A war that can last for years.. the warden will not be looked kindly for deserting the Warden's Order by anyone or will last that long as Humanoid and Hawke?.. s/he is on top of the ball.

[mahony427]

In DA2 DLC's I want to play as Hawk, because... well I'm he/she, he's/she's me. I can't role-play a completely new charracter, especially when I can play as that charr. for only 4 hours or so.

[RagingCyclone]

Huntress wrote...

Hawke potential: Is not part of any neutral order, s/he will not have to go to the deeproad with a calling and more importantly in my games all my hawke's are pro-mages and agree with Anders.
Not all My hawke's are mages.

Not sure what bioware/writers have for this character future but they forgot one small thing, this character is not a WARDEN who is part of an Order to shield her/him where and how far can hawke go?..
If Hawke is pro-mage is a good idea to get out of the city but to disapear is going to be hard.. maybe bioware put out another Mirror and send our hawke to look for the warden? Ops plot holes! my warden's are female so none went thru any Mirror..rofl...
/hawke: Not going to happen..
/Morrigan: think again.. I already have what I wanted.

Warden potential: Been part of an Order as a mage s/he can go anywere without the templars breathing at her/his neck, no fear of the templars threating her/him of sending her/him to a tower/prision and lets not forget grey warden's have.. let me say it again, HAVE to go to their calling or they'll infect anyone or any place they stop by with a blight if they ignore it.

IF Our grey warden's (any class) leave the Order they'll be threated as Anders if Mage, an apostate and a danger and it will be haunted down by The warden's, chantry and the templars, If is rogue or warrior it will be probably get haunted by the warden's and a hero of ferelden turning her/his back to such a Honorable Order is not going to be look as a hero for long.
If any of OUR warden's takes part in the mage/templar war the ORDER lose the neutral status and will probably be destroyed. the warden's disappearance could be: WH/Golem's of Amarak or just playing Sherlock Holmes!! ...like my mageWarden who probably is wondering where the heck leliana went..

So tell me who has a better chance to continue with a war thats just starting? A war that can last for years.. the warden will not be looked kindly for deserting the Warden's Order by anyone or will last that long as Humanoid and Hawke?.. s/he is on top of the ball.

Hawke couldn't stop the war from starting, so how can Hawke end it? The potential is already wasted.

[Bryy_Miller]

Demon Velsper wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

but I apparently live in a fantasy world where people are respectful and civil.

And this from the guy when asked not to show such a double-standard and drag a topic off-topic responded by being snarky and telling anyone who didn't like it to get off the forums?

1) As I recall, the thread that you speak of was full of name calling and other such violations of the site's TOS.

2) You're seriously going to defend an AIDS joke?

[MerinTB]

If there's a vote, I'd vote to happily never hear of Hawke again in any future Dragon Age materials. It's a futile vote, but that'd be my vote.

[John Epler]

Demon Velsper wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

but I apparently live in a fantasy world where people are respectful and civil.

And this from the guy when asked not to show such a double-standard and drag a topic off-topic responded by being snarky and telling anyone who didn't like it to get off the forums?

If you have a problem with the moderation, please feel free to message Chris Priestly.

If you're just going to pop up from time to time to refer to our past interactions sans context in some bizarre effort to paint me in a particular light, then I'd recommend against that tactic. It is not likely to end well.

[Huntress]

esper wrote...

No, not even with my favorites npc's as the characters. I never played Leliana's song. As I was not willing to play da:o without some warden, similary I am not willing to play da2 without Hawke.

Same here, I do not want to play as a companion, The story is about Hawke.

[Salaya]

Huntress wrote...

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Same here, I do not want to play as a companion, The story is about Hawke.

I know what you mean..., but I had the impression that DA2 was more the story of Kirkwall. I never felt that Hawke's story was taken seriously by the game (when it tries..., well, all of us know what happens to leandra ^_^u).

Modifié par Salaya, 22 septembre 2011 - 08:12 .