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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Kathleen321 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

implants or not implants, Shepard has his super sperm. Besides, he can always adopt or getting a child like how Miranda "born".

Maleshep does have supersperm. I'm surprised he doesn't impregnate women just by looking at them.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Of course, and even with non-asari aliens, if only because the "fans" have to be pleased.

Also ironic to see some of the more prominent pro-s/s users talking down the people wanting children, as if only the latter group is obsessed.

[Zakatak757]

Kathleen321 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

implants or not implants, Shepard has his super sperm. Besides, he can always adopt or getting a child like how Miranda "born".

Maleshep does have supersperm. I'm surprised he doesn't impregnate women just by looking at them.

Soren Shepard can make a 'gun' with his hand, point at a woman and say "bang!", and they will climax on the spot.

[Luigitornado]

Why not. The whole "bring him/her back exactly the way s/he was" might be a solid argument for why Shepard2.0 can have kids.

[SkittlesKat96]

Female Shepard - I have no idea...depends on how hardly Shepard hit that planet in ME 2 and how much she detoriated I guess. I bet she still can become pregant. And if she couldn't then fans would outrage.

Male Shepard - Even if he didn't have his parts intact I bet since its the future there is some sort of DNA technology thing that somehow can create more sperm...or something.

[Kathleen321]

wait what Shep's sperm count is low? Are you all just assuming this or did I miss something? I figured he was fertile as eva!

[HairyMadDog1010]

I would say yes, no way T.I.M would spend all thoes credits and not make sure that there is a next generation of kick ass sheps.

I always had a feeling T.I.M took one of femshep's eggs or Msheps sperm and used it to create a supersolder with the other half being Kai Leng/Miranda Lawson.

[Quething]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Of course, and even with non-asari aliens, if only because the "fans" have to be pleased.

Also ironic to see some of the more prominent pro-s/s users talking down the people wanting children, as if only the latter group is obsessed.

As much as a hack job as BioWare did on plausibility in ME2, I don't think they'd go so far across the line as to offer non-asari cross-species children.

In fact, I don't believe they'll ever make any further mention of children at all, beyond the occasional comment-about-the-future type thing such as we saw with Liara in LoTSB. Which is the answer to your second point, actually. Relationships exist in ME games; they're a major feature and a long-term fixture of all BioWare RP. It's quite reasonable to expect that people would care a great deal about making a major feature an equitable one.

Mass Effect games, however, have never included children as any kind of feature, even the most minor one. The first mention of fertility was, again, in LotSB; in the conversation with Liara about little blue children and in Miranda's dossier. Shepard's fertility is unlikely to have any bearing on the plot at any point, or even be incorporated into the game at all. Therefore, it's somewhat surprising that it's a recurring point of speculation with the fanbase, and an interesting indicator of what sorts of things fans prioritize in their approach to their roleplay.

Beyond the point of mere curiosity, I'd personally attribute derisive dismissals of "obsession" to too much time around Talimancers and bad baby!fic, myself.

[Drone223]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I don't get people's obsession over babies in fiction. Write a fanfic and have them adopt a kid, ffs.

I approve of this  

[eltan2481]

I'm a little confused here, and not so sound offensive, but the alot of you guys seem to be totally ok with the fact that a human corpse whose every molecule was permanantly denatured, combusted, and whose macromollecular structure probally destroyed beyond recognition in terms of any functional chemical viability. Yet, there is an issue as to whether that said corpse can now have the ability to reproduce. I'm pretty sure if science progressed to overcome death, it could overcome simple necrosis of an organ or tissue. Tha being said, my LI's reproductive cycle is mediated by parthenogenesis.

[SandTrout]

If Miranda is barren from a relatively minor problem with her uterus, I imagine that femshep isn't having kids the natural way.

I figure Manshep was effectively castrated as well considering how messed up his body was and the jewels are just hanging out all the time.

That said, I think that Cerberus or Shepard should take steps to have some sort of offspring, even if it's in the form of a clone or other modified genome derived from Shepard, for the sole purpose of keeping the genes of a badass in the gene pool.

[eltan2481]

Here is Miranda's Docotor's note:

From: Illium Medical Center, Prenatal Care Department

RE: TEST RESULTS, PATIENT 12-66AD-1

Miss Lawson,

As per your request for privacy, this message will be removed from our database upon confirmation of send integrity.

While we cannot firmly attribute the cause of the benign neoplasm to the irregularity in your genetic makeup, we can confirm that the progressive damage renders you unable to conceive a child.

About 12 percent of human women ages 18-54 have difficulty getting pregnant or staying pregnant according to data obtained from the Institute of Species Reseach (ISR). There are many support groups if you wish to discuss your condition and several options available should you wish to consider the adoption of a child.

If you require further consultation, please contact our communication officer.

Sincerely,

Dr. Banner Grenway

Department Medical Director

Illium Medical Center

External Sponsor LinksRetrieved from "http://masseffect.wi...Miranda_Lawson"

This report basically says that she has a benign tumor which has brough about infertility, thus Shepard's regeneration is not at all comparable to Miranda's condition.

[Ryzaki]

Aye. If Shep did have a tumor that made her infertile they could've simply removed it before bringing her back to life.

Can't do that with Miranda.

[SandTrout]

Ryzaki wrote...

Aye. If Shep did have a tumor that made her infertile they could've simply removed it before bringing her back to life.

Can't do that with Miranda.

Why not? It's a tumor. Even in modern medical science, they are removed more-or-less rutinely.

[Oblivious]

Kathleen321 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

implants or not implants, Shepard has his super sperm. Besides, he can always adopt or getting a child like how Miranda "born".

Maleshep does have supersperm. I'm surprised he doesn't impregnate women just by looking at them.

This is why after their first meeting the Asari counselor only speaks with Shepard through a hologram. Heavy risk, and it isn't worth the prize;)

[Ryzaki]

SandTrout wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Aye. If Shep did have a tumor that made her infertile they could've simply removed it before bringing her back to life.

Can't do that with Miranda.

Why not? It's a tumor. Even in modern medical science, they are removed more-or-less rutinely.

Because not all tumors can be removed safely. They can cause more damage than they already are causing by being removed in some cases. If her tumor could easily be removed her doctor probably would've suggested a surgery.   

Don't really have to worry about that with a corpse. Especially not one being practically built from scratch. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 septembre 2011 - 08:06 .

[Oblivious]

SandTrout wrote...

If Miranda is barren from a relatively minor problem with her uterus, I imagine that femshep isn't having kids the natural way.

I figure Manshep was effectively castrated as well considering how messed up his body was and the jewels are just hanging out all the time.

That said, I think that Cerberus or Shepard should take steps to have some sort of offspring, even if it's in the form of a clone or other modified genome derived from Shepard, for the sole purpose of keeping the genes of a badass in the gene pool.

This is a joke right? Everyone know Shep's jewels are made up of platinium, the hardest substance in the galaxy. Essentially, he has balls of steel and it'd take more than reentry to a planet's atmosphere to make Sheploo a eunuch

[SandTrout]

Oblivious wrote...

This is a joke right? Everyone know Shep's jewels are made up of platinium, the hardest substance in the galaxy. Essentially, he has balls of steel and it'd take more than reentry to a planet's atmosphere to make Sheploo a eunuch

I hadn't considered that.... But I think you just figured out how we can defeat the Reapers!

[Ieldra]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
I don't get people's obsession over babies in fiction. Write a fanfic and have them adopt a kid, ffs.

This. And Shepard can also grow his/her own child. Like Mr. Lawson. It's not like we're still in 20th century.

Exactly. Miranda could do it, too. Which would be an interesting way around her infertility and an undeniable sign that she's made peace with her origins.

@Oblivious:
The hardest substance in the galaxy is diamond. Get your facts straight

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 septembre 2011 - 08:36 .

[SandTrout]

Still need a surrogate mother to provide the womb for any test-tube babies. Not a huge hurdle for the savior of the galaxy, I figure, but one more complication, none the less.

[Ieldra]

SandTrout wrote...
Still need a surrogate mother to provide the womb for any test-tube babies. Not a huge hurdle for the savior of the galaxy, I figure, but one more complication, none the less.

You don't suppose they have an artificial uterus in the late 22nd century? Miranda herself could be tank-bred, just with a normal growing rate and being removed from it after the normal carrying period instead of the forced growth of Grunt (which was probably made possible by Collector technology). 

[SandTrout]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You don't suppose they have an artificial uterus in the late 22nd century? Miranda herself could be tank-bred, just with a normal growing rate and being removed from it after the normal carrying period instead of the forced growth of Grunt (which was probably made possible by Collector technology). 

I don't know one way or the other. I would actually guess that even if using a tank is an option, it might still be better/cheaper to use a real USDA approved natural uterus.

The point of Grunt does imply that the necessary technology is probably available though. I hadn't thought about that.

[Ieldra]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
In Miranda's case, I'm thinking her dad made her that way in order to control her in that way. No father wants their daughter getting pregnent by some moron, so I'm pretty sure he took it to the extreme and wanted her to grow her own baby in a tank too.

In that case she'd have been infertile from the start, not just because of progressive damage from a benign tumor.

They actually have recent research looking into getting a woman's ovaries to produce eggs to help women who are completely born without or have some other medical issue going on that ruins eggs. I can't find the article I read right at this moment, but I know I read about it when I had dicussed the same thing with a friend of mine.  In the future it could be possible if they're just merely considering the idea now.

I never tire of linking this article written by one Mr.Lawson. I believe the proposed technology will be available in the ME universe.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 septembre 2011 - 09:00 .